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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:42 am

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In post 422, Kmd4390 wrote:ROFL, for the record I'm not town reading yos and bbt. I'm trying to sort them. Can you tell me why you think I'm bussing always innocent? I'm wondering if you honestly believe that.

what this question? i don't like the way you worded it. i didn't say you were town reading them, i said the scummy stuff you were spewing fence sitting about them made me want to town read both of them. i think you continue to look scummy, you are voting someone else i expect to flip scum, ergo bussing. what exactly are you trying to get out of me here except more hot air? you're trying to get me to say something you can attack. "honestly."
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:44 am

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Day 1, Votecount 8, Ammended
AlwaysInnocent (5): Kmd4390, Lucky2u, Aneninen, roflcopter, Lowell

BlueBloodedToffee (1): Yosarian2
Lucky2u (1): Albert B. Rampage
texcat (1): Kop
Yosarian2 (1): BlueBloodedToffee


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texcat, shaddowez, AlwaysInnocent, acryon


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or to no lynch.

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: Saturday January 9, 2016 11:30 AM  New York Time. (GMT-5)
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: (expired on 2016-01-09 11:30:00)


Spoiler: Incorrect VC
Day 1, Votecount 8
AlwaysInnocent (4): Lucky2u, Aneninen, roflcopter, Lowell

acryon (1): Kmd4390
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Yosarian2
Lucky2u (1): Albert B. Rampage
texcat (1): Kop
Yosarian2 (1): BlueBloodedToffee


Not Voting (4):
texcat, shaddowez, AlwaysInnocent, acryon


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline
: Saturday January 9, 2016 11:30 AM  New York Time. (GMT-5)
Countdown to deadline
: (expired on 2016-01-09 11:30:00)


Kmd4390 is V/LA until Wednesday


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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:51 am

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In post 448, roflcopter wrote:i just find it curious that you're doggedly sticking to a vote you seem to know isn't going anywhere and still haven't voted for ai despite now apparently completing the evolutionary process of your read on him from town to scum


"Doggedly sticking to a vote"? You make it sound like I've been voting for him forever. I only voted BTT yesterday, and a number of people haven't even posted since I made my case against him.

Anyway, not sure what to think of AI at the moment, honestly. Very mixed feelings there.

If the BBT wagon really isn't going anywhere (and, again, it's way too early to say that) my second choice at the moment would be Lowell.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:54 am

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you at least understand why consistently placing other priorities ahead of ai makes you look like ai's scumbuddy to those of us scumreading ai, right?
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:35 am

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In post 453, roflcopter wrote:you at least understand why consistently placing other priorities ahead of ai makes you look like ai's scumbuddy to those of us scumreading ai, right?


Eh. I was defending him earlier, and while he's moved down several notches he's still not in my top scum reads, so sure, if he flips scum I'm sure you'll use that as an argument against me.

It really did not make sense for you to try to lynch me today based on your suspicion of AI instead of just trying to lynch AI, though, but whatever.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:59 am

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In post 375, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Because BBT and Yosarian are both doing pro-town things. They are probably wrong, but still doing pro-town things.


I don't think BBT's total focus on Yos is pro-town. Yos, at least, is commenting on others.

In post 443, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I think the scum can be found in this pool:

{Kmd, Lowell, Kop, Lucky} and possibly {Aneninen}.


All of the scum? Does this mean you are town reading the rest of us?
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:48 am

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Having been away from the game for a few days, and looking at ISO's and re-reading stuff, I'm actually not a fan of the AI wagon at all. He seems to be being forthright with answering people and explaining things, as well as proactively asking questions and looks to be scum hunting. There was a lot of back and forth early on, but I don't think a lot of what he was saying would be something that scum would come out with.

My two top scumreads at this point are Yos and Lowell.

Yos is being extremely defensive, and while claiming to scum hunt doesn't appear to actually be providing many reasons for his reads, other than using meta in a few circumstances. He's outright said that a lot of the people he's town reading are doing things that aren't exclusive to town (though I don't think anything is exclusive to town, so I'm not sure why that's even brought up). He's making lists and doing other things to look busy, without actually doing much. The vote park on Lucky and the interaction about not moving his vote after Lucky starts posting is giving me weird vibes, even though I do agree with Yos' point that just showing up and posting doesn't mandate moving the vote. I do, however, like Yos' rebuttal to BBT's accusations in , and some of his reasonings don't sound scum-motivated.

Lowell has come in and not said much in any of his posts. He accuses me of trying too hard for placing a vote, but can't back it up, then continues to push for my wagon. He throws out a few reads with one-line reasons, barely interacts with anybody, and completely ignores any and all questions directed at him.

While I have more to go off for Yos being scum, he's also got things going for him that may be town. Lowell doesn't give me any sort of town read at this point.

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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:52 am

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In post 455, texcat wrote:
In post 375, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Because BBT and Yosarian are both doing pro-town things. They are probably wrong, but still doing pro-town things.


I don't think BBT's total focus on Yos is pro-town. Yos, at least, is commenting on others.

In post 443, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I think the scum can be found in this pool:

{Kmd, Lowell, Kop, Lucky} and possibly {Aneninen}.


All of the scum? Does this mean you are town reading the rest of us?
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:54 am

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I kind of agree with Shaddowez there, so I will be joining the Lowell wagon.

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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:59 pm

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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:52 pm

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In post 449, Kmd4390 wrote:Can you show me a game where bbt played this way as town? I feel like I remember him being less of a presence as town but maybe I'm wrong.

I already posted some links before.

In post 452, Yosarian2 wrote:If the BBT wagon really isn't going anywhere (and, again, it's way too early to say that) my second choice at the moment would be Lowell.

Hmm-hmm-e-hmm...
And there have already been two players voting for him since this post...
(By the way, I don't see anything particularly scummy about Lowell.)

In post 458, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I kind of agree with Shaddowez there, so I will be joining the Lowell wagon.
VOTE: Lowell

And you still haven't answered my question.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:29 pm

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The thing I don't understand that Lowell mentioned, is how rofl is a strong town read, ahead of anybody else. I mean I've seen the posts from rofl and I wouldn't class that confidence to be a strong town read, I'm reading them from town POV but I wouldn't put it high up on my list.

Just had a read through his ISO, and some points that stand out to me, makes me want to replace Lucky and replace him with Lowell into my scum reads.

His second post into the thread, he claimed BBT was town but took several posts to actually state why. Early game tells me, especially with there not being a lot of interaction or serious posts, it is hard to say someone is town with such confidence that Lowell did, on this occasion. I have never town read someone so early, even if some of there early posting shows town points.

He appears to bandwagon three wagons for no reason of his own, and hasn't really added to why he is on them, apart from pressure he claims on the AI wagon, who he came around to being town. What has changed since post #184 to post #437 where you are now voting for him? Claiming 'pressure'. You've barely mentioned him in between those posts. And my opinion, this is striking me because the wind seems to be going in AI's direction, your joining it.

The other point I disagree with, is when you joined the YOS wagon, you claimed 'the best way to avoid a lynch is to stop talking'.

If you don't want to be lynched, the best way is to prove your worth, to show why you shouldn't be lynched. And if someone is put under pressure by questions, deliberately ignoring them, is going to get you lynched. It might just be me that thinks that, but I think keeping quiet, isn't the key to avoid being lynched.

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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:58 am

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In post 460, Aneninen wrote:
In post 449, Kmd4390 wrote:
In post 452, Yosarian2 wrote:If the BBT wagon really isn't going anywhere (and, again, it's way too early to say that) my second choice at the moment would be Lowell.

Hmm-hmm-e-hmm...
And there have already been two players voting for him since this post...
(By the way, I don't see anything particularly scummy about Lowell.)


Yeah, and I like that wagon. For now though I am keeping my vote on BBT. I notice he's gone strangely quiet since his wagon on me collapsed, and I really want to see what he does next.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:18 am

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In post 460, Aneninen wrote:
In post 452, Yosarian2 wrote:If the BBT wagon really isn't going anywhere (and, again, it's way too early to say that) my second choice at the moment would be Lowell.

Hmm-hmm-e-hmm...
And there have already been two players voting for him since this post...
(By the way, I don't see anything particularly scummy about Lowell.)

I don't understand what the point of your ponderance here is. Is there some significance to the fact that Yos (along with other, btw) have made comments about Lowell being scummy before myself and AI voting for him?
Do you see anything townish about Lowell? What is it about Lucky that you find scummier?

Kop
- Do you have thoughts on anything else that's going on with the game? You've been lurking an awful lot, and it seems awful convenient that when you come back to the thread you focus on and jump onto the wagon that had just started building.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:20 am

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Day 1, Votecount 9, Ammended
AlwaysInnocent (5): Kmd4390, Lucky2u, Aneninen, roflcopter, Lowell

Lowell (3): shaddowez, AlwaysInnocent, Kop
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Yosarian2
Lucky2u (1): Albert B. Rampage
Yosarian2 (1): BlueBloodedToffee

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Spoiler: Incorrect VC
Day 1, Votecount 9
AlwaysInnocent (4): Lucky2u, Aneninen, roflcopter, Lowell

Lowell (3): shaddowez, AlwaysInnocent, Kop
acryon (1): Kmd4390
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Yosarian2
Lucky2u (1): Albert B. Rampage
Yosarian2 (1): BlueBloodedToffee


Not Voting (2):
texcat, acryon


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or to no lynch.

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Kmd4390 is V/LA until Wednesday


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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:21 am

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Albert B. Rampage and Lucky2u are being prodded.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:35 am

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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:54 am

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In post 458, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I kind of agree with Shaddowez there, so I will be joining the Lowell wagon.

VOTE: Lowell


Pretty easy to agree when someone is offering an alternative to yourself, isn't it?

shaddowz, kop, and AI on my wagon? Oof, I must be doing something right.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:39 am

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In post 214, Lowell wrote:
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Anyway, turns out the key to avoid lynch is to stop talking. That certainly won't backfire.

VOTE: yos

I'm a fan of 209, and acryon as town.


In post 461, Kop wrote:
The other point I disagree with, is when you joined the YOS wagon, you claimed 'the best way to avoid a lynch is to stop talking'.

If you don't want to be lynched, the best way is to prove your worth, to show why you shouldn't be lynched. And if someone is put under pressure by questions, deliberately ignoring them, is going to get you lynched. It might just be me that thinks that, but I think keeping quiet, isn't the key to avoid being lynched.


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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:45 am

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Prodge. I'll be here tonight/tomorrow and I'm not happy to see the Yos wagon has evaporated.
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:07 am

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Right now, my two main suspects are Lowell, and AlwaysInnocent, Lucky2you lingering in third.

I did have a quick glance over the Yos Vs BBT, I'd struggle to figure out who would be scum in that situation, because it feels town vs town. But I will go over the whole thing again in a few hours, once I've done all my bits and bobs.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:32 am

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alwaysinnocent, always following onto bandwagons, never leading
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:34 am

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V/LA holidays

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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:37 am

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toffee the yos wagon is dead time for you to get on the ai wagon
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:12 pm

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VOTE: Kop

Misrep of Lowell's post. Third on the bandwagon. :giggle:

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