New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Lapsa]

How so? What do you already know about this setup that you know you've never played before?
The only things you really should know are your role and the number of players, but this reads like you know more than that.

ugly misrepresentation. i reckon boem was speaking about setup with masons

[podoboq]

Not really. It's way too early to start talking about the Setup of this game, which is why I've avoided it thus far.

if you are scum - it's way easier to spot another ball.
therefore scum parties tend to duel late D1 to get upper hand

from town perspective - players seems more segregated than usual

it is peculiar that no wagon has received critical mass.
normally there would have been few L-1 already

and game seems to be fairly active and seriously played

I think a lot of players (including myself) are made apathetic and lazy by the constant 1v1ing that goes on for several pages. In my last large, scum made wall posts, and bored players into not reading the game. Which slowed it the fuck down real fast.

[Lapsa]

I meant I've never played closed setup, without knowing roles.

ah. was kind a wrong. still a misrepresentation

[podoboq]

ugly misrepresentation. i reckon boem was speaking about setup with masons

Well he's responded, and he wasn't. I wanted to know what I was missing, because I didn't think that's what he was talking about. It could have been a scumslip (sounds like it wasn't), and if it's not, it's still cool to know what he knows about this setup that's new to him.

Apparently, Boem has never played a closed game before.

[podoboq]

VOTE: Gideon

VOTE: PeregrineV
Basically nothing contributed yet. Let's change that.

[Wake1]

Not really. It's way too early to start talking about the Setup of this game, which is why I've avoided it thus far.

if you are scum - it's way easier to spot another ball.
therefore scum parties tend to duel late D1 to get upper hand

from town perspective - players seems more segregated than usual

it is peculiar that no wagon has received critical mass.
normally there would have been few L-1 already

and game seems to be fairly active and seriously played

I noticed

that

as well...

[Titus]

Shannon, why follow me so close?

Lapsa, why should I think you're town?

Wake, Are you aware of the difference between pushing things and questioning them? An you tell me where your reads are?

[Lapsa]

I noticed that as well...

Not really. It's way too early to start talking about the Setup of this game, which is why I've avoided it thus far.

wake, i think i'm scumreading you

[implosion]

it is peculiar that no wagon has received critical mass.
normally there would have been few L-1 already

This is untrue in a game 5 RL days into day 1 in my experience.

Having multiple wagons reach L-1 by this point is an exception.

@wake, eh. There are other things from shannon that still dissuade me from a scumread (I think her aggression towards Zach, and continuing to push it even after it was described as a policy lynch, is somewhat unlikely from new scum who wouldn't want to do anything that stands out). And the way she phrased the "please don't investigate me" sentence feels like she's a townie who genuinely wants to contribute more but is being bogged down by the game which is pretty chaotic (I was getting bogged down by it pretty hard for most of yesterday).

I do need to figure out somewhere useful to put my vote though.

[implosion]

Oh and meant to say this: although having multiple wagons reach L-1 by this point is an exception to the norm, there have been several wagons that have coalesced and fallen apart. Problem is the only two that still exist as of the last vote count are on masons (unless you count the two votes on me which no longer both exist).

[Titus]

Vote your gut implosion, not like it will hammer.

[Lapsa]

Lapsa, why should I think you're town?

hah. out of nowhere

in my mind - Titus vs Wake ended abruptly and unnaturally.
as if by silent agreement, without any real continuation

lack of content in that fight is single most important indicator that it might very well be scum vs scum

[Titus]

Lapsa, why should I think you're town?

hah. out of nowhere

in my mind - Titus vs Wake ended abruptly and unnaturally.
as if by silent agreement, without any real continuation

lack of content in that fight is single most important indicator that it might very well be scum vs scum

VOTE: Lapsa

You adopted an aggressively hostile tone I have never seen you adopt. You're saying things that are patently untrue (implying I am townreading Wake solely because I asked a question elsewhere). Your interactions as a whole have been awkward.

[Titus]

Oh and most of all, you do NOT answer why I should be townreading you.

[implosion]

Vote your gut implosion, not like it will hammer.

I mean, there are a solid half-dozen single votes on people right now that are doing basically nothing (one of these is mine but I didn't realize the wagon had dissipated until I looked at the vote count while making my last post).
Me throwing out another such vote onto AGar will not do anything useful right now and I'm not confident enough that he's scum to want to push other people into forming a wagon.
I need to try to sort the people that I haven't gotten a read on yet, and see if there's anyone who I feel strongly enough about to push.

[Titus]

Then join me on Lapsa or vote Sick of it until you figure it out.

[implosion]

I have a very strong townread on Lapsa and a moderately strong townread on Sick.

[Titus]

And your "reads" are utter crap.

[implosion]

Well I'm sorry you feel that way.

This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

I think from this pool boem is town (I agree with whoever called 959 town, and some of his other recent posting pings town as well, e.g. 964, 966).

Airick is null, Wake is impossible to read.

Varsoon eh. Don't feel strongly about him yet. But I think I'll be able to get a read on him from a bit more posting.

I can see peregrine scum, although I don't have any particularly strong reasons atm beyond gut. I've explained why I think AGar is scum for the wallpost. I found Mirhawk's early posts scummy and still do on reread but need to look at his other stuff more since he's actually been active.

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Lapsa]

You adopted an aggressively hostile tone I have never seen you adopt. (..) Your interactions as a whole have been awkward.

^ content-less scumtalk

You're saying things that are patently untrue (implying I am townreading Wake solely because I asked a question elsewhere).

did i imply you townreading wake?

i'm pretty sure i clearly spoke about scum vs scum.
that's implying you scumreading wake and acting upon that unnaturally for town

Oh and most of all, you do NOT answer why I should be townreading you.

YOU are responsible for scumhunting and figuring out reasons to scumread me

is my refusal to get defensive for pretty much nothing up to par for that?

[Lapsa]

in case my world stands true - i think it's fair to assume implo is clean

i remember there were some peculiar readflips on him

[Titus]

This is very defensive.

1) You edit out parts of my post and call the post content less. This is the second such edit you've tried. The first was about townbeards on my wagon.

2) The comment edited isn't even accurate. Your hostile tone is novel from you and worth investigating as to why. Same thing with the awkward misreps.

3) I thought saying something is "unnatural" wasn't content. Oh that whole double standard rings it's head again.

4) I am scumhunting you, by telling you that I don't see you as town at all and giving you a chance to comment on it.

[Transcend]

Well I'm sorry you feel that way.

This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

I think from this pool boem is town (I agree with whoever called 959 town, and some of his other recent posting pings town as well, e.g. 964, 966).

Airick is null, Wake is impossible to read.

Varsoon eh. Don't feel strongly about him yet. But I think I'll be able to get a read on him from a bit more posting.

I can see peregrine scum, although I don't have any particularly strong reasons atm beyond gut. I've explained why I think AGar is scum for the wallpost. I found Mirhawk's early posts scummy and still do on reread but need to look at his other stuff more since he's actually been active.

VOTE: PeregrineV

yuck

[Lapsa]

You edit out parts of my post and call the post content less. This is the second such edit you've tried. The first was about townbeards on my wagon.

i picked out parts of your post and called THESE PARTS content-less

on aggressive hostile tone you keep repeating about and awkward interactions

and i called out your fight with wake content-less (which starts around here)

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accusation for misrepresenting your townread on wake i find very interesting

3) I thought saying something is "unnatural" wasn't content.

and i'm pretty sure you do know what i'm talking about

you cherry-pick meaning of single word yet completely ignore the context.
that your attitude towards wake fits scum vs scum

[Performer]

Checking in , don't want to get prodded as 3 prods mean force replace. I can't recall a game that grew so rapidly when not even half of day 1 passed - 40+ pages already . That's typically a good thing since it means information is being shared.
I'll have to take some time to do catchup and address things, and possibly do a few ISOs. If I post several posts in a row that will end up in more than 2 pages, don't be alarmed - fair warning.