Mini 1755: Game Over

[Dierfire]

VOTE COUNT 2.07

Performer (5): Boonskiies, droog, pisskop, AxleGreaser, UpTooLate
UpTooLate (3): Keyser Söze, Ircher, Golden Robster
Heat (1): Performer
Ircher (1): Heat


No Vote (1): massive

With 11 players living it takes 6/11 votes to lynch.

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(expired on 2016-02-02 08:00:00)

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[AxleGreaser]

@Heat
@UTL.

at this time that is not even a discussion for you to argue against.

Is the discussion about our associatives with Ras?

Um yep,
but people have started voting UTL in numbers, so I guess there is now something to discuss or argue against.

[AxleGreaser]

In the game where he was town and I was scum

@UTL

Which game pls. ta.

[AxleGreaser]

905 also sat really weirdly with me for some reason.

me too. I also put no meat on the bones.

Spoiler: posts + maybe meat

This post calls out performer for sheeping AI's basically unexplained read, which is from my point of view inexplicably convincing to performer.

After looking over AI’s posts about scumreading UTL,

You mean when he kept throwing around "opportunistic" and never once explained why?

@UTL if you aren't town again in this game...that would be very sad O _o

The first is valid statement, the second feels non responsive.
It certainly does not draw out any substantive discussion, and reminds me more of RVS banter.
I would say it goes as far as subtly impeding useful discussion.

[AxleGreaser]

I'm telling you man, it's the gut. THE GUT. Sometimes, you've just got to roll with your instinct and my instincts are telling me he's town.

That is nice and all, and i have had GUT reads myself,
your town read of performer was however first claimed to be based on two other things that tuned out not to be so.
As i described in 1028

and your only answer for why you first thought it was other things but now realize it is only based on gut is

I'm telling you man, it's the gut. THE GUT.

[AxleGreaser]

Observing that a wagon is at L-1
Axles potentially postumous Lynch list.

Spoiler: list

Assuming 'things' is normal. (3 scum)

First place {

Performer Golden Robster

}
Yep id lynch both, would not take much to make me flip who was top, but currently voting Performer.

Third Place {

Heat UTL

}
Order of those two is really close and as id lynch the other two first (9+/10) deciding the distinction doesn't matter to me much.

If the game still wasn't over having lynched then, the one flipped scum. That might change stuff a lot.

Then Id be left with whichever of {

Keyser Söze Massive Pisskop Droog Boons Ircher

} are still alive.
Well I could be alive too I suppose, but if I am I expect I will FOS myself and reread my PM.
but anyway,

if you got to that point and the game wasn't over youd be lynching people I at least put in my town pile.
Even my "scum" read of UTL and heat is based on thinking I cant realistically be two for two in my top two.
So if you lynch all four and dont flip two more scum, god help you then, because I am betting I wont be able to.

and yeah OMG I actually town read boon a bit and based on previous stalking that, for me, feels weird.

[AxleGreaser]

905 also sat really weirdly with me for some reason.

me too. I also put no meat on the bones.

Spoiler: posts + maybe meat

This post calls out performer for sheeping AI's basically unexplained read, which is from my point of view inexplicably convincing to performer.

After looking over AI’s posts about scumreading UTL,

You mean when he kept throwing around "opportunistic" and never once explained why?

@UTL if you aren't town again in this game...that would be very sad O _o

The first is valid statement, the second feels non responsive.
It certainly does not draw out any substantive discussion, and reminds me more of RVS banter.
I would say it goes as far as subtly impeding useful discussion.

I am a going to go further....

After looking over AI’s posts about scumreading UTL,

You mean when he kept throwing around "opportunistic" and never once explained why?

I don't think AI would be killed over these reads and his ambit claims of being "opportunistic".
Continuing to push baseless (empty of reasoning) reads would eventually have got AI run up as a lynch candidate.

IMO
AI was either just a blue snipe,
or more likely
a blue snipe now being leveraged expediently by using his reads as weak justification for a cheap scum read.
TLDR: The exchange 899 902, makes me lean scum(-1) on performer and town(+1) on UTL.

[AxleGreaser]

Rhubarb Rhubarb Rhubarb

perhaps I ought go back to saying this now.

Rhubarb Rhubarb Rhubarb

[UpTooLate]

In the game where he was town and I was scum

@UTL

Which game pls. ta.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64392

I will address everything else tomorrow, when I'm sober.

Have a fantastic night!

[AxleGreaser]

In the game where he was town and I was scum

@UTL

Which game pls. ta.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64392

I will address everything else tomorrow, when I'm sober.

Have a fantastic night!

@Performer

do you have anything to say about the differences between that game and this?

[Golden Robster]

I'm telling you man, it's the gut. THE GUT. Sometimes, you've just got to roll with your instinct and my instincts are telling me he's town.

That is nice and all, and i have had GUT reads myself,
your town read of performer was however first claimed to be based on two other things that tuned out not to be so.
As i described in 1028

and your only answer for why you first thought it was other things but now realize it is only based on gut is

I'm telling you man, it's the gut. THE GUT.

Your mistaking my honesty for scumminess. Honestly, when I came out with what I said, I was being truthful. You can complain all you want about how I don't have anything to back what I'm saying, which is WHY IM TELLING YOU. It's in the gut.

Fine lynch thou art Performer. If he flips scum, you can lynch me next. If he flips town, then you should bloody well review your reads.

Rant over.

[AxleGreaser]

Fine lynch thou art Performer. If he flips scum, you can lynch me next. If he flips town, then you should bloody well review your reads.

I always review my reads and I am only one vote.
And btw I dont know whether you not wanting to vote scum(performer) for the varying reasons you have or not wanting to vote a towny(performer), for the varying reasons looks worse. As my problem is your reasoning does not look genuine.

I tried reviewing your reads, and although I found this

Again, I dislike UTL and Heat for reasons stated before.

Id didnt really find those reasons >stated before<.

you had said this

Heat is pushing for a lynch on AI which I find interesting in the regard that UTL is also hinting at the fact that AI might be lean scum.

I need to look at the interaction between Heat and UTL because frankly, they might be scum partners.

and as r reason to think people are partners that pretty weird.(forced)

Spoiler: more partners?

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent

vote" AI

You keep not engaging. We'll see who wins

AI wagon is #happening

oops too many.

and this weird is in the sense of reaching and straining to make it fit.

[Golden Robster]

Look, I'm telling you it's my gut.

Please continue to read me as scum. If your unsatisfied then by all means lynch Performer.

You'd think if me and him were scum buddies, I'd be a teensy wee bit less obvious eh?

[AxleGreaser]

Look, I'm telling you it's my gut.

Please continue to read me as scum.

Ok.

If your unsatisfied then by all means lynch Performer.

You'd think if me and him were scum buddies, I'd be a teensy wee bit less obvious eh?

That is indeed a problem. Although it did take fair amount of digging to uncover that your town read reasoning kept changing and was only THE GUT, there is the difference between how obvious it is now and how obvious it was when you first proposed your town read.
It is also teensy bit obvious for white knighting.
It is also a teensy bit empty (its reasons keep changing) for a thought about town read.

To scummy to be be scum, to obvious to be scum, is bad. I try not to do bad things.

My best understanding (unless i am wrong on my stronger town reads) is the game is tad rich in town reads so finding people to mislynch is hard.
Scums back is against the wall. Losing another team member is not viable.

They ought be playing in do or die mode. You appear to fit the bill.

[Golden Robster]

That is indeed a problem.

What's the problem?

and was only THE GUT,

y'know there comes a point when it becomes too obvious

It is also teensy bit obvious for white knighting.

Exactly. So why are you still trying to lynch me?

It is also a teensy bit empty (its reasons keep changing) for a thought about town read.

How does it keep changing? I started with my honest thoughts, and then proceeded to say it was more to do with my gut.

My best understanding (unless i am wrong on my stronger town reads) is the game is tad rich in town reads so finding people to mislynch is hard.
Scums back is against the wall. Losing another team member is not viable.

By all means sir, lynch Performer.

They ought be playing in do or die mode. You appear to fit the bill.

Are you joking me? We've only lynched one scum and you think there "backs are against the wall."

Honestly, I'm not going to argue with you about this.

[Ircher]

@Axle
I really don't think Golden is scum.

Right now, my lynching order would be Performer-->UTL-->Heat.

I personally think both Performer and UTL are scum, but I don't want to hammer Performer yet, so that's why I'm voting UTL (as I said before, it was about 75% PoE and 25% Sheping, but I think the numbers are more 60% PoE, 30% Sheep, and 10% my own opinion)

[droog]

I need to sub out
Hospital
Apoloh

[Dierfire]

I need to sub out
Hospital
Apoloh

I hope that you have a swift recovery.

[Dierfire]

RadiantCowbells replaces droog

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

where's my pie.

[pisskop]

No. You get back on this wagon.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm subbing into this game with my only stake in the Performer wagon being that I know that she was town and I tried to push her for the entirety of 1740.

It's going to take a little more than that to make me vote her.

[pisskop]

Him.

psure performer is a he.


Now listen here, Im sherrif of this here town, and I also jus' happen to be the champion of this here wagon. Get. Back. On. or give me reasons Im wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

I haven't even read anything outside of this page yet.

Hold your horses.

[AxleGreaser]

Exactly. So why are you still trying to lynch me?

because after performer you are the most likely person to be scum.

To scummy to be be scum, to obvious to be scum, is bad. I try not to do bad things.