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Transcend Survivor
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Smithereens Mafia Scum
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Zachstralkita Jack of All Trades
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iraonavp wrote:Ranger does not believe that any of me, LQ, or Umlaut are scum-aligned.
I am almost certain that Ranger is scum-aligned and trying to get me lynched because I naturally look suspicious. She is using smirking, shrugging off rhetoric to make it seem like she is certain on having caught the scum-aligned team, when she hasn't and she knows it. And look how she is voting me even though claiming a stronger read on LQ. Ranger never explains reads but this is easy to hide behind, that's what she's doing here and it's too easy to trust her, inventing your own reasons when she never had any to start with.
Hmmm... I don't know if I like how that one sentence reads at the beginning. But in the event that Ranger is scum, I'm sure she could convince you all to throw puppies off of highways and stuff and no one would bat an eye.
In post 713, Dunnstral wrote:In post 708, davesaz wrote:Starting my rereads. Transcend isn't doing anything that I would consider to be information gathering. I get a weak scum read from the overall effect. It feels like wanting to look active but not really knowing how to begin.
Going to +1 this
VOTE: Transcend
Zach don't quote this post
Mandatory quoting.In post 723, Dunnstral wrote:[Bins]
[Ranger, Smithereens]
[davesaz, LicketyQuick]
[Umlaut, texcat, a plain farmer]
[transcend, iraonavp]
With texcat being pretty null for me
Notably I have transcend in my bottom tier
VOTE: iraonavp
Zach don't quote this post
That's... that's not fair ;-;In post 709, Ranger wrote:So I finally earned my title {Top Tier}!
It's a hard-coded title, too.
Anyone can earn it.
All they need is:- 25 games worth of perfect reads,
- 20 times nightkilled by scum, including at least once AS scum (multiball),
- And 25 town victories.
(Reading.)
Anyways I still believe my buddy Ira's gonna flip town-aligned. and THEN I"m GOING TO LAUGH AT YOU
Also Transcend you have to admit you've been lackin this game.-
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Zachstralkita Jack of All Trades
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I know my opinion is irrelevant here, but I'm 100% on the never lynch LQ part. Maybe not never because I don't like absolutes. But not today for any of the reasons anyone has listed because they're all awful.In post 736, iraonavp wrote:Make sure that if you lynch me to lynch Ranger and never lynch LickityQuickity, no matter what.-
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This looks like wifom from maf going downIn post 736, iraonavp wrote:Make sure that if you lynch me to lynch Ranger and never lynch LickityQuickity, no matter what.-
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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Just for shits and giggles:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=64547
this is what Ranger is looking at for my Town game.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.-
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davesaz HeSurvivorHe
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Huh? Don't see you in the player list of that game.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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Stairway to the Abyss. Hydra with Titus.In post 756, davesaz wrote:Huh? Don't see you in the player list of that game.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.-
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Bins Survivor
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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You're crazy if you are doing a full ISO of nearly 3,000 posts for a single game.
I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.-
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Bins Survivor
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texcat Mafia Scum
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iraonavp Mafia Scum
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I have completed 6 games on this site, and more on other sites and in real life, I'm not new.In post 740, Smithereens wrote:Does anyone have meta on Ira?
It's not nonsensical, you don't even try to understand my opinion.-
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Ümläüt Mafia Scum
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Dave was accusing Dunn of posting from a position of knowledge in a way that was indeed flimsy, but not extraordinary given it was page 4. Flimsy pretexts are still better than random ones.In post 699, Ümläüt wrote:If it were a random vote it would be fine, but Dave claims to actually be reading Dunn as scummy in that post on the flimsiest of pretexts. Read it again and tell me if you really think Dave could have read Dunn's post the way he acted like he did.
Regarding your point about dave talking about Transcend and LQ: What you're saying is not incorrect, in that dave did seem to have forgotten that Transcend wasn't accusing LQ of anything (which is something dave seemed to have picked up on when he originally made 285). But you seem to be applying ulterior motive in a case in which it is certainly not obvious that such motive exists. I don't think it does. But if you want to point out what you think dave's motive was, rather than merely that what he was saying was wrong, your read would be more useful.In post 699, Ümläüt wrote:I need you to tell me how I'm emphasizing minutiae here because, while maybe I'm picking on him a little, the points I'memphasizingare pretty serious. Ignoring your own reads and only popping your head up when it's time to defend yourself is not a minor issue.
Elsewhere in those posts, you make note of something you think looks bad (specifically dave's 657 and 660), but the thing in question doesn't on its face indicate scumminess.
It's a sign of tunneling when someone repeatedly points out that their scumread's posts are wrong or bad, but with no evident connection to alignment.-
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a plain farmer Goon
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He's a slight town-read. I would have him as scum, but I suspect that the things I find alarming about him result from norms picked up on other sites and relative inexperience with the norms on this site. This is of course no indication that he's town, but he's more defaulting to the town side of my reads atm.-
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Farmer, I guess I take your point about calling out 657 and 660. I'm not going to claim they're some sort of groundbreaking addition to the town dialogue. (Responding to 660 in particular was mostly just needling.)
I totally disagree that I need to identify or speculate on scum!Dave's motivations to have a case. If I can rule out pro-town motivations I don't really care what the specific anti-town motivation is. This isn't international relations, in this game you really are with the town or against it.
I'm not sure you actually saw what I was doing with my call-out of 657. Back when Davesaz posted his sort of quasi-suspicion of LQ he said he was going to keep an eye on him. Between then and 657 he did basically no analysis of any other players, and when I asked him his current opinion on LQ he basically said he wasn't paying attention to him. This is pretty awful town behavior. There is no good reason not to have an up-to-date read on someone you've committed to keep an eye on. I don't need to know what the bad reason is to call this scummy.-
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You need to explain thisIn post 758, Bins wrote:dav is worse than ira imo-
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In post 656, Ümläüt wrote:So what do you actually think of LQ then?
Please explain how "choosing not to commit to long term memory everything I've read in the game" equates to scummy?In post 657, davesaz wrote:TBH I'd need to look at the posts between then and now. Back then it was really weak town.
Lazy, I'm guilty of. Scummy, no.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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This is me having paid attention to something that LQ did, and giving an opinion on it.In post 720, davesaz wrote: I give less weight to 372 for two reasons. One, I've seen LQ take things really literally before and so this wouldn't be abnormal, and two there is a pretty good percentage of people for whom challenging it on the setup comes more automatically than other kinds of challenges. That doesn't mean I put no faith in the tell, I just don't see it as strong as you do.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Have you seen anything else you'd call noteworthy?In post 763, texcat wrote:Do the ISO of Transcend, in any case, when your headache is better.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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What's yours?In post 767, iraonavp wrote:A plain farmer, what is your read on Umlaut?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord
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