NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

[SnarkySnowman]

got bored

[Cobblerfone]

Hey. I've read the first five pages or so. Here're my preliminary reads in no particular order.

Scumreads:
Blackstar
pisskop slot (not with Almost50)
Xkfyu
GoldenRobster
Almost50 (not with pisskop)

townreads:
Nero Cain

Interesting, you think Almost and the post about voting himself was scum indicative?

Xkfyu? Please point out why.

Town read on Nero. The only thing he said was post #68. How has that allowed you to form a definite town read of him?

Once you catchup, I want a reads list from you.

I got a scumread from Almost50 in his first post for his policy-lynch-lurker comment. I read it as a poorly executed attempt at getting town to think a certain way. There's no reason to post it as town as posting it just alerts the scum that you're searching for lurkers. His posts I've read so far also seem engineered to create WIFOM.

I think xkfyu was just gut, I might've gotten mixed up: see Nero.

Pisskop slot is for 106: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7579403
It gave me bad vibes and seemed opportunistic, which is why I have the slot as a scumread but not with Almost50.

I think you were a scumread for just gut. My scumreads-list is really more of a note to myself to watch for more as I continue my archive-binge at this point.

Blackstar is a gutread, but I understand why it is: I saw a video the other day about how things to look out for when you think people are lying is to look to see the proportion to which they refer to themselves, because when lying humans like to refer to the situation in an outside perspective, for lack of better terms at the moment. How Blackstar's posts are structured seem a lot more "you" oriented than "I" oriented to me, hence the gut-read. 73: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7579084 being a particularly egregious example with what I read as distancing himself from/covering for Blue Rose (notice he said "people" instead of refering to Blue Rose by name.)

Nero, I could've sworn there was an interaction with Blue Rose that made me sure he couldn't be scum but I think I got mixed up with some other player. I'm going to go look for which player that actually was.

In the meantime

Vote: Blackstar

[BlackStar]

got bored

... Can you try anyway?

[RadiantCowbells]

In my past game with SS he was a complete lurksack as town until forced to claim.

He was a strong PR though so ???

not sure how to read him but Bebop was a scumread so i'm ehhh.

[Cobblerfone]

Can't find the post. The town read might've been from the last few pages? The desperation feels like frustrated town. I really need to keep notes.

In other news as I read more I'm reading Almost50 more as confused newbie town.

[Fraggernaut]

Vote Count 3.9

SnarkySnowman (5) - Masquerade, PeregrineV, Blackstar, Some Random Mafia Player, Golden Robster
Blackstar (4) - Zulfy, Nero Cain, Almost50, Cobblerfone
Nero Cain (2) - pisskop, SnarkySnowman
Golden Robster (1) - Xkfyu

Not Voting (1) - RadiantCowbells

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is February, 17th, 2016 at 6:50 AM EST.

[Fraggernaut]

Zulfy has been prodded.

[Almost50]

@Fragger: Cobbler voted BS in 2051 (last line)

Fixed

[PeregrineV]

Hey. I've read the first five pages or so. Here're my preliminary reads in no particular order.

Scumreads:
Blackstar
pisskop slot (not with Almost50)
Xkfyu
GoldenRobster
Almost50 (not with pisskop)

townreads:
Nero Cain

Interesting, you think Almost and the post about voting himself was scum indicative?

Xkfyu? Please point out why.

Town read on Nero. The only thing he said was post #68. How has that allowed you to form a definite town read of him?

Once you catchup, I want a reads list from you.

I got a scumread from Almost50 in his first post for his policy-lynch-lurker comment. I read it as a poorly executed attempt at getting town to think a certain way. There's no reason to post it as town as posting it just alerts the scum that you're searching for lurkers. His posts I've read so far also seem engineered to create WIFOM.

I think xkfyu was just gut, I might've gotten mixed up: see Nero.

Pisskop slot is for 106: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7579403
It gave me bad vibes and seemed opportunistic, which is why I have the slot as a scumread but not with Almost50.

I think you were a scumread for just gut. My scumreads-list is really more of a note to myself to watch for more as I continue my archive-binge at this point.

Blackstar is a gutread, but I understand why it is: I saw a video the other day about how things to look out for when you think people are lying is to look to see the proportion to which they refer to themselves, because when lying humans like to refer to the situation in an outside perspective, for lack of better terms at the moment. How Blackstar's posts are structured seem a lot more "you" oriented than "I" oriented to me, hence the gut-read. 73: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7579084 being a particularly egregious example with what I read as distancing himself from/covering for Blue Rose (notice he said "people" instead of refering to Blue Rose by name.)

Nero, I could've sworn there was an interaction with Blue Rose that made me sure he couldn't be scum but I think I got mixed up with some other player. I'm going to go look for which player that actually was.

In the meantime

Vote: Blackstar

I look forward to your own interactions with Blackstar helping you to refine your read on him.

[BlackStar]

Yeah, update the VC

[pisskop]

I think both wagons are kind of enh, tbh

[PeregrineV]

I think both wagons are kind of enh, tbh

I'm listening. Tell me why either is town.

[pisskop]

Posting. I dont see scum logic from either. Their actions arent all that hidden, and Im having some trouble getting alterior motives from them.

Ive had a townread on SS for the better part of the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't like the Snowman wagon.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: SRMP

Can we just lynch this please?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: SRMP

Can we just lynch this please?

So you would rather lynch some random mafia player than a current wagon?

[Golden Robster]

Further analysis

Looking at the mislynch on Ricastle, I see no sign of SS on it but that doesn't necessarily mean he's immune to being scum.

Ricastle

(9) -

TheBlueRose

, Radiant Cowbells, Almost50, pisskop,

Masquerade

, Zulfy,

Some Random Mafia Player

, Ricastle,

Blackstar

pisskop (3)- Nero Cain, BebopAReBopRhubarbPie, Keyser Söze
Almost50 (2) - Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman,
TheBlueRose (1) - Firebringer
SnarkySnowman (1) - Golden Robster
Blackstar (1) - JarJarDrinks

SnarkySnowman (5) -

Masquerade

, PeregrineV,

Blackstar

,

Some Random Mafia Player

, Golden Robster
Blackstar (3) - Zulfy, Nero Cain, Almost50
Nero Cain (2) - pisskop, SnarkySnowman
Golden Robster (1) - Xkfyu

This is all written before this SEER claim business. Will analyze all that in a bit.

Xkfyu

- Town. Already stated how I liked his "Fuck it" vote for me. And I see plenty of good scumhunting.

Keysor

- Town. As he pointed out, he's seeing the same things from people that I am. He's also trying to get people to expound on their posts which lines up w/ my read of his town meta

IAI

- Townlean. I like his questioning of Almost and Keysor.

Ricastle

- Townlean. Only a few posts but I like em. No fluff and pretty confrontational. Need more though

Robster

- null. Nothing really scummy from Robster. Maybe a slight townlean but not enough content to make a real read.

Snarky

- null. Basically the same as Robster but leaning slightly scum instead cause his posts have zero content.

Zulfy

- null. Again, No content so no real read.

Nero

- null. I like his point about bebop. I don't like his attitude about Ika. He's never pro-town regardless of alignment yet he's also easy to read?

SilverWolf

- null. Started off scummy (106 feels very opportunistic even though I pretty much agree w/ the points). Then started townreading him cause I like his analysis of people defending ika. Not really crazy about his Zulf vote now.

BeBop

- scumlean. I dont like his soft meta defense of Almost. I've stated why. Also I agree w/ nero that his RVS unvote comment was very LAMIST

BlackStar

- scumlean. I think there's a chance that 88 was a scumslip. Though that would make Almost town which is the not the way I'm leaning

ika

- scumlean. His townread on silver doesn't feel very genuine. He's kinda just throwing votes around w/ no real reasoning. He mostly ignored everything w/ Almost. Just lots of fluff in his posts.

Almost50

- scum. I've posted plenty about Almost so not gonna rehash it all here.

Bluerose

- scum.
- Point about ignoring my wagon stands.
- Him using the word "either" in that post points to him not really believing in his reads.
- He's townreading me for pressuring Almost who he is also townreading.
- He says keysors posts don't really look like scumhunting even though keysor and I are posting similar stuff and he's townreading me.
- He questions the Ika/Silver "sorting party" which seems good on the surface. But then they give him a non-answer and he pretty much backs off
Basically his posts seem designed to not get on anyone's bad side

Looking at JarJar and his reads list, I'm going to use this as a point of reference. He was spot on with Bluerose. Does that mean that Almost might also be scum?

If Snarky flips town, then I'd definitely be looking at SRMF.

He's been on the Ricastle mislynch wagon with Masquerade and there both currently voting Snarky. Same with Blackstar.

[Golden Robster]

I'm having second thoughts about the lynch on SS but even if it results in him flipping town, I'd want a lynch on SRMF the next day.

[RadiantCowbells]

Golden you fucking vote SRMP now, not later, or I vote you.

[Golden Robster]

I'm unsure about this. On one hand, I want a lynch on Snarky purely for information.

On the other, if SS flips town, it'd be a big blow. We need to lynch a scum right here, right now.

UNVOTE: SnarkySnowman

VOTE: SRMP

I'm pretty sure there is a scum in SRMP/Masquerade/Blackstar just from the wagon placement.

I'm placing my bets on SRMP.

[Golden Robster]

Gah, I'm probably being manipulated by scum RC.

[Golden Robster]

The problem with lynching SRMP, is that we're letting SS get off on the basis that he's town.

BUT, if SRMP flips scum, then I'm pretty sure that the SS wagon was a mislynch and that narrows down the scum list by quite a bit.

[PeregrineV]

I'm unsure about this. On one hand, I want a lynch on Snarky purely for information.

On the other, if SS flips town, it'd be a big blow. We need to lynch a scum right here, right now.

UNVOTE: SnarkySnowman

VOTE: SRMP

I'm pretty sure there is a scum in SRMP/Masquerade/Blackstar just from the wagon placement.

I'm placing my bets on SRMP.

Except all you did was randomly color players read. That's not wagon analysis, that's randomly coloring players read.

Do you have any reason for Random-scum besides "wagon placement"?

[Almost50]

@GRob: You realize your assessment of the Ricastle wagon coincides exactly with mine??

[PeregrineV]

On the other, if SS flips town, it'd be a big blow

If Snarky flips town, why would it be a huge blow?

We have no reason to believe he's a PR, he's not scumhunting in the thread, his contributions to the game are below minimal, he's not providing consistent reads, nor providing content which would allow us to read him.

So, describe why it would be a huge blow.