NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[JarJarDrinks]

As for Keysor:

Let's lynch RadiantCowbells

Part One

I will look at RadiantCowbells' Day 3 posts later, but his posts around the Nero Cain lynch alone point to RadiantCowbells being scum.

RadiantCowbells begins the day "leaning town" on Nero due to his posts surrounding the Frozen Angel wagon (post 3024). Between this post and his eventual shift to scum-reading Nero Cain, RadiantCowbells was pushing DeathNote's lynch:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' push for DeathNote's lynch

DN is fucking scum regardless of what neighbourhood he's in.

you're scumclaiming atm.

I don't think there's a chance in hell I unvote DN for the rest of this game, yeah. Literally 180ing your PoV because someone else suggested a different possibility that makes no sense is not town aligned.

I've wanted that slot lynched from the first few fucking pages.

are you interested in voting Keyser or DN with me, or do you have any other candidates that you'd like to push?

PLS VOTE DN WITH ME

PLS.

get the fuck off mollie and vote DN

and he's done absolutely nothing since then to make me think he's town.

What about DN or KS.

don't fucking hammer someone unless you flashwagon DN

Help me get DN plsssssss

[Note: I want to see RadiantCowbells flip before presenting a full RadiantCowbells-pisskop scum-team-case so I will show how RadiantCowbells is scum, and pisskop are scum individually. After re-reading D2 I would add Dwlee99's name to that scum-team too. At this time, pisskop (L-3) was the leading wagon (post 3643). Only, Dwlee99 was supporting the DeathNote wagon with RadiantCowbells (we will notice later how Dwlee99 always follows where RadiantCowbells is voting)]
So, RadiantCowbells has pushed a Death Note lynch since D1:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' D1 push for DeathNote's lynch

Literally guarantee you the dude's scum.

There's literally no town motivation for such feelings whatsoever.

Substantiate or suffocate DN.

VOTE: Deathnote

DN is sufficiently independently scummy for me to be interested in pursuing it regardless of his presence or absence in a neighbourhood.

we're lynching this.

VOTE: DeathNote

RadiantCowbells will push the DeathNote lynch with assured conviction but will jump off very easily if a better opportunity arises [1) bussing his deadweight scum-partner davesav, 2) lynching lynch-bait Frozen Angel/pirate mollie 3) lynching the town role cop].

I liked some of what you said while FA was being wagoned but you sidelining during this PK Mollie situation is scummy as fuck.

Nero Cain began attacking the much town-read fro99er (this was his mistake) - I believe scum realised this was a good time to hide behind town here, and attack their accuser. RadiantCowbells has often used his changing read and position on Frozen Angel/pirate mollie's lynch against others. Now anybody who didn't want Frozen Angel's/pirate mollie's lynch is scummy.

Especially the guys playing both sides of the fence between you and Mollie. Kesyer, DN, maybe JarJar.

RadiantCowbells chooses which players look good or bad by their interactions with Frozen Angel/pirate mollie. At one point RadiantCowbells asserts that Frozen Angel/pirate mollie's wagon is town, because scum would have already hammered her... and then othertimes when he is scum reading that slot, scum-reading players that are defending that slot i.e saying that they are scum-partners. It is all contradictions - play to support the wagon/scum-reads he is pushing for that particular time i.e opportunism.

Here is RadiantCowbells' full reads on Frozen Angel/pirate mollie. RadiantCowbells has constantly contradicted himself by shifting to town-to scum-to town to fit the momentum of the wagon on her slot:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' changing read of Frozen Angel/pirate mollie

She's town here, 100%.

I've also actually been scumpartners with her, so I know how she operates as scum.

As town she's really AtEy and it's hard to follow her cases as a logical sequence.

She relates to me differently, she's a lot less scumhunty and more sort of calling people scum and shoving lynches through, and she gets a lot more flip-out-y with her emotional reactions.

we're never lynching FA this game.

She's town here.

I really don't see FA scum as even a possibility here, regardless of associatives.

Reread and I guess I still think she's town.

k cuz read on FA is based entirely on fucking alignment related info.

FA does all of the above as town though.

I mean it's definitely possible that she's scum, I'm not denying that.

I just hate the way people went around the wagon and its making me incredibly reluctant to vote her with people like Zulfy pushing it.

The miller shit bugs the heck out of me and I'd expect Town!FA to omgus the shit out of PK and make him her priority target, and the absence of that makes me feel that she isn't as emotionally impacted as she's claiming to be.

VOTE: FA

VOTE: FA

The fact that she immediately unvoted when she definitely knows she can't be banned for doing it stands apart from everything else.

I don't think she's town here.

I'm amazed by the lengths she's going here but she's not town.

Your mood completely changed when I stopped reacting to your over the top screaming.

Just take my word for it, I've yet to misread her.

she's scum.

I'm still leaning scum on the slot

FA's probably scum

FA's said and done crazy shit like that as scum before.

Still think she's more likely to be scum than Zulfy

alright that fucking settles it

VOTE: mollie

I'm pretty sure Mollie's scumclaimed at this point and is just trying to avoid creating any further associatives since she won't give any reads.

Look what I can't fucking understand is how you guys don't realize that if FA was town she'd have been lynched literally eons ago.

If this was town, the wagon wouldn't have stalled all day.

UNVOTE: PM

idk

yeah sorry PK but I just don't see this flipping scum rn.

Most of it's just the way FA reacted out of game more than anything but I just don't see this flipping scum rn.

I've been thinking about that line forever and I don't think that mollie scum would have either had or falsified a thought process that would lead to that thought being expressed like that.

And yeah, I somewhat feel the same way.

I'm kinda worried that my personal situation with FA has fucked with my judgement but like, I get it, mollie not doing anything, but idk.

Like everything says that I should be lynching this but I just got this gut feeling that it's the wrong move and I know it cuz I keep trying to think through what my reads are gonna be when she flips scum and I really can't get anywhere on that front sorta like I know this is gonna end up flipping town but yea

I actually feel way better about this game now that I'm not voting Mollie anymore.

I'm taking that as confirmation.

yea cuz I was thinking that you not getting lynched probs meant you were scum but there's so many people passively standing around not rly voting you or pushing scumreads and I'm starting to wonder if scum wants town to push this lynch through then use it as justification to push a ML onto like PK or myself who were on the wagon.

My position on pirate mollie was very clear:

Spoiler: My opinion/concern with her wagon

Keyser:
1)Is that pic of you?
2) You said the timing of my FA vote was interesting. Please explain why.

1) No, that is Jaqen H'ghar, from the Game of Thrones.
2) The Dwlee99 wagon (Fro99er, Frozen Angel, JarJarDrinks) was still in force but the Frozen Angel wagon (pisskop, Nero Cain) was still lagging behind. Your vote and scum-case provoked a raucous of reactions, melt-downs and replace outs. It still remains the leading wagon of D2.

Also Keyser if you can vote FA's slot now that'd be pretty great.

We have plenty of time for a replacement. I feel like my vote (or especially fro99er's vote) on the Frozen Angel slot will push the wagon to an early hammer. Plus, many players are sitting back (waiting to see us lynch pirate mollie? not wanting to change the focus of her slot? or if scum, waiting for the opportune time to bus... basically it needs support from the town-read players before it is considered seriously.) Do the people scum-reading pirate mollie think the people who are opposing the pirate mollie lynch are scum? are they pushing counter wagons? These are questions I'd be asking if I had a strong scum-read of pirate mollie.


Maybe come back here later too:

Ooh I almost forgot

davesaz, Keyser Söze, Aeronaut, Nosferatu
JarJarDrinks, Dwlee99, Fro99er,
Nero Cain, Zulfy, Frozen Angel, DeathNote,

RadiantCowbells, Wickedestjr,
pisskop, Wake88,
TheCow

Always scum in those scumleans.

he's my primary scumread atm.

It's the first I've heard of it. When did I become your primary scumread? Before or after where you kept flip-flopping over the Frozen Angel/pirate mollie wagon?

and yea, he's doing a lot of talking to you like you're town. I actually thought he was bussing you when I was scumreading you but idk

Where did I say I think/know pirate mollie is town?
How can I be bussing pirate mollie?
I've wanted to give that slot a fair chance, but no where did I claim pirate mollie was town. That slot deserves pressure.

Still p sure he's scum because of the way he's sidelining the wagon here,

All I ask is for someone in that slot to present their reads and not threaten to rulebreak/overreact/tunnel/get mod-killed/want to be lynched. I have been

very clear

about this. I have not town-read that slot since Frozen Angel was sat in that chair. Because of their emotional/defensive dispositions I feel like that slot has not played to its potential, therefore, we risk a miss-lynch if that slot is town. If the slot fails to contribute to the game it will be lynched/replaced. That is why I asked pirate mollie to take a step back from her defence tunnel on pisskop, breathe, and share her reads on

everyone else

.

plus his awful daves associatives.

Please highlight all these awful "associatives".

I don't like nero and now that I think your slot is town it makes me like his reaction to your wagon a lot less.

VOTE: Nero

RadiantCowbells sense the momentum on Nero Cain and now has the bakcing of fr099er (the accused) and pirate mollie (the waggoned innocent). Again, RadiantCowbells is using his new stance on the pirate mollie wagon against people to force a miss-lynch.

you're questioning everyone who townreads you why.

what's the end to you asking me why I townread you? what does my answer mean?

what were you looking for from it?

These questions serve no purpose other than to keep the pressure/focus on Nero Cain. Again, with the Nero lynch still not certain, incase his miss-lynch does not go through, RadiantCowbells has the DeathNote lynch running in the background:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' continued DeathNote push

No one is willing to vote Keyser or DN today?

Mollie, what did you think about the DN slip that I pointed out?

and yea, if DN were to happen that would make me so happy.

CAN WE PLEASE FUCKING LYNCH DN

WHY IS DN EVEN FUCKING ALIVE GUYS

I want to lynch DN a fucking billion times more than anyone else in game right now.

VOTE: DN

PLEASE guys.

Holy shit.

I wanted to lynch DN and have for days.

I'm pretty happy lynching Nero and I think this day needs to end.

We still had over 10 days left of Day Two, RadiantCowbells wants to rush his miss-lynch through ASAP. RadiantCowbells had obviously settled for either a DeathNote or Nero Cain lynch.

Don't necessarily think that was a slip but Nero's reaction to being TR was weird as fuck considering I made clear my reasons in the post where I said I was TRing him.

When is this ever scum-indicative? Plus, how does this outweigh your scum-case and strong scum-read of DeathNote? This is pure opportunism.

The way he's trying to push on Fro99er is scummy as fuck too and I get the feeling that he's just trying to move his vote somewhere safe.

RadiantCowbells well knows he can hide behind town-fro99er (the accused).

He basically called Fro99er out for using whit knighting as a trust tell, got him to get a meta example of doing it as scum, then claimed he was scum for playing to is scum meta.

This whole case was null -but RadiantCowbells will keep recycling the lie to push this miss-lynch.

nero if you're town your reads are literally the shittiest of any player I've ever seen.

if he flipped town I would literally ignore everything he has said thus far this game.

Again these points serve no purpose in scum-hunting but to keep the focus and pressure on Nero Cain. They are undermining in nature and personal attacks, that have nothing to do with Nero Cain's alignment.

I want to lynch scum today.

I'm not quite sure who is scum in the current primary lynches.

Nero's the one who I see as most likely to be scum but I'm not like positive on him so I want my guaranteed scum flip.

The pisskop/pirate mollie wagon is now officially dead, the only lynches RadiantCowbells supports is Nero Cain and DeathNote. RadiantCowbells adds an out: "I'm not like positive on him", so that he can push his other scum-read (DeathNote) later.

Yeah, I'm actually really feeling the Nero lynch now.

I could do that over DN.

The Nero Cain wagon has been given the green light by the 'townies', RadiantCowbells is now committed to his lynch.

I mean Nero's reads are like the shittiest of shit and that Frogger read especially is insanely manipulative and inorganic.

If he's actually town, he's a liability. DN's just derping around because he knows he's caught.

Nero's mudslinging all my townreads. I'm happier lynching that RN.

VOTE: Nero Cain

Having reads that "are like the shittiest of shit" is not scum-indicative. How does RadiantCowbells know which reads are good or bad? Again, RadiantCowbells is using Nero Cain's attack on strong-town-fro99er against him.
"insanely manipulative" is an unsupported accusation. "If he's actually town, he's a liability." - again, RadiantCowbells opens up the possibilty of Nero Cain being town, but now, this his lynch can still be viewed as a policy lynch. Again, RadiantCowbells pushes his back-up lynch, DeathNote.

Nero is scummy and manipulative flat out, and there's little town in his play either. He's getting lynched.

Nah, we're lynching Nero now.

He called Fro99er out for using WKing as a trust tell, then Fro99er provided evidence that he's done it as scum, then he called him scum.

Now he's voting me because apparently my scumhunting is so bad that I have to be scum this game.

My argument is that Nero's play has clear scum intent and his reads are contradictory.

This is just repetition for effect. Unsupported accusations/lies to force a miss-lynch.




We now get to Nero Cain's roleclaim. Any townie searching/pushing/looking for answers always weighs up every possibility before jumping in. RadiantCowbells shows no town-paranoia/inquisitive/doubt/curiosity (qualities you would associative with a scum-hunter) there is no logical reasoning or discussion, only narrow/quick/opportunistic conclusions. Remember, that RadiantCowbells is supposedly a 2 shot cop:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' response to Nero Cain's Role Cop claim:

NO THERE IS NO FUCKING ROLE COP IN THIS SETUP.

LYNCH IT.

He is not fucking role cop.

Lynch him.

I'm cop.

there's no fucking role cop in the setup and if there is it's scum.

lynch him right now.

I DONT GIVE A SHIT THERE IS NO ROEL COP IN THIS SETUP

there is no fucking role cop in a setup with me

shut the fuck up

just shut the fuck up

I checked Aeronaut last night who died unfortunately which fucked us.

There's no cop and role cop in one setup.

One more thing, let's also take a step back for one moment: RadiantCowbells visited Aeronaut N1. Aeronaut dies N1.

[TL;DR]
1) opportunistic play
2) insincere scum-reads
3) insincere town-reads
4) using the D2 scum-led Frozen Angel/pirate mollie wagon to force misslynches and scum-reads
5) his reaction to Nero Cain's roleclaim
6) hiding behind wrongly-accused townies
7) no pro-town motivation in his approach to the Nero Cain wagon/lynch/roleclaim
8) repeating unsupported lies to miss-lynch Nero Cain
9) Undermining Nero Cains through personal attacks
10) lynching/scum-reading on pre-flip associations via his ever-contradicting reads

THIS IS NOT TOWN

I will later look at his Day 3 posts in

Let's lynch RadiantCowbells: Part Two

. Coming to a bookstore near you!

Next up... why Zulfy/Titus is town.

Not much more needs to be said than that.

[DeathNote]

I'm not sure what your point is? RC was going to get lynched so pushing on him and creating a large case isn't that hard. I'm glad he was so adamant about it but I would have bussed the shit out of RC as soon as that cop flipped town.

[pisskop]

He stuck on stupid.

Vote for scum goldenrod

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm not sure what your point is? RC was going to get lynched so pushing on him and creating a large case isn't that hard. I'm glad he was so adamant about it but I would have bussed the shit out of RC as soon as that cop flipped town.

Lol. So then what do you make out of pisskop defending the fuck out of RC?

[Errantparabola]

I'm not sure what your point is? RC was going to get lynched so pushing on him and creating a large case isn't that hard. I'm glad he was so adamant about it but I would have bussed the shit out of RC as soon as that cop flipped town.

Basically this. Due to the nature of the game state I think interaction tells on RC post Nero lynch don't swing alignment either way. Town can easily be convinced RC is town and scum can easily hard bus RC based on believing that RC's life is on a timer and the other way around too. That's why I'd only really take stock in tells pre RC claim to influence a read.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 5.2

pisskop (3) - Golden Robster, Keyser Söze, JarJarDrinks
Golden Robster (1) - pisskop

Not voting (4) - Cabd, Errantparabola, DeathNote, Firebringer

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-02-15 11:59:59)

[AngryPidgeon]

Prodding Firebringer and Golden Robster

[Golden Robster]

{keyser, DN} (would be more willing to lynch DN)
{mollie (Cabd)}

{Dwlee}

Why would you be more willing to lynch DN over Keyser?

Does RC's ascetic/sk business with DN not make you realise that he was most likely misleading town? You state here that you believe there is a 4 scum team.

So if I'm wrong about the whole traitor deal then there are certainly 4 groupscum. If I'm right then there still might be 4 groupscum.
I think there is a decent chance I'm wrong but traitor is still very plausible given lack of SK kill and mafcop.
If there are 4 groupscum, then there is

one scum in pisskop-dwlee

(and I think I've made it clear who I think is the scummier) and one scum in

FB-keyser-mollie.

It just doesn't make sense for

2 groupscum to hard defend someone who's life is on a timer

. It just doesn't make sense for 2 groupscum to hard defend scum knowing that neither of them have the towncred to seriously divert a lynch off of RC, and when RC eventually dies, their lives will be at stake. I could see one groupscum doing it, sure. But two is just ridiculous.

So you're advocating for a Cabd lynch instead of a PK lynch. Why?

The part in green is what I agree with. There isn't really any evidence that an SK exists, apart from RC's attempts to mislead town (wifom).

He's continually being aggressive with a lack of evidence. Why would he be advocating for another aggressive lynch after the mislynch on Dwlee? Surely this is setting off alarm bells within your head.

Scum Pisskop knows he's on his last legs. He's currently flailing around and he succeeded in the mislynch on Dwlee.

Now, let's take a look at the vote count on Dwlee.

Dwlee99

( ) - pisskop, Keyser Söze,

Nosferatu

, DeathNote, ErrantParabola,

Dwlee99

pisskop (2) - JarJarDrinks, Golden Robster
DeathNote (1) - Firebringer

Not voting (1) - Cabd

PK was the first on Dwlee's ass because he knew that he could take advantage of his scummy plays. Dwlee's whiteknight on RC, combined with his eventual change of heart was an easy target for PK to latch onto and mislynch.

Scum are desperate.

[pisskop]

^^ Thats a shitty analysis.

[pisskop]

You apathetic chumps lynch that when Im gone.

[pisskop]

Im so glad it finally got off its lurky ass after I start to harp on just howe shit it looks.

[Golden Robster]

He stuck on stupid.

Vote for scum goldenrod

Lynching me is bad.

Like All of yesterday was pretty bad.

Goldenrod is scum.

And guess who lead that wagon on dwlee? oh wait...

none other than the mighty pk. In all of his gloriousness

That I wasnt roped was a combination of how crappy a hammer on me would look and the apathy it created; dragging the game out.

Lynch Titus-slot.

That's shitty reasoning.

Ah yes, "apathy"

[Golden Robster]

^^ Thats a shitty analysis.

thanks for dat constructive criticism sir

[pisskop]

^^Its only posting because its obvious that it has a deficit of it.

[DeathNote]

I'm not sure what your point is? RC was going to get lynched so pushing on him and creating a large case isn't that hard. I'm glad he was so adamant about it but I would have bussed the shit out of RC as soon as that cop flipped town.

Lol. So then what do you make out of pisskop defending the fuck out of RC?

Thats pretty bad if it's something that happened after Nero lynch. That's not related to your original post about Keyser/RC tells though. I guess you are going to drop that?

[Keyser Söze]

I'm not sure what your point is? RC was going to get lynched so pushing on him and creating a large case isn't that hard. I'm glad he was so adamant about it but I would have bussed the shit out of RC as soon as that cop flipped town.

Why are you doing this now?

You were loving me when I was defending your ass and getting RadiantCowbells lynched:

Keyser good posting
+town points

What am I now? RadiantCowbell's mafia partner who bussed him?

I'd rather we resolve this now:

DeathNote, do you think I am mafia?

Do you think my pushes on davesav/Radiant Cowbells were examples of scum-bussing? I don't understand why you would support this angle right now - you're one of the original players with me and JarJarDrinks who have shared, seen and experienced all the same vile scummy shit from Day One. Time for you to re-read the thread and stand up. You're supposed to be the "bulletproof townie" FFS.

[DeathNote]

Ummmm... wtf? That last post was easily the scummiest thing I have seen you post so far.

Where have I even come close to attacking you? Because I questioned JarJar's bizarre rational for you being town? If anything, I am attacking JarJar right now, not you. But you flipping out just because I mentioned your name while questioning another player does come off as pretty sketch.

Just sit down and don't stress. Post some more good shit about why Piss is likely scum or better yet, tell me why JarJar/CABD are town.

[Keyser Söze]

Just sit down and don't stress. Post some more good shit about why Piss is likely scum or better yet, tell me why JarJar/CABD are town.

If you can't answer this yourself (Day 5!) I suggest re-reading

now

.

"Attacking JarJarDrink"? -

why are you doing this now?

Reading my ISO will show you clearly my positions on the pisskop/JarJarDrinks/Frozen Angel slot.

Show me mafia-JarJarDrinks. Go.

[DeathNote]

No because thats not what I wanted to do in the first place. I saw shit and called it out.

[pisskop]

Just like every other day Led by Jarjar, theres no talk about alternatives, or associations. Its just a rush to try to lynch me.

[Keyser Söze]

No because thats not what I wanted to do in the first place. I saw shit and called it out.

Then use your time to call out

scummy

"shit".



Talk to me about the scummy "shit" you have flagged (do you still hold these positions?):

how about cow as scum?

I do like cow as scum.

I will vote Pisskop

I still kinda use the neighborhood? I see a case for firebringer or Pisskop.

I.e what made you reach these conclusions?

[DeathNote]

Idk, scummy shit. Also scummy shit and shit go hand in hand for me. I don't really call shit out unless I think it is scummy. So yeah, I think JarJar pointing out how town you were for pushing a lynch on already dead scum was pretty scummy. Then you freaking out about me doing that and ruining your town cred is also pretty scummy.

I think Cow was an overall scumball and firebringer for whatever reason just wants to go against the grain of town. Could be scum? Piss also "could" be scum but his lynch just looks so similar to Dwlee that you will have to forgive me if I don't rush right into it.

[JarJarDrinks]

So yeah, I think JarJar pointing out how town you were for pushing a lynch on already dead scum was pretty scummy.

Lol. I shouldn't have had to say anything at all. That's just one of the many reasons that anyone paying even a little attention to the game should need to know that Keysor is as obviously town as a person could possibly be.


Also it took FORTY FUCKING PAGES to get RC lynched. I agree that it should have been an easy lynch, but it wasn't. Stop pretending like RC getting lynched was a foregone conclusion.

[DeathNote]

It was in my eyes.

[AngryPidgeon]

bump