Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

[pisskop]

Votecount 2.03

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Aneninen

- (3) acryon, Burning Crystal, kop

Burning Crystal

- (2) Aneninen, Mad King Ashnard

acryon

- (1) Ranger

kaintepes

- (1) chilledtea

kop

- (1) Almost50

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Not Voting

- xtoxm, kaintepes, davesaz

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With 11 Alive it takes 6 to Lynch!
Day 02 Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-21 11:30:00).

[Almost50]

Dont have to yell . . .

Not yelling. I only bolded bc it's the way to catch your attention, but I DID NOT CAPITALIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Xtoxm]

Acyron still gives me pretty strong town vibes. Anen's posting today is bad. Didn't like Kain's on-off the tex wagon.

Let's start with VOTE: KT

{chilled, 50}
{BC, acryon, Ranger}
{davesaz}
{MKA, Kop}
{Anen, KT}

is roughly where i'm at, i'll expand later probably

[Burning Crystal]

And that's what I think was a scumslip.
It sounds as if you know that I'll flip town.

You're gonna have to explain that to me. I see Titus saying she'll analyze your wagon. That applies regardless of your alignment. If you were to flip scum (you won't, I can tell that much), then the wagon would be useful, especially for finding town. If you were to flip town (you will), then the wagon is still useful, for finding scum in particular.

Firstly, I don't think they'd have pointed it out that they'd VCA my wagon later if they scumread me for real.
Secondly, their reaction. Check out their 1069 once more. They did NOT care about my post (actually nor my content at all) – that post had one single goal: discrediting me. [1]

#Anen: I take it back.

I don't think Ranger was affected my post as for her reads.
Also, why are you so worried? It's clear that lynching you would be a terrible idea right now. (We'll see later whether your claim is real and if so, you need not worry.)

They won't be coming soon, all Aneninen has done is quotewall to make it look like he's more active and involved than he really is.
I can't believe people are following his crappy votes with even worse votes and none of it seems to deserve any attention or notice whatsoever?

More discrediting. I'm not surprised.
Also, calling everyone voting for you terrible is another scumtell. Firstly, I don't think my posts are the only reasons for voting for you. Secondly, you're totally ignoring the fact that you were wagoned Yesterday. [2]

Naked votes don't fly outside of RVS, guys, so why don't you try doing something original instead of following scum around like a bunch of brain-dead pidgeons?

VOTE: Aneninen

Good. You started insulting me. It works on many players, I know, but no, you won't make me upset. You're attacking the player instead of the posts, which is scummy.
You're acting as if the votes for you had been RVS-es. Palpable misrepresentation of the events.
And one more thing. Repeating the vote. It makes my wagon look bigger than it really is. I know that trick. [3]

Good finding, KainThraddash!
I bet if I asked about the jump from BurningCrystal on me after that post, I'd be discredited once more.

And I bet that if you posted relevant content instead of a bunch of assumptive statements with no corroborating evidence, people that matter might actually believe you. Unfortunately, this is something you not only seem to not possess, but a concept you appear to not understand.

More discrediting. More insults. As if I hadn't posted anything relevant. [4]

Why would scum roleclaim midway through day 1 with no pressure whatsoever? An unnecessary gambit. His "fake-claim" actually would be extremely courageous at that point.

Most of those players claimed because of being pressurized.

1: Oh really, and what is your source for this claim? Or are you just flinging shit to see what sticks?

2: I didn't call them all terrible, I told them to provide reasoning for being on the wagon. Something I should have done yesterday when our wagon started up in the first place.

3: Posts that contain a vote tag and nothing else are baseless votes, regardless of what you say. I didn't realize Titus snuck in a vote against you. Believe me, with how much you've been deflecting and not answering questions we won't need silly tricks like that to see this wagon through.

4: For someone so defensive over his supposed contributions, you sure are hesitant to point out what those contributions actually are.

~tn5421

[Ranger]

Why would scum roleclaim midway through day 1 with no pressure whatsoever?

This is dependent on the player. There's not a universal answer. The question isn't why scum would roleclaim, it's why Almost50 would roleclaim under no pressure. The answer is because that's what he'd do.

How is being the first person to start the wagon on someone who is fairly widely town-read opportunistic?

Being the first vote doesn't matter. Someone having been previously widely townread also doesn't matter if momentum has begun to shift onto them. That's what I've seen from your votes.

[acryon]

Why would scum roleclaim midway through day 1 with no pressure whatsoever?

This is dependent on the player. There's not a universal answer. The question isn't why scum would roleclaim, it's why Almost50 would roleclaim under no pressure. The answer is because that's what he'd do.

How is being the first person to start the wagon on someone who is fairly widely town-read opportunistic?

Being the first vote doesn't matter. Someone having been previously widely townread also doesn't matter if momentum has begun to shift onto them. That's what I've seen from your votes.

How has momentum begun to shift on them without any votes? I imagine if this was a scenario where there were lots of votes on them, you would say I was being opportunistic and sheeping. But since there haven't really been, I am opportunistic and following the " sentiment momentum" (does that sound right?)? Seems like you would come up with whatever to support your narrative. Also if you actually looked at all my votes you'd see they don't even follow the picture you're trying to paint.

[Aneninen]

{chilled, 50}
{BC, acryon, Ranger}
{davesaz}
{MKA, Kop}
{Anen, KT}

What makes you think BurningCrystal and Acryon are town?

1: Oh really, and what is your source for this claim? Or are you just flinging shit to see what sticks?

For example these two sentences of you.
Instead of showing that you're actually interested in my posts you threw out a question

and added a discrediting sentence instantly

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2: I didn't call them all terrible, I told them to provide reasoning for being on the wagon. Something I should have done yesterday when our wagon started up in the first place.

There were plenty of things posted about you Yesterday. Yet again, you're ignoring the fact that I actually

do have

a case against you. You're acting all the time as if I were a player shouldn't be listened to. That's called discrediting.

3: Posts that contain a vote tag and nothing else are baseless votes, regardless of what you say. I didn't realize Titus snuck in a vote against you. Believe me, with how much you've been deflecting and not answering questions we won't need silly tricks like that to see this wagon through.

I don't believe you at all. Neither of you seem to be the kind of players being unable to talk to each other about your thoughts.
As for my vote for Acryon. I had explained my scumread on him clearly on Day1 and you act as if I had never done so.

4: For someone so defensive over his supposed contributions, you sure are hesitant to point out what those contributions actually are.

Apart from throwing shyt at me what else have exactly you done Today?

Why would scum roleclaim midway through day 1 with no pressure whatsoever?

This is dependent on the player. There's not a universal answer. The question isn't why scum would roleclaim, it's why Almost50 would roleclaim under no pressure. The answer is because that's what he'd do.

As far as I remember there were pressure on him.

How has momentum begun to shift on them without any votes? I imagine if this was a scenario where there were lots of votes on them, you would say I was being opportunistic and sheeping. But since there haven't really been, I am opportunistic and following the " sentiment momentum" (does that sound right?)? Seems like you would come up with whatever to support your narrative. Also if you actually looked at all my votes you'd see they don't even follow the picture you're trying to paint.

Erm... I actually posted why I think you're scum. 946. It was not only about your votes. Nothing you've done since then looked town.

[acryon]

How has momentum begun to shift on them without any votes? I imagine if this was a scenario where there were lots of votes on them, you would say I was being opportunistic and sheeping. But since there haven't really been, I am opportunistic and following the " sentiment momentum" (does that sound right?)? Seems like you would come up with whatever to support your narrative. Also if you actually looked at all my votes you'd see they don't even follow the picture you're trying to paint.

Erm... I actually posted why I think you're scum. 946. It was not only about your votes. Nothing you've done since then looked town.

I was not talking to you.

[acryon]

Why would you just quote my comment and reply to it like it was toward you and not a reply to Ranger's post?

[Aneninen]

Oh I'm terribly sorry that I've forgotten that in this game, I'm not a player who is worth talking TO; I'm the player who is only worth talking AT.

[acryon]

Oh I'm terribly sorry that I've forgotten that in this game, I'm not a player who is worth talking TO; I'm the player who is only worth talking AT.

You replied to a quote of mine which was very clearly part of a discussion with Ranger and then just tagged your comment on like I was talking about you. Why would you say "I actually posted why I think you're scum". Actually implies a correction. What part of my post were you correcting?

[Aneninen]

It sounded as if you thought the only reason for scumreading you had been your vote pattern. I corrected that fact.

[acryon]

It sounded as if you thought the only reason for scumreading you had been your vote pattern. I corrected that fact.

Except I was clearly talking to him about his reasons. Your reasons are flawed on their own, but we're not talking about that right now (nor do we need to I don't think). Looks to me like you're deflecting.

[KainTepes]

XTOXM you should expand now,, you have not explained your votes, only voted randomly people,, why YOU DO that?

[KainTepes]

also BURNING CRYSTAL what i mean is that I dont remember you being suspicious of acryon so you following the vote all of a sudden has a strange feeling attached to it,, like a fly when it got attacked by the VENUS FLYTRAP

[Almost50]

OMG! This thread is quieter than outer space. Are we still playing?

[pisskop]

Issuing prods to Mad King Ashnard, kop, and davesaz.

[Mad King Ashnard]

What can I say?

Still want BC dead, don't really feel the anen wagon. Honestly still reeling from the texcat flip, ordinarily I'd talk with RC though I haven't seen him on skype for like a week now. Could also settle for kop at this point.

[davesaz]

Furthermore it's a heavy work week, I'm hosting some big meetings.

LA Wed-Fri

[KainTepes]

CAN YOU ALL ANSWER MY QUESTIONSPLEASEE....

[KainTepes]

QUESTIONS PLEASE....

I FORGOT THE SPACE...... silly kain tepes!!!

[acryon]

What can I say?

Still want BC dead, don't really feel the anen wagon. Honestly still reeling from the texcat flip, ordinarily I'd talk with RC though I haven't seen him on skype for like a week now. Could also settle for kop at this point.

You can say a lot more than that, anything really. You "could settle for kop at this point" says nothing. Why do you not feel the anen wagon? Get over the tex flip.

[Kop]

What can I say?

Still want BC dead, don't really feel the anen wagon. Honestly still reeling from the texcat flip, ordinarily I'd talk with RC though I haven't seen him on skype for like a week now. Could also settle for kop at this point.

It would also be handy to state why you would settle for me.

Sorry for inactivity, not been well at all this week.

[pisskop]

prodding chilledtea

[chilledtea]

Sorry for my inactivity but I am in the same phase as MKA at this point. Don't know what to do, and am basically waiting for others to do the work.

I voted kain tepes, because I get the feeling that he could be scum btw. If texcat isn't scum, and I have my doubts regarding BC being scum, KT could very well be one. At any rate I don't see him not getting mislynched if he is town further down the road, and if he is scum he can get away with this kind of play till the end of the game. We will always doubt KT unfortunately, unless people have a different opinion on him.

I also think his vote will matter a lot more in the later stages of the game - if he is town, he will be kept alive 100%. No scum will take him out. It will be a lot easier to manipulate him then some of the others.

KT needs to step up his game big time. I kind of feel bad about posting this personally. Unless he is scum - then he is actually playing to his win condition.