Blitz 24: Great Idea Mafia

[lane0168]

Actually. Scum rc wouldn't kill me.

If it's not l-1 then I'm mistaken. I was thinking he was l-2 already

[GuiltyLion]

also I mean there's just so many ways RC's plan could go wrong:

- no cop in this game
- RC is roleblocked and can't give fruit
- RC gives fruit to the player who dies
- RC gives fruit to scum who lies about not receiving it
- RC is NK'd
- cop is NK'd
- cop is redirected
- cop is insane due to Alien psychotrooper

like, it's just not worth obsessing over.

[lane0168]

I agree completely. It was a terrible claim and why attempt to get the cop investigation day 1? It just seems like a terrible gambit.

Rc isn't dumb. And he likes Gambits. He knows all the things that are wrong with the whole thing including there not even being a cop. Yet he freaks out and claims we're scummy for pointing it all out. Which is why I think he's full of bs

[Xtoxm]

The plan doesn't make sense, so why would he do it as town? I don't like what he's doing, it feels like a scum gambit.

[lane0168]

He says he gets cleared plus doc'd and it's an easy win. He Knows its unlikely there's both if even 1. Like I said, he's not dumb...

VOTE: rc for 2 fake Gambits gone wrong

[RadiantCowbells]

What other motivation do you have to try to encourage a potential clear to not be cleared?

Personally I'd rather have a cop - and you're making a really big deal about something we might not even have in the game - find scum than clear one person, and especially one person who's more concerned with personal survival than actually scum hunting.

My personal survival feeds back into my ability to continue to scumhunt anyway.

Just cop me protective on me easy win.

This post. I've already pointed out that we might not have a cop in this game, and that I feel investigating RC because he wants us to is at best a useless plan and at worst falling for a scum trap. But RC jumps on me for discrediting the idea of investigating him, but is fine with Persivul doing the same thing.

Also, my scumplay is a lot better than this but I've learned not to use that argument after Searching with Dragons mafia.

check out Newbie 1667 for some dope GL scum game

Because Persivul is noted for being a mediocre town player.

You are not.

[Xtoxm]

VOTE: RC

[RadiantCowbells]

If there's a cop they should out.

Otherwise I'm just going to selfvote and quit wasting my time with this stupid game.

[lilith2013]

Sigh.

UNVOTE:

[lilith2013]

He says he gets cleared plus doc'd and it's an easy win. He Knows its unlikely there's both if even 1. Like I said, he's not dumb...

VOTE: rc for 2 fake Gambits gone wrong

He's not dumb. So do you really think he wouldn't have thought the gambit through to its conclusion if he were scum?? Are you even considering this from all angles? Like you're just confirmation biasing your opinion right now.

[Xtoxm]

If you're going to unvote, then vote somewhere else. We have 8 hours.

[lilith2013]

The plan doesn't make sense, so why would he do it as town? I don't like what he's doing, it feels like a scum gambit.

VOTE: RC

Also this wagon hopping is shady af. You only notice this as soon as RC's wagon picks up?

[lilith2013]

Okay, sure.

VOTE: xtoxm

[Persivul]

If there's a cop they should out.

WTF?

VOTE: Radiant

[lilith2013]

I can't even tell if I don't want RC lynched because I'm townreading him or because I just want to be contrary but that wagon is gross.

[Xtoxm]

No, I moved because the wagon picked up. I've not liked what's he's done all game.

[Persivul]

Lilith, what do you think of RC saying a cop should out?

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like we rolled something really stupid with a 3 person scumteam that's just piling onto me.

Lynch everyone on my wagon for a free win.

[lane0168]

He says he gets cleared plus doc'd and it's an easy win. He Knows its unlikely there's both if even 1. Like I said, he's not dumb...

VOTE: rc for 2 fake Gambits gone wrong

He's not dumb. So do you really think he wouldn't have thought the gambit through to its conclusion if he were scum?? Are you even considering this from all angles? Like you're just confirmation biasing your opinion right now.

He's not dumb. So why do you think he's town, that tried a fake survivor gambit, and then it's trying to control a cop. And then assuming there's even a cop or doc in the first place. And then trying to get the cop to claim for absolutely no reason? He's not dumb. Hes playing dumb.

How do you explain his play since you agree he's not dumb? Do you think he's town playing smartly?

[Persivul]

Actually. Scum rc wouldn't kill me.

If it's not l-1 then I'm mistaken. I was thinking he was l-2 already

It was, but then I switched to itlepip. Before RC asked for a cop to claim itlepip and GL were my lynchables. RC's own claims didn't bother me that much as he frequently plays outside the box, but I see no town motivation in asking for a cop to claim D1, so now he's in there too.

[lilith2013]

No, I moved because the wagon picked up. I've not liked what's he's done all game.

So why didn't you mention it before??

Lilith, what do you think of RC saying a cop should out?

(And this kind of applies to lane's question too)
It was a stupid thing to say but if you consider the general self-centeredness of the things he says (sorry RC) I don't think it's that terrible. Like I think he genuinely believes a cop should claim so he can survive to D2 which is pretty ridiculous and I would very much advise the cop if we have one from doing so. But again, considering the things RC says I don't think it's staggeringly scummy.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're twisting me attempting to get a slot mod cleared as scummy.
It's not about it being me, it's about it being the right fucking play to clear as many people as we can.
And yes, a cpo should out because that means my role is confirmable WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S A REALLY FUCKING GOOD REASON NOT TO LYNCH ME TODAY.
This wagon is awful and if you're not scum you should see it lane.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're forgetting, Lilith, that with 4 potential scumteams and a claimed miller that a cop isn't actually a particularly useful role in this setup.
Only mafia would be particularly inclined to night kill a cop, and the main reason they'd do that at this point is to try to get me lynched.

[lilith2013]

He says he gets cleared plus doc'd and it's an easy win. He Knows its unlikely there's both if even 1. Like I said, he's not dumb...

VOTE: rc for 2 fake Gambits gone wrong

He's not dumb. So do you really think he wouldn't have thought the gambit through to its conclusion if he were scum?? Are you even considering this from all angles? Like you're just confirmation biasing your opinion right now.

He's not dumb. So why do you think he's town, that tried a fake survivor gambit, and then it's trying to control a cop. And then assuming there's even a cop or doc in the first place. And then trying to get the cop to claim for absolutely no reason? He's not dumb. Hes playing dumb.

How do you explain his play since you agree he's not dumb? Do you think he's town playing smartly?

I have to think about this some more, but I really do not like the wagon that just happened, regardless of RC's alignment. Both speed and general ick factor are clanging my alarm bells.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm still deciding who had the worst vote.