Open 643: Kill All Townies! (Game Over)

[Chip Butty]

...but most of the time it is a symbolic penis - also Sigmund Freud (probably)

No shit Sherlock. That's what makes my quote salient to my point.

So, are you saying your Townslip is a cigar or a penis? I'm getting confused...

[House]

...but most of the time it is a symbolic penis - also Sigmund Freud (probably)

No shit Sherlock. That's what makes my quote salient to my point.

So, are you saying your Townslip is a cigar or a penis? I'm getting confused...

I'm saying my post is simply a correction of a faulty assumption.

[House]

Metaphors aren't your strong suit, Chip.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.8:

JaeReed:

hiplop, LicketyQuickety, Kop (3)

LicketyQuickety:

Ranger, pistachi0n (2)

karnos:

Not_Mafia, DixC (2)

hiplop:

Almost50 (1)

Bellaphant:

Creature (1)

Chip Butty:

karnos (1)

Charloux:

Bellaphant (1)

Almost50:

KuroiXHF (1)

Not Voting:

Charloux, Chip Butty, House, JaeReed, Smithereens

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-06-30 18:20:00)

[pistachi0n]

Are you still convinced you're going to die tonight?

I don't recall saying I would.

But in my experience, my rate of mortality is directly correlated to my rate of annoyance to the scum. So it really depends on just how annoying I am to them.

There's some stuff in your iso like in 373. Looking back, you didn't specify tonight--still, why are you so emphatic that you're dead?

[LicketyQuickety]

Hi, sorry I haven't been very active there is a big game I am playing in that is taking my time away from this one that is off site.

I'll try and reread some stuff.

[DixC]

Are you still convinced you're going to die tonight?

I don't recall saying I would.

But in my experience, my rate of mortality is directly correlated to my rate of annoyance to the scum. So it really depends on just how annoying I am to them.

There's some stuff in your iso like in 373. Looking back, you didn't specify tonight--still, why are you so emphatic that you're dead?

It's a gambit.

I'm satisfied with Jae and Ranger's responses: not satisfied with LQ's he should have pegged me for the poorly defended town-read on him.

[LicketyQuickety]

Are you still convinced you're going to die tonight?

I don't recall saying I would.

But in my experience, my rate of mortality is directly correlated to my rate of annoyance to the scum. So it really depends on just how annoying I am to them.

There's some stuff in your iso like in 373. Looking back, you didn't specify tonight--still, why are you so emphatic that you're dead?

It's a gambit.

I'm satisfied with Jae and Ranger's responses: not satisfied with LQ's he should have pegged me for the poorly defended town-read on him.

I get your point.. I do. I just have a lot of games going on and I didn't get around to your crazy bug huge letter thing.

[LicketyQuickety]

Are you still convinced you're going to die tonight?

I don't recall saying I would.

But in my experience, my rate of mortality is directly correlated to my rate of annoyance to the scum. So it really depends on just how annoying I am to them.

There's some stuff in your iso like in 373. Looking back, you didn't specify tonight--still, why are you so emphatic that you're dead?

It's a gambit.

I'm satisfied with Jae and Ranger's responses: not satisfied with LQ's he should have pegged me for the poorly defended town-read on him.

I get your point.. I do. I just have a lot of games going on and I didn't get around to your crazy bug huge letter thing.

And I didn't follow up with Jae like I wanted to either.

[Rob14]

Not_Mafia and Creature have been prodded.

[Not_Mafia]

Will try to catch up in the next coupe days

[Ranger]

still, why are you so emphatic that you're dead?

I dunno, it's a subject in the thread so it's a subject I talked about?

I'm pretty sure I wasn't the one who started the discussion.

[House]

still, why are you so emphatic that you're dead?

I dunno, it's a subject in the thread so it's a subject I talked about?

I'm pretty sure I wasn't the one who started the discussion.

Where was it mentioned before you brought it up, though?

[Chip Butty]

Ranger seems a bit different here to games we've played in where she was Town, or where I think she is Town. Not sure yet, but this is some of what is standing out to me a bit...

(and it has to be tonight because I am sure she is dying tonight regardless of alignment).

Well, I am gonna die tonight

since there's no town doctor, but devil's advocate, the only way I'd die N1 as scum is if we lynched my faction's doctor or if I was in fact my faction's doctor.

But this is true enough. Last multiball game, I nailed both scum and for my trouble ate the N1 nightkill as scum.

I don't remember Ranger making this kind of coded "I am Town" statement before. Seems to be laying the groundwork for why she might survive N1 as scum.

Ranger's posts have been completely null to me.

It's multiball.

Multiball

.

You don't need to read me.

Like, at all.

I'm dead.

Like, no matter what,

I'm a corpse before the end of the game

.

The story has changed a bit. Now she is predicting she will die by the end of the game, not N1...

Are you still convinced you're going to die tonight?

I don't recall saying I would

.

But in my experience, my rate of mortality is directly correlated to my rate of annoyance to the scum. So it really depends on just how annoying I am to them.

It is not like Ranger to "forget" something she has said fairly emphatically...
By my calculation, your average NK death is on night 2.05. Do you keep statistics for multiball specifically?

still, why are you so emphatic that you're dead?

I dunno, it's a subject in the thread so it's a subject I talked about?

I'm pretty sure I wasn't the one who started the discussion.

Evasive answer. Sure, it was a topic in the thread, and something valid to talk about. But why not answer the question?
And yes, Jae seems to have been the first to raise the topic afaics, so there's that - but what was the point of pointing that out?

Not a lot, but enough to raise doubts in my mind about Ranger's Towniness. I need to finish doing my own reads before I make an assessment of hers. I have found that, when we are both Town, are reads line up to a large degree. However, I expect that to happen when I am Town and Ranger is scum, but with an anomaly or two (someone I scumread getting a high tier from Ranger, or someone I Townread getting a low tier). o far I haven't spotted anything really obvious, but I'll be in a better position to assess that when I've completed my reads and reread LQ.

[Chip Butty]

Where was it mentioned before you brought it up, though?

Jae, 188

[House]

Where was it mentioned before you brought it up, though?

Jae, 188

So her protege, who herself admits a lack of competence, makes a worshipful comment (Ranger is so mega-awesome that scum always kills her at the first opportunity), and Town!Ranger runs with it as gospel?

Why wouldn't she point out games where she didn't die n1 to dispel the notion and reduce the threatening nature of her play to scum if she was town? Wouldn't that increase her odds of impacting the game more than saying "You best kill me or I'm gonna gotcha!"?

This could easily be seen as drawing the night kill from the other faction (and being protected by the doc) in order to minimize losing a member of her own team.

[Chip Butty]

Chip you make far too many assumptions about what I and don't know.

Really? Can you list them, please?

Are you saying you really weren't aware there are no Town Docs in this game? It just seems odd that you wouldn't comment on that when you are quoting from the wiki about how Docs work.

[House]

Chip you make far too many assumptions about what I and don't know.

Really? Can you list them, please?

Are you saying you really weren't aware there are no Town Docs in this game? It just seems odd that you wouldn't comment on that when you are quoting from the wiki about how Docs work.

I don't often play open games, so no I didn't know what was in play.

I typically enjoy trying to figure out the setup more than having concrete roles. There are exceptions, but it's generally because they have interesting mechanics.

[Chip Butty]

Setup information:

*Mafia Goon
*Mafia Godfather
*Mafia Doctor
*Werewolf Goon
*Alpha Werewolf (Godfather)
*Werewolf Doctor
*Town Cop
*Town Seer
*Town Vigilante
*8 VT's

Are you saying you really weren't aware there are no Town Docs in this game? It just seems odd that you wouldn't comment on that when you are quoting from the wiki about how Docs work.

I don't often play open games, so no I didn't know what was in play.

Really? That's the way you want to go on this? You didn't know what roles were in play?

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: HOUSE

There you go, House,

M.D.

[House]

Setup information:

*Mafia Goon
*Mafia Godfather
*Mafia Doctor
*Werewolf Goon
*Alpha Werewolf (Godfather)
*Werewolf Doctor
*Town Cop
*Town Seer
*Town Vigilante
*8 VT's

Are you saying you really weren't aware there are no Town Docs in this game? It just seems odd that you wouldn't comment on that when you are quoting from the wiki about how Docs work.

I don't often play open games, so no I didn't know what was in play.

Really? That's the way you want to go on this? You didn't know what roles were in play?

Yep, and you paying the setup doesn't change the fact that I didn't bother reading it before i responded to the faulty assumption about doctors.

I don't know why you're so bothered by ignorance, considering you have your fair share.

[House]

Setup information:

*Mafia Goon
*Mafia Godfather
*Mafia Doctor
*Werewolf Goon
*Alpha Werewolf (Godfather)
*Werewolf Doctor
*Town Cop
*Town Seer
*Town Vigilante
*8 VT's

Are you saying you really weren't aware there are no Town Docs in this game? It just seems odd that you wouldn't comment on that when you are quoting from the wiki about how Docs work.

I don't often play open games, so no I didn't know what was in play.

Really? That's the way you want to go on this? You didn't know what roles were in play?

Yep, and you

paying

posting the setup doesn't change the fact that I didn't bother reading it before i responded to the faulty assumption about doctors.

I don't know why you're so bothered by ignorance, considering you have your fair share.

[House]

VOTE: HOUSE

There you go, House,

M.D.

And your vote is disingenuous, because you'd have done the same thing if I said I did know what the setup was, having caught me in a lie.

Confbias moar.

[karnos]

The ranger getting killed tonight is a huge WIFOM. Since it's multi-ball, as it looks more obvious she will get killed tonight it actually becomes less likely- because each scum team assumes the other will take the kill.

Basically, she will probably get killed night 1 or 2, maybe night 3. She might be scum or town, it doesn't really change these chances significantly, except that as scum she might have a doctor's protection. Really the whole thing is a waste of time to argue about, because it's NAI in this game.

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: HOUSE

There you go, House,

M.D.

And your vote is disingenuous, because you'd have done the same thing if I said I did know what the setup was, having caught me in a lie.

Confbias moar.

So what is it? Disingenuity or confbias? The first implies I am scum, the second that I am Town. So, which way do you want to go with that?

Here, I'll answer for you: neither.

It's not disingenuous, because you dug the hole you've now jumped into further back, when you first denied knowledge of their being a Town Doc in this setup. If you had said something back then like "I knew there was no Town Doc, but I didn't see any need to mention that, because I made the ENTIRELY REASONABLE ASSUMPTION that everyone would have read the HIGHLY PROMINENT LIST OF ROLES in #2", I would have been satisfied and backed off.

And it's not conbias, because where have I been saying "Oh I am sure House is scum?" That's an accusation that gets trotted out far too frequently.