In post 521, drmyshottyizsik wrote:I want to lynch java tomorrow possibly, pending results of the two investigating one another. You are making it seem as if I am calling him town. I am simply giving him the chance to prove that he is. Again, and I don't know how many times I can say this. If they are both town. We hit 5 man lylo on day 3, why isn't this concerning to you?
Because I don't think they're both town, and deciding on when we reach LYLO should never be a factor in anybody's mind if they have faith in their scumreads. I believe Java is scum, my vote is on him, when we lynch him and he flips we shan't be closer to LYLO. If my scumread is wrong then fair cop, I re-read and I re-evaluate the game. However until that point my vote stays where I think it is most likely to hit scum.
What do you think of WL, Shotty?
And this is where you need to stop ignoring math!
What percentage would you give to one of them being scum?
But it's not completely random, everyone plays differently, the fact that some roles have more power than others and more information than others and the human element is not randomised in a RNG which skews the math. Stop playing the countdown numbers round and start playing mafia.
But it's not completely random, everyone plays differently, the fact that some roles have more power than others and more information than others and the human element is not randomised in a RNG which skews the math. Stop playing the countdown numbers round and start playing mafia.
So you are so confident in your reads that you are willing o risk a 50/50 shot at 5 man lylo?
Yeah, pretty much. Even if it were completely random (which it's not, as you managed to ignore) I'd be happy with that.
Given that I have the benefit of scumreads, I'm even happier with it. I'm fairly certain that one of WL and Java is scum. I'm pretty sold on Java, but if that were to flip town (it won't) I'd be up for lynching WL or you tommorow.
In post 529, Maverick1102 wrote:Yeah, pretty much. Even if it were completely random (which it's not, as you managed to ignore) I'd be happy with that.
Given that I have the benefit of scumreads, I'm even happier with it. I'm fairly certain that one of WL and Java is scum. I'm pretty sold on Java, but if that were to flip town (it won't) I'd be up for lynching WL or you tommorow.
Stop. Playing. The. Numbers. Game.
You just said even if it were random you would be ok with a coin flip to see if we end up in 5 man lylo.... Also your overconfidence scares me
In post 520, Maverick1102 wrote:
You all seem very pre-occupied with a piece of terminology without understanding the intent behind it. Shotty has quickly gone from wanting to lynch Java to suddenly agreeing with him and hopping on the counter-counter-wagon on me. This looks to me like a scumteam that's realised that the bus is too obvious and that a Java lynch would significantly hurt them. All of a sudden in comes lurkbait Maverick, I use a piece of terminology (which to be honest, doesn't carry alignment-indicative bias, it's an action) which they can jump on.
First off, the terminology is important because saying shotty is "buddying" java does not mean anything close to what you just said in this paragraph here. That's WHY I asked you to explain your point in 493, because your actions were not reflected in your words.
Next, let's tackle the logic now that you've actually elaborated. I really doubt scum!shotty would be partners with java here. You think shotty didn't know beforehand that bussing your partner in a micro significantly hurts the scumteam? He just happened to realize this once java hit L-1? And you think he'd suddenly do a very visible 180 and draw attention to himself just to try to save a doomed partner, because otherwise his bussing position was "too obvious"?
Doesn't seem like cohesive analysis to me.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
So why're you asking me to play the numbers game when your vote isn't based on the numbers, Shotty? Why? I'm happy where my vote is and tommorow it'll likely be on you.
GL: If they were trying to put some distance between each other, it's certainly worked a number on you. My kneejerk reaction is that it's un-natural, flippy-floppy and downright scummy.
Why do I feel like I'm being treated somewhat condescendingly?
Sorry, I'll try to dial back my tone a bit if you feel personally attacked.
however, scum must be shown no mercy or sympathy for any manipulative evil pseudologic that they may try to bring forth in this town, and I will not cease in my efforts to expose them
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
Mav I'm not asking you to play a numbers game. I am asking you to maybe consider not being such a god damn idiot! So if someone isn't voting you based off of numbers then they can't call your attention to fact? In the amount of time you have spent trying to argue about even evaluating possibilities and avoid this we could have already discussed it and moved on with a consensus, but no you are way over confident. Also don't put AtE in this, no one is being condescending, this game is not a safe space and will get heated, if you "can't handle it" go let your heart bleed elsewhere.
GL you're not, you're fine. A little off if you read me as scum (do you? idk.) but fine. BBT really seems hesitant to catch up - RL has to account for some of that but I cant really get a grasp. I feel like he toyed with the idea of WL and Java both being town but is now on the Java wagon which is flip-floppy so call it null-scum.
Only the last one is math, and it seems town-motivated to just lay all those numbers out like that. Also he's disregarding the possibility of a 3rd party which is weird because he was a 3rd party in the previous game... as scum he'd likely be hunting for one.
In post 544, SirCakez wrote:Where the hell did this numbers discussion come from?
I just posted our possibilities and pointed out how quickly we could end up in 5 man lylo if the are both town. Considering radjas past games it's not all that unlikely.
