Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Aristophanes]

/comfirmation and excitememt!

[Aristophanes]

/confirm VT let the Angry WIFOM OMGUS bastardry begin

[vore]Maestro [/vote]
VT claim = wine = scum.

[Aristophanes]

Ah shite!
VOTE: Maestro

XD

Bring it Maestro!

P.edit
This is growing fast...

[Aristophanes]

I know little of this genre, but it seems interesting and FA is like, cool and stuff, so I had to join.

Looking forward to all of the musical links

Maestro, has scum voted you yet?
Kush, SE question. Do you think scum are already on Maestro or are waiting to see who makes the next move? I think your mentioning of the theory obscures any further info from this wagon tbh.

Masq, when are you planning on looking at this wagon? Today when it disbands or after we have a flip?

Double ninja, Oh my god!

[Aristophanes]

Cool.
VOTE: KillTheStory

[Aristophanes]

Sorry, I have a habit of capitalizing each word when they string together. Hashtags have ruined me! Lol

[Aristophanes]

Because they don't feel like putting effort in, assuming an immediate scumread?
To get reactions?
To mask being a PR?
To create wine that that could be a PR while actually being VT?
To mask being scum?
To mask being TP?

It's really very full of wine. I don't see it as very indicative.
though, in more cases than not, I could see it from town.
the read should develop based on play though, and his reactions have been very calm. This is a reason I am townreading him.

[Aristophanes]

i mean, i dont see scum doing something so suicidal unless, like i said, they're fucking suicidal?

like I was townreading Maestro because of all the inconsistent votes/how fast the wagon formed on little basis, but what the fuck was that VT claim? thats got me doubting myself just a little

basically it hinders more than helps, to elaborate, just because it gives scum more chance to hit a PR than a VT. regardless of his reasoning, it's probably not going to work as he intended, and if it was calculated it was stoopid bro

I agree that it isn't good as it limits the NK pool closer to the PRs.

However, as you say, it is unlikely from scum unless suicidal, and thus doesn't make sense from that alignment. And the wagon grew way too fast.

So why the vote on him?

[Aristophanes]

Bad play =/= scummy play. Always remember that.

If the rest of his play is towny, and this is null, then the vote is still the part that confuses me.
I don't get why it is placed on a nulltown.

[Aristophanes]

I meant no offense, pretensiousness, or rudeness in that...

I am merely meaning that what you perceive as bad play is not always scum indicative. Town make bad plays a lot. Sometimes plays are made which are not bad, but are perceived that way.

It's merely something I've leaned throughout the years. Think critically about things instead of taking face value.

Also, I've been playing since April of 2013, just not on this site, so I probably have more experience than you think, Mister

2012

.

[Aristophanes]

And for the record, I liked the claim.

I voted it to see where it vould go, not because I thought it was scummy.
I kept my vote there to see who would join late and why.

I got stuff out of it, and it got us out of RVS rather quickly.
So I don't think it was either bad or scummy play.
but for those who do I think my statement stands.

[Aristophanes]

I don't like Shiro either

Why not?

[Aristophanes]

I don't like Shiro either

Why not?

Her only post was attacking the guy being attacked by everyone, didn't give me good vibes

Is Masq being that attacked by everyone?

I mean, it wasn't a great startup post, but I see nothing scummy from it.

[Aristophanes]

it's not natural. scum bussing within 5 pages is nearly unheard of. In fact, I'd say it's more against meta to defend your mafia buddies rather than bus them early on.

P-EDIT: whatever.

Nearly unheard of? Sorry I've heard of it and seen it and probably have done it myself before.

lol ok.

it's a bad play, and if you've done it it probably sucked

I mean, I've done it before. And I have been bussed and won the game that way, within pages of day start. Can link if you want.
I don't think it's that uncommon is what I'm saying.

Also, you say it's against site meta to defend in lieu of bussing, which is counter to your argument. Was that a typo or...?

[Aristophanes]

Wanna vote with me, Maestro?
It would make my day!

[Aristophanes]

Killthestory is town
I don't like Dierfire either

...Why and why?

I have Dire as forgettable null and KTS as a voteworthy scumlean.

Please elaborate such that I may follow!

[Aristophanes]

Jake vs KTS just got weirdly warm and fuzzy...

Unsure whether alignment related.

[Aristophanes]

^ Lol

[Aristophanes]

Farmer, is your picture a pig...being castrated!?!?

Also, I read that as Masq making a point that posting the reasoning made it SE the reasoning could not be used anymore. It's like when some people ruin a secret tell. It isn't secret anymore and is thus noll now.

Saying what line of thinking you expect from various factions allows them to conform to the "town" thinking, making it null.

[Aristophanes]

SE was "so."

Dumb phone.

Also, sorry for my interjection then. I should learn to butt out when I'm not being addressed.

[Aristophanes]

Maestro is also town. Vote actual scum please

[Aristophanes]

Kuroi, why are you VI-ing right now?
It makes me sad inside.

[Aristophanes]

Generally missing things/being a tad dumb (which I don't expect from you btw).
It technically stands for "Village Idiot"

[Aristophanes]

Wisdom's reads arent prrogressing am I the only one that's a little worried about that?

Nope

[Aristophanes]

I was saying you weren't the only one worried...

[Aristophanes]

and someone who i cant remember

Masq?

[Aristophanes]

Maestro (4) : SnarkySnowman , Jeanne11 , a plain farmer , KuroiXHF

Dafuq is this shit!?

[Aristophanes]

So one person says no and you don't worry about it anymore? Uh ok

I was saying you weren't the only one worried...

I said worry about myself, not worry about Wisdom. I was basically asking 'Am I crazy or is it just me..?' and now I am a little reassured I'm not crazy. Get it?

I missed "about" which changes everything.

Gotcha! :3

[Aristophanes]

Okay, notes from this page.

Jake has valid claims against Wisdom and that should be pursued.

KTS looks really bad for the outburst on Jake. Looks really opportunistic.

Kush is playing both sides of the argument until he sees which way it will go.

@Jake, which of these would you like a wagon on?
I'd prefer Wisdom or KTS myself.
The sudden jump to defend Wisdom by KTS is really weird, and I dislike it far more than I dislike Kush playing it both ways.

Jake is town.

Shiro needs to say more. We miss Shiro!

[Aristophanes]

I enjoy Wisdom's sparse style and I may try to emulate it in my next town game.

Insinuating this is not one of your town games...

[Aristophanes]

Why not start now then?

Who is scum. Call them that to their face.

[Aristophanes]

Kush is playing both sides of the argument until he sees which way it will go.

So if I understand this, you think I'm going to pretend to suspect both people, until there's a wagon on one, then conveniently join that?
That sounds pretty scummy. Why did you think that other thing looked scummier than this?

Because this has potential to also come from inquisitive, undecided townies. That's why I prodded the thought process a bit.
You came out alright.

KTS was really opportunistic against Jake there, and the tone and composition of his posts are scummy. So my vote is deserved there, not on you.

[Aristophanes]

Shiro needs to say more. We miss Shiro!

Ari yiu also had worries about Wisdom's read progression. Can you walk me through it? Because to me, it seems pretty normal.

=D

I had worries about the lack thereof.
To merely quote the same post for your reads tells me they have stagnated.
Nothing new has come up to support the reads, nothing has gone against them, and nobody else has moved towards either town or scum?
That's incredibly hard for me to believe. It leads me to think there is an agenda being pushed.

[Aristophanes]

Let me reinvesting ate. I hadn't remembered that..

[Aristophanes]

wut

Shiro is greek, I'd never guess

Yup

Born,raised and currently living in Greece ^_^

And I am mad jelly! Lol

Also, I looked back.
He did jump on Jake, who was still in the lynch pool. I guess that's not damning, as that's the point of a lynch pool.
But he hasn't really tried to sort anyone, and has jumped on things (like with Jake) at the drop of a hat.

I'll take them down to an FoS because you raise some alright points, but I still have my reservations.

[Aristophanes]

Maestro, an overreaction to kills obnoxiousness.
That scumslip though lol.
It's a bad reason to townread maestro but his not wanting to play looks honest and townie.

Bear with my phone posting formatting.
From Jake

What I said is when asked to explain himself he does so in very few words, if he actually does it at all

The bolded is the more egregious behavior.

Reading this again, it feels so fake.
Lots of people won't answer questions about their reads. Not responding to questions is what makes him scum?
I don't buy that.
So as much as I like my policy voting, I'll vote game.
Maybe at some point I'll filter him properly and townread him again so I can go back to my beloved plynch.

VOTE: jake from state farm
Do you actually work at state farm?
My name irl is jake and people are always saying jake from state farm haha...it's kind of annoying but they are funny commercials.

This feels like an RVS vote.
That sucks at this stage!
Sore you mentioned that he felt fake (which basically amounts to a gut read), but that's all you've got? Really?

Also, I agree with Maestro on the potential slip and will support a wagon here if it becomes a thing. Not a priority atm though.

Maestro, I'm happy you're here in the game and totally get where you're coming from. This last bit was NIA (and I find it interesting that Kush said otherwise).
I am curious on the other reads on Maestro though. He is clearly town to me. What is the actual case here??

[Aristophanes]

Wisdom, you got really nitpicky in that last string of posts on this page and I disagree with your deductions.

[Aristophanes]

Man this conversation is boring.
Can we lynch already?

[Aristophanes]

Maestro started out the game nice and active and stuff. Now of a sudden it's like he's a different person. Not interactive and all he can talk about is how much he hates KTS.
What happened bro?

Is it not obvious??
You read the game right???

[Aristophanes]

Nice shot Vig!

[Aristophanes]

No fire was the typo. Kill and farmer are the 2 people who's posts rubbed me the wrong way. I have no read at all on dier

I think today's lunch should be killthestory. I don't see any genuine scum hunting from him, his only serious attack has been on the person who voted him first and he hasn't really provided any good reason why he's scum reading dier. It looks like just an omgus reaction and his attempt to vote dier just looked like mud slinging. He also said I made an accusation about him which is also false. He's not doing anything to progress the game and instead he's just trying to alienate as many people as he can.

Side note

Spoiler:

I don't care what he says but a new person to the site just doesn't call different people they supposedly never played with, bad players or imply they are bad players or even catch attitude with people in a way that looks like it has some bias to it. I get the need to want to try something new or hide to get people to treat you differently but at least be honest about it.

These are the only relevant mentions of Dier by Jake that I could find.
Why the immediate vote?

[Aristophanes]

I don't care about Dier, Jake is still scum. You had your mislynch, now we're lynching Jake.

Ah, gotcha.
I thought you had a brilliant deduction to throw my way! Lol

[Aristophanes]

@Wisdom Well, I have to be a party pooper, but......what if he's town? What will you do then?

If you don't answer this question directly within next five posts or throw some vague stuff out, I am voting you.

Well this is a side of Jeanne I haven't seen, and I like it!

[Aristophanes]

@Wisdom Well, I have to be a party pooper, but......what if he's town? What will you do then?

If you don't answer this question directly within next five posts or throw some vague stuff out, I am voting you.

He's not town

And how sure are you of this?

[Aristophanes]

Shiro, Jake didn't hammer. Maestro did.

And I don't disagree Wisdom is likely town. I just wanted a bit more from him to start off the day.

[Aristophanes]

And Wisdom being town doesn't preclude Jake from being town.

You feeling alright Shiro? You're usually a bit more on the ball than this.

[Aristophanes]

Nice shot Vig!

"a player who comments on the outcome of a night when that outcome was detrimental to one or more factions is very probably scum".

Reading up. I'm reading Wisdom as town right now for the record.

Am I wrong that it was a good shot? Is it bad I'm happy about it?

Like, seriously people.

[Aristophanes]

Can we drop this and agree Wisdom is town? I definitely follow his line of thinking here and I think it's distracting from {Jake, Maestro} scum and {Aristo} SK

Ooooh. I get it.
Haha I wish! That'd be far more interesting!

[Aristophanes]

Scum don't follow patterns. Like town don't follow patterns. Expecting them to do things is dumb.

Says the guy who just used 3 year old Meta...

[Aristophanes]

Though, nah, if Shiro was Maestro's buddy there's no way she'd think Jake hammered.

That question wasn't asked with the idea of Maestro being scum. She could also be white knighting.

Well Maestro's scum though, and tbh you look more town now. Maybe I should reread plain farmer for the third.

Gimme a C
C!!!

Gimme an O
O!!!

Gimme a -
This is gonna take too long.

Dat Confbiasing though.
This is what Jake(?) meant by you not considering other options.

[Aristophanes]

Not much new in D2. Cool. I'll ISO Dire when I get a chance.

Masq is cool for having done that unprompted.

[Aristophanes]

You were just waiting around to snipe that Pagetop, weren't you FA!

When you think everything is safe , there is a FA waiting in the shadows ... PAGE TOPS ARE MINE ~FA

[Aristophanes]

Man, these last 8 pages told me nothing except that Snarky could be scum.

I'm gonna compare this to a couple town games we shared for reference.
I'll get back to you with this.

[Aristophanes]

Why would you call him not posting scummy at all?

From the games I've seen, lurkers seem to be disproportionately scum (even if a majority of lurkers are still town).

Aristophanes is lurking way more than Maestro, I don't see you worried about him.

I was thinking the same thing lol

[Aristophanes]

V/la until Mon/Tues.
Probably won't get any time to read up on any developments that happen until then.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo should maybe put some more effort in.

*goes V/la*
*gets chastised for effort produced*

nnn and jake are proded. sorry for my semi inactivity, I'm in a bad situation

I hope all is well FA <3

[Aristophanes]

Prodgefest!

But seriously, not really cool, come back and play. Talk to me.

K,waddya wanna talk about?

[Aristophanes]

Spoiler: MiniRant on Blacklists

People blacklist others, or threaten to, way too fucking much!
Like holy shit! He's had maybe a busy week! Maybe a traumatic experience irl! Who the fuck knows! Just because it's not stated, doesn't mean it's not legitimate! And even if somewhat playstyle related, a blacklist based on this is petty.
I want to go on about how people fight in this game, and it's natural, Nutt when it gets personal blast listing is alright, but that is somewhat of a digression.

If ssomeone attacks personally, plays against wincon consistently, or disrupts the game purposely on many occasions, sure, blacklist away!
However, this is uncalled for and reads as a mini temper tantrum so you get your own way (in this case, Maestro's activity).

[/rant]

[Aristophanes]

There's way to many people who's contribution has been terrible. Please give me a couple of day kills

Who are they and what are your reads on them?

[Aristophanes]

Dunno about you, I'm waiting for Snarky to be hammered

Is he in Hammer range?

So what are we doing here? All waiting for Maestro to finally put down some content? I know I am.. I'm getting pretty bored. Lets just lynch Maestro, he's stalling big time.

I still don't get why he is supposedly scum.

[Aristophanes]

L-3 I think

Gotcha. I'll read him and Maestro and present thoughts.

Ninja'd
That works too

[Aristophanes]

Aristo, we've been discussing Snarky and Maestro for days and NOW you go and read them?

Pretty much. Point being?

[Aristophanes]

Fact: I think Maestro is scum.
Fact: You and Jake in particular are de-railing that case because you're looking at the circumstantial part of my case, and not the basis for the case.
Fact: The case on me is based on an interaction you don't like, me pushing the shit out of my scumread, and me changing a read from early on and not really knowing why I had said read in the first place. That's weak as shit.

I've been tunneling the shit out of Maestro since before pressure was on me. KTS was doing the same before he got lynched. If you think we're both scum, lynch him first, then lynch me if he flips town. I'm certain he will not, though.

This is the most compelling case I've seem from you. I'll consider it.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo who do you want to vote?

Snarky. He's so focused on Maestro it's embarrassing.

Like he started to tunnel as scum and now has no more faked reads to fall back on.

[Aristophanes]

So why are you not voting?

isn't he at L-1?

shiro is proded

I forgot Shiro was in the game :S

[Aristophanes]

So why are you not voting?

isn't he at L-1?

He was, but he's back down to L-3. His wagon now consists of Shiro, kush, and I.

The wagon composition is shit, but so is the suspect :S

Whatever.
L-2
VOTE: Snarky

[Aristophanes]

By the way, where did I assume SK was the only option?


And also, can we get people to stop being lurksacks and post and stuff? The Jake/Wisdom show is getting tired.

You made a post, which was quoted earlier, that had a couple players as Mafia, and myself as SK, based on my comment about a vig shot. That's where that's stemming from.

I've stopped reading Jake v Wisdom.

[Aristophanes]

@Snarky,
Remember?

Nice shot Vig!

Nice shot Vig!

"a player who comments on the outcome of a night when that outcome was detrimental to one or more factions is very probably scum".

Reading up. I'm reading Wisdom as town right now for the record.

Can we drop this and agree Wisdom is town? I definitely follow his line of thinking here and I think it's distracting from {Jake, Maestro} scum and {Aristo} SK

[Aristophanes]

I joined for FA and the music.
I left because of the drama.

Thanks for the game, FA, and thanks for replacing into this mess, FB!

I'm not sad town lost. I'm not sad I replaced out.
I did enjoy the music though!

[Aristophanes]

KTS, I'll be honest.
I was excited when you died and mentally high five Maestro.
But it was 100% playstyle, not content based.

I felt bad afterwards and will change this attitude next time we play.
I look forward to it.

[Aristophanes]

thats only natural from the way i play lol. No worries dude, im naturally aggressive and combative, but i cant really change it. i dont know how to play any other way without eventually cracking

All good!
I should learn to accept this!

[Aristophanes]

22-1 posts to page 100!

I was really hoping the game make it to there!

I can help, but it may al be spam...

[Aristophanes]

oh and before I forget , the next game I will mod : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7830265

I won't take more than 4 pre in's and they are full but I can still message you guys when it started signing up if you want to

May I be in that message?

If I don't in, ask me to replace if needed.

[Aristophanes]

Yay!