In post 240, Wake1 wrote:
VOTE: Dwlee99
Except meta as you know is manipulable, and forgets that players do try new things regardless of alignment.
horrible wagon jump here. i'm reading this as a purely opportunistic vote; it was when dwlee was already the leading wagon with like 4 votes and the reason behind it isn't necessarily bad, but not groundbreaking either.
i also read this as a scum post tonally. it comes off more like he's attempting to coast and take a more neutral position without getting too directly involved in the argument, where given the argument he was pushing (dwlee's push coming off as disingenuous) i would expect a town response to be more along the lines of directly challenging it "no it isn't, and you're BS'ing here".
In post 1285, Wake1 wrote:
Gimme the shindig in ONE sentence why he deserves rope. ONE. Make it count.
In post 1287, RadiantCowbells wrote: In post 1285, Wake1 wrote:
Gimme the shindig in ONE sentence why he deserves rope. ONE. Make it count.
Because his reads are inconsistent with his stated positions and there's no evidence to suggest him doing any scumhunting besides picking general thread mentalities and declaring them his reads.
In post 1288, Wake1 wrote: In post 1287, RadiantCowbells wrote: In post 1285, Wake1 wrote:
Gimme the shindig in ONE sentence why he deserves rope. ONE. Make it count.
Because his reads are inconsistent with his stated positions and there's no evidence to suggest him doing any scumhunting besides picking general thread mentalities and declaring them his reads.
Well let's lynch the fucker then. What are you people waiting for?
Hey, I wanna hammer. I've ALWAYS wanted to just bring a hammer on someone just like AH HA HA HA DIE FUCKER!!!
Can I? Please? I promise to clean up the mess. Where's that hammer dammit?
this exchange came off really awkward, and i think it looked more like forced distancing than anything. first off, given how stubborn he was acting over the _one_ read on dwlee he had posted earlier, the progression from 1237 to 1285 feels out of place - i don't think he would kinda-skeptically ask to be sold on a wagon and then immediately go "WHEE HAMMER". then the progression from 1285 to 1290 felt out of place too. *if* i'm assuming he is actually town who decided "fuck it, i should just hammer", it still doesn't make any sense for him to suddenly back out of it and jump on RC instead. usually when i see town who is drastically behind and just wants to end the day, they're in a position where they're not capable of giving that much of a shit and would just hammer. there's no internal consistency here.
i'm wondering what scum-Wake would have to gain from bothering with this given he would have known dave was scum, though, since the tone is completely different from his previous posts. if he saw his partner hard bussing dave, why _wouldn't_ he just hammer and hope he'd get town points for "lolhammering scum"? i can maybe see it as him thinking him hammering prematurely would be viewed as scummy despite dave's alignment, or point to inside knowledge. or it could just be that he thought distancing from RC would be a better use of his energy and he didn't realize how much he was forcing it. /shrug
i'm just going to put a disclaimer here that i have not evaluated/cross-referenced Errant's catchup at all bc it is just making my head hurt. i will probably try and come back to it later.
from there:
In post 6247, Errantparabola wrote:This doesn't change the fact that pisskop is town
Phoneposting so give me like 3 hours and I'll be back
i'm taking issue with this pisskop read, because there was absolutely no follow-through with it. after this post, pisskop gained a sizable wagon, and their next progression of posts went like this:
In post 6272, Errantparabola wrote:you're probably right. zulfy slot is town by RC interaction as well.
i see no reason for cabd and Keyser to be lynch immune.
In post 6279, Errantparabola wrote: In post 6276, DeathNote wrote:I'm not sure what your point is? RC was going to get lynched so pushing on him and creating a large case isn't that hard. I'm glad he was so adamant about it but I would have bussed the shit out of RC as soon as that cop flipped town.
Basically this. Due to the nature of the game state I think interaction tells on RC post Nero lynch don't swing alignment either way. Town can easily be convinced RC is town and scum can easily hard bus RC based on believing that RC's life is on a timer and the other way around too. That's why I'd only really take stock in tells pre RC claim to influence a read.
In post 6305, Errantparabola wrote:Pk, is your read on gr based on titus?
Because i agree that i got no town vibes from titus, but i forgave it because zulfy was rather town to me.
there was no mention of pisskop at all up until the last post (which was their last D5 post), and there was nothing along the lines of them trying to convince other people their pisskop reads were wrong or them trying to derail the wagon. if i was in Errant's position here, with a town read on pisskop, i would have been a hell of a lot more aggressive than this. as it is, there was literally fucking nothing - a few reads on other players and then them asking pisskop himself about his Titus read.
the last one felt especially out of place. i sure as hell don't approach a wagon on my town read by ... bouncing reads off them ... i put all of my focus and energy into questioning the people *on* the fucking wagon, not the person who's being wagoned, which is probably one of the most useless things i can think of in terms of derailing it. it felt more like they were just sitting back and letting the wagon happen as opposed to actually doing anything about it.
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