Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #894 (isolation #200) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:33 am

In post 893, Firebringer wrote:I mean, you have high chance of being town based off events, but somethings you have said have looked odd.

Like what?

Meh, w/e your playstyle just looks odd to me I guess.

I am just a very weird guy. I also have a knack for saying the wrong thing. Sometimes I fail to consider how other people will receive my posts, seeing my own understanding of what I said as self-evident for everyone.

Anyway. Enough about me. Let's talk about you. How are you not scum?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #896 (isolation #201) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:46 am

In post 895, Firebringer wrote:
In post 894, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Anyway. Enough about me. Let's talk about you. How are you not scum?

Nothing specifically.

I could probably formulate more reasons for me being scum than me not being if I were to being objective about it.

But in true Firebringer fashion Ill give you a good classic snarky response

"My role pm says Town"

Could you give a read list or something? If you are town, then it is important that we can read you, so that we do not have to waste any lynch on you. It also helps PoE.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #901 (isolation #202) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:31 am

In post 898, Firebringer wrote:
In post 896, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Could you give a read list or something? If you are town, then it is important that we can read you, so that we do not have to waste any lynch on you. It also helps PoE.

I think I have been open with my thoughts so far. If I haven't mentioned a player as being town I am reading them as null or scum.

Do you want a formal list or something?

Yes.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #903 (isolation #203) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:38 am

In post 897, texcat wrote:
In post 876, AlwaysInnocent wrote:What do we have on Texcat, though?

She seemed to deflect from Wanderer.

An insincere sounding congratulatory post.

Emphasizing consistency, for voting Errant again. Not sure why we need to know.

But how is this a solid case?

Insincere?? I assure you that it was not insincere. I'm not sure why you're characterizing it that way.

It just seems like a typical scummy thing to do.

I can see how you think I was emphasizing consistency, but what I was feeling was more like, Please can we lynch Errant already??

Oh.

"Not providing much reason"? As opposed to you, who provides readlists with no reasons?

To be fair, Ranger has been giving plenty of reasons lately.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #904 (isolation #204) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:41 am

In post 902, Firebringer wrote:I guess it would go something like:

Ranger
ErrantParabola
You
Then Everyone Else.

Could you put some more effort into reading other people? This is not really a complete list. It does not even include half of the people. Townreading people is easier than scumreading people.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #905 (isolation #205) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:42 am

Firebringer, I find it odd that you townread both Ranger and Errant, and rank them higher than me.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #908 (isolation #206) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:50 am

In post 907, Firebringer wrote:
In post 905, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Firebringer, I find it odd that you townread both Ranger and Errant, and rank them higher than me.

Well you are only town because situationally you look townie.
I get more natural feeling that Ranger and Errant are town than you.

Your posts give me weird vibes but that seems possibly your playstyle.
You're a odd duck is what I am saying.

I don't get the "scummy vibes". Why do Ranger and Errant feel more natural to you? I just don't get it.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #910 (isolation #207) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:13 am

UNVOTE: Flubber

Reconsidering a few things.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #911 (isolation #208) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:16 am

Here is my current read list.

Read List D4 V1

Squirrelly

: actively scumhunting, so town

Ranger

: the evil mastermind; it is easy to be deceived by her, she knows how to be convincing as scum (but there are some tells)

Yakko

: seems lurking and opportunistic, so scum-leaning

Firebringer

: fence-town, don't make me regret this

Flubbernugget

: possible scum buddy with Albert B... but uncertain

Errantparabola

: considers Ranger town... weird, but seemed to be actively scumhunting

AlwaysInnocent

: killed two scum and three bears with his own hands => confirmed town

ZZZX

: lots of empty promises

TheDominator37

: null, might genuinely be a bad player

Texcat

: deflected from Wanderer and overall suspicious behavior; her focus on Errant is strange

While I am scumreading Ranger, she may not be wrong about texcat after all. However, I need more information to be sure.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #912 (isolation #209) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:17 am

VOTE: Ranger

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #913 (isolation #210) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:20 am

Don't get me wrong. I like you as a player, Ranger. Your posts are always intelligent. I just don't trust you.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #924 (isolation #211) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:55 am

6 scum out of 16 players is not a huge leap.

Consider the setup Jungle Republic, which has 5 scum out of 12 players. How do they balance it? By only allowing one nightkill per night. In Jungle Republic this is done by only granting Werewolves the power to nightkill, and give the Mafia an extra Mafia Goon. It may seem like the Town is very weak, but since the scum factions are also competing with each other, the Town is in a better position than you would think based on the number of scum alone.

Now consider this game. Until now only

one

person was killed each night. We know that there are (at least) two scum factions, so apparently something is keeping the nightkills minimal. It is not Titus, since Titus was killed on N2 and did not seem to influence the number of nightkills on N3. Recall that Pisskop said that this game had

unique nightkill mechanics

, which may have very well something to do with the "lack" of nightkills.

It may not even be a stretch to think that this game has 7 scum, but I would not go that far... yet.

NO WAY that this game has only 4 scum, though.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #925 (isolation #212) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:57 am

In post 922, Errantparabola wrote:I assume that since I'm buddying ranger, you think ranger is town. So at least you have a few things right.
why did you feel the need to point out that you were voting me 3 days in a row?

You can't seriously be

that

confident about Ranger being town.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #926 (isolation #213) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:58 am

Fuck this. I am retracting my slight townread of Errant.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #930 (isolation #214) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:05 am

In post 914, Errantparabola wrote:AI, what do you think about my response on your thoughts on my towncase?

Can you be more specific?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #931 (isolation #215) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:10 am

Suppose

that Ranger is town, then Errant may very well be scum.

I don't like the relationship between the two; one scumreading the other, one townreading the other acting like "What's the problem with this situation? I don't understand! Everything is cool!

". The problem is that for some reason one is overly confident of the other, but the other distrusts them. Something is not right here.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #932 (isolation #216) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:17 am

If Ranger is scum, and Errant is town, then Errant seems to be irrationally confident about Ranger, who, according to Errant, was quite capable of deceiving them. And now it's almost like it's a fact that they are town. No. I'm not buying this at all.

Errant is scum whether Ranger is scum or not.

UNVOTE: Ranger

VOTE: Errant

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #934 (isolation #217) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:43 am

Then Ranger's logic is perhaps bad as well? Or do you believe she has good reasons to distrust you?

AlwaysInnocent · Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:01 am

In post 936, hi im Yakko wrote:I may have lost interest in this game.

Town
AI
Squirrel
Ranger - town because posts are towny :p
Errant
Fire
Zzzzx
Dominator
Texcat
Flubber
Scum

Ranger earlier posts were investigative and still are imo.

Why are you only commenting on Ranger?

AlwaysInnocent · Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:09 am

Flubber, you're not seriously going to argue that he faked it? Please start with plausible scenarios.

AlwaysInnocent · Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:15 am

In post 943, Flubbernugget wrote:It's not that hard to fake anger when you consistently make one line posts

Where will this bring us? Suppose it is true? Then what?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #947 (isolation #221) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:09 pm

In post 946, Firebringer wrote:You said was for 'no reason' but I can think of a reason she would do it as scum.

Why would she do it?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #949 (isolation #222) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:00 pm

In post 948, Firebringer wrote:
In post 947, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Why would she do it?

Maybe I am misremembering events but I was townreading Wanderer at some point. Or at least pushing against her, was that around when she dropped it?

No idea.

Either you are townreading her or you are pushing for her lynch...

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #951 (isolation #223) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:03 pm

In post 950, Firebringer wrote:Bad wording, I mean pushing against the train on her.

Oh, yeah. You defended her pretty hard.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #952 (isolation #224) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:04 pm

I guess Squirrelly was right after all.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #954 (isolation #225) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:12 pm

Why did you defend Wanderer when she was in danger of being lynched?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #958 (isolation #226) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:28 pm

In post 956, TheDominator37 wrote:
In post 932, AlwaysInnocent wrote:If Ranger is scum, and Errant is town, then Errant seems to be irrationally confident about Ranger, who, according to Errant, was quite capable of deceiving them. And now it's almost like it's a fact that they are town. No. I'm not buying this at all.

Errant is scum whether Ranger is scum or not.

UNVOTE: Ranger

VOTE: Errant

Don't worry about relation to others based on your reads. That leads to
the dark side of the force
mislynches

Associations are important, though.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #959 (isolation #227) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:29 pm

In post 957, TheDominator37 wrote:Almost like you are forcing a town read for yourself

Yes, I am. What are you going to do about it?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #961 (isolation #228) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:34 pm

In post 960, TheDominator37 wrote:
In post 929, Errantparabola wrote:
If you havent explained already, could you ecplain your scumread on Ranger?

@NeverInnocent
can you answer this question please?

I have already explained that.

PEdit 1: Not until we have a flip they aren't

We've had two scum flips, so yeah. Associations are important.

PEdit 2: Lynch you

At least you would be doing something that people can read you by.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #979 (isolation #229) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:10 am

In post 978, Squirrelly wrote:10 hours to go and the biggest wagon is L-3.

Good point.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #981 (isolation #230) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:30 am

UNVOTE: Errant

VOTE: Flubber

L-2

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #983 (isolation #231) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:56 am

Ranger might be right about texcat, however that does not prove that Ranger is town.

Also, Ranger, how do you know that the vampires only have 2 scum?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #984 (isolation #232) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:07 am

I think I know what the unique kill mechanism is.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #990 (isolation #233) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:32 am

Dominator, suddenly you have an opinion?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #991 (isolation #234) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:36 am

If Flubber flips scum, then Dominator is his scum buddy.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #992 (isolation #235) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:46 am

UNVOTE: Flubber

Wait.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #993 (isolation #236) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:46 am

I need to check something first.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #994 (isolation #237) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:51 am

Dominator, why should we not lynch Flubber? Give a very good reason.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #997 (isolation #238) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:48 am

In post 996, Kaboose wrote:Hi! I'm reading now.

Interested to hear your thoughts.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #999 (isolation #239) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:32 am

In post 998, TheDominator37 wrote:I told you. I was lurking.

Why not lynch Flubber? Why do you suddenly have an opinion about him?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:58 am

Time is running out, so you better be quick. If you have something to say, then say it.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:59 am

Deadline is 22DEC15, 0 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:40 am

In post 1002, Kaboose wrote:Can Dominator be lynched today or nah?

Probably not. Not enough time. What are your thoughts?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:57 am

In post 1004, Kaboose wrote:D1 wagon Dominator was on a town person.
D2 wagon Dominator was on a mafia.
D3 wagon he wasn't on a wagon and a WW was killed.

Makes sense, but could be coincidence.

Makes sense in my head that the D3 self hammer was to keep Dominator from doing it, although there were others who could, there's no telling if they would. D3 self hammer from scum puts a tougher time for all of us to really read the wagon.

Yes. I thought about that, too. But it does not necessarily say anything about Dominator.

It essentially comes down to gut, but there's no way I can read a full 40 pages and just have anything magical. I need to get in the game and have current conversations.

It will come.

I might come under scrutiny for that, but I'm ready to fight it if it happens.

What are your thoughts on other players? Flubber, for example?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:15 am

Nope. He has been extremely passive.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:15 am

Don't worry about Dominator for now. We will get him later. You have made some valid points, but we don't have time for this.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:16 am

Deadline is 22DEC15, 0 days, 3 hours, 13 minutes

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:22 am

3 hours means that 6 people need to vote for the same person. We don't have time for this. You can't expect that many people to switch in such a short time.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:23 am

Also,

if

Dominator happens to be town, then I will see this as deflection from Flubber by Kaboose (ZZZX).

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:29 am

Currently not voting.

By starting another wagon, you are distributing the votes, and encouraging other people to do so as well, making a lynch less likely.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:30 am

Flubber just needed one more vote (if you assumed that I would hammer).

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:48 am

So either Kaboose, Ranger, Errant or Dominator needs to vote for Flubber. Dominator probably doesn't want to lynch his scum buddy, so... any volunteers?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:50 am

Dominator, why not lynch Flubber?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:54 am

Yakko, why switch? If we distribute our votes, we risk a No Lynch.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:02 pm

Deadline is 22DEC15, 0 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:04 pm

I don't know.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:10 pm

That... sort of makes sense, I guess.

So, other players... let's hear from you. Time is running out.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:21 pm

Texcat is

guaranteed

scum, you say?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:22 pm

What the hell. You are assuming that the scum faction (to which Texcat supposedly belongs) is of size 2.

How do you know that?

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:23 pm

whereas lynching texcat almost guarantees eliminating a faction.

It doesn't guarantee that at all.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:26 pm

Or both factions have a goon.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:26 pm

But how is Texcat guaranteed scum? If this is guaranteed, then I will be lynching her within seconds.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:29 pm

Yeah,

if

Texcat is scum, then I don't care what she is and I just want to get her lynched.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:31 pm

Even if I vote for Texcat now, she would still need two more votes. And you are already voting for her.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:50 pm

One more vote needed. Then I will hammer. Just wanting to check everyone before they are voting.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:50 pm

I mean before the lynch occurs.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:50 pm

I mean before the lynch occurs.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:55 pm

Deadline is 22DEC15, 0 days, 1 hour, 35 minutes

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:07 pm

Fine.

VOTE: Texcat

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:11 pm

If Texcat flips scum, then Errant

may

be her scum buddy.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:21 pm

Deadline is 22DEC15, 0 days, 1 hour, 9 minutes

1 hour left...

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:23 pm

Sure.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:40 pm

Less than 50 minutes. Anyone?!

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:59 pm

Obviously.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:00 pm

Quite a scummy statement, though.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:05 pm

Finally.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:11 pm

In post 1073, texcat wrote:Don't forget to lynch Errant!

Don't worry. Regardless of your alignment, I will be suspicious of Errant.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:11 pm

But I think that it is likely that you are scum.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:27 pm

In post 1077, Kaboose wrote:Okay that basketball game took longer than I thought it would. Do we have a hammer?

No.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:27 pm

In post 1077, Kaboose wrote:Okay that basketball game took longer than I thought it would. Do we have a hammer?

Vote please.

AlwaysInnocent · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:31 pm

Nah. She was already hammered. I just wanted to see what you would do.

AlwaysInnocent · Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:16 pm

I don't know why people had doubts about Squirrelly. I flipped Mason, and I had Squirrelly consistently as town, as something entirely self-evident. You simply had to look at my reads to figure out that Squirrelly had to be the other Mason.

AlwaysInnocent · Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:19 pm

In post 1272, Errantparabola wrote:Well, when you put it that way... Yeah, there was not a lot of chance for a crosskill.

This has been severely underestimated, I believe.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:22 am

Anyway, good play, Errant. I already thought you were framing Kaboose. But you did make me doubt my suspicions at least a few times.

Yakko was obviously scum when he placed his vote on Firebringer and accused him of being scum because scum didn't quickhammer. Unfortunately Firebringer voted without consensus, so scum got to quickhammer. That's stupid, Firebringer. You should have known better. But oh well.

Gg.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:40 am

In post 1298, Persivul wrote:Regarding yakko: I personally always agree to have a scum thread opened, but I think the scum should get to make that choice. If one or more of them want to limit knowledge of their scum strategy to as few people as possible, that's their right and IMO it should be respected.

I would announce it before the game that the thread will be made public. People can learn from it. It is also a lot of fun to see scum talk about killing you. On my own site (when it was still live), private threads were always made public without exception. I'm a fan of transparency.

Just find a new strategy for your next scum-game. Be creative. Although it will probably not even be necessary because people care less than you think. I have read a few pages and that was enough for me. Still fun though.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:50 am

People have always been able to read my scum strategies. It never seemed to help them much, though. Probably because every game is different. I can't think of any time my posts in old private threads were used against me. When people are meta-reading you, they usually rely on your public posts rather than your private posts as scum.

AlwaysInnocent · Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:51 am

(Not this site, of course. I don't think it matters that much.)