Pick Your Power 6: The Revival (Game Over!)

[Spiffeh]

I wish Ari and IAI were more involved itg

[pieguyn]

if we're massclaiming, then I'll wait on my point until my turn in the massclaim. I haven't fullclaimed, and this in part involves me claiming something so.

all of Spiffeh's posts on this/the last page make me twitch and are consistent with what scum in his position needs to be doing: creating an alternative mislynch and setting up a dichotomy in order to give him the necessary cred after the Katsuki flip (this second point only applies in a Spiffeh/Katsuki team, but it definitely does not give me reason to second guess myself on it).

[Spiffeh]

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[Spiffeh]

Why did you want me to full claim?

[Cephrir]

i feel it would be best not to finish the massclaim today

[pieguyn]

Why did you want me to full claim?

if we're massclaiming, then I'll wait on my point until my turn in the massclaim. I haven't fullclaimed, and this in part involves me claiming something so.

[I Am Innocent]

Just wondering why spiffeh and ceph waited til N2 to use their ability.

If spiffeh could answer first much appreciated.

Ps - ceph I still have my role doc and would like to add u to the pool of people to consider using it on. What was the ability u used N2 on creature, tracker A or B?

[Cephrir]

Ps - ceph I still have my role doc and would like to add u to the pool of people to consider using it on. What was the ability u used N2 on creature, tracker A or B?

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[Cephrir]

i'm going to answer now because the nuances of my answer are such that it won't affect spiffeh's answer

i waited until night 2 because tracker is an ability that inherently gets better as the game goes on and more scum die (better chance of catching the kill). i would have liked to wait much longer. but when night 2 rolled around i felt that i was looking pretty town and thought i might be nightkilled soon so i decided to just get it off.

[Spiffeh]

I wanted to save it as long as I could and avoid the probable roleblocks that would be used N1 by scum

Then the GI/Muffin thing happened all of Day 2 and I was over it so copped GI to put an end to it

[Katsuki]

THERE IS NO WAY SPIFFEH GETS THIS MISLYNCH WITHOUT DEATH

APPARENTLY IM SUCH BAD SCUM THAT ID TRY AND TIE MY SCUMBUDDY'S LYNCH TO MUFFINMAN LMAO

in what way did you "try and tie ICE's lynch to zmuffin"? that happened irrespective of anything you did, and you had to take *some* stance either way on it.

NOT GI, MURDERCAT

[Katsuki]

i'm going to answer now because the nuances of my answer are such that it won't affect spiffeh's answer

i waited until night 2 because tracker is an ability that inherently gets better as the game goes on and more scum die (better chance of catching the kill). i would have liked to wait much longer. but when night 2 rolled around i felt that i was looking pretty town and thought i might be nightkilled soon so i decided to just get it off.

But no one ever NK's you...

[Cephrir]

that isn't true, also fuck off

[Katsuki]

I'm merely pointing out a hole in your logic.

[Cephrir]

that isn't true, also fuck off

[I Am Innocent]

Katsuki can you provide a couple of town games where you refused to share your reads similar to this one?

[I Am Innocent]

I refuse to draft claim today and so should everyone else

Not going to lie but when I read this from spiffeh D2 I wondered if he had a good power role that he didn't use D1.

It does line up with the cop use N2...

[I Am Innocent]

EBWOP, not D1, N1

[hebichan]

I refuse to draft claim today and so should everyone else

Not going to lie but when I read this from spiffeh D2 I wondered if he had a good power role that he didn't use D1.

It does line up with the cop use N2...

I would refuse to claim if I could.

[I Am Innocent]

I've been a bit lazy the last few pages when I was so close to the end. I'll go back an reread at some point, I need a break.

Spoiler: Aristophanes

137 bad vote
160 this would immediately lead to a CC which would be known by now, correct?
380 Ugh, I find it very scummy when people respond to a scum read with no argument and a town read back. Easy way to buddy up and not have to actually answer anything.
381 Real bad
497 lol wtf is this. Gotta give more than that.
532 UTL had every right to be annoyed there, IMO.
567 Why did you wait so long to say that??
634 Starting to come around on Light looking bad

Spoiler: Cephrir

112 Lol, why do people think fire is new...
138 pointing out the bad vote, I like that.
161 That town slip.
167 That town slip.
411 Town post.
990 lol thank you.

Spoiler: Creature (hiplop)

77, 79 weird Spiffeh vote out of nowhere.
93 Hiplop seems to be drawing scum reads out of a hat.
434 agree
823 Exactly.

Spoiler: Fire Assassin

After 100 posts, fire is obv town.
398 I don't believe you but whatever.

Spoiler: GreyICE

156 Bleh.
183 Yuck.
1126 I played with scum Grey and he raged so much he was force replaced, so I think this is genuine.
1147 I think this is a misguided TvT.
1470 This feels like a legitimate response to me.

Spoiler: hebichan

40 Town reading this claim as well. Scum has better options, even if their goal is to be town read.
709 ugh
1102 These votes on my slot are just bad. People sitting on inctive slots are bad.
1767 I'm agreeing with this.

Spoiler: House

I believe 13 (strongman claim).
535 House still town fyi.
1045 still town

Spoiler: I Am Innocent

104 good vote, following posts feel a bit off though.
351 IAI not really convincing me of anything, the pokes on UTL are strange and not really accomplishing anything.
782 Hmm... Scum who got a town role? Why so quick to soft claim?
864 Lol... Come on.
971 Ari claimed to block the strong too. IAI isn't paying attention.
1027 Flailing.
1395 That might actually be the most NAI post I've ever seen.

Spoiler: Katsuki

157 Also bleh.
201 TSQ, really?
357 Katsuki appears to be selectively posting about things that are irrelevant.
479 Still doing nothing.
732 Worst of the jump ons, IMO.
1287 I'm assuming shit like this is just Kat's MO because no one is saying anything about it.

Spoiler: kuribo (UnexpectedAnvil)

234 This I don't like as much as the other claims. This information is not nearly as important, and it feels like a piggy back on house. (Now I see that he got it, which means it makes sense as scum to claim now as opposed to waiting for a massclaim.) (Also, he could be lying about putting 100 on ninja, this might be worth an auction cop. It's true scum probably doesn't do a 100 on ninja.)
778 pot, kettle, black.
918 That town slip.
1706 Decent reads list.

Spoiler: Lady Lambdadelta

64 This is weirdly aggressive/defensive at the same time. Based on your title, I assume that's your MO? Fire points it out too though.
78 Sheeping the spiffeh vote out of nowhere.
87 Feels fake.
320 good vote
433 I think there's better votes, but I get TSQ pressure. I don't see why you are hard defending.
451 This is reasonable at least.
707 All these jump ons are bad, IMO
889 why
891 This feels real though.
1267 Oh GreyIce is your financee? That tickles me. I feel like this is genuine too.

Spoiler: light_ganski

421 Light continues to just repeat things other people have said.
457 This is noob logic. Scum is trying to look like town, not mess town up (during the day).
821 Light may have been pushed in order to save IAI.

Spoiler: Magua (Thestatusquo)

119 bad vote
477 yuck yuck
524 Thank you, I don't see why Ari is being given a pass
1169 why?
1326 Bad bad bad logic.

Spoiler: pieguyn (UpTooLate)

165 agree
210 That town slip.
219 town post. Hebi is still town though.
227 lol suddenly it's a newbie game.
257 why would you not try to do that?
1785 I think I'm willing to sheep this. I don't have a strong read on that slot otherwise.
1812 Well this slot is probably town. And I think this is a good case for town muffin.

Spoiler: randomidget (drmyshottyizsik) (SuddenlyARabbit)

Still got nothing on this slot through 29 pages.
735 Shotty come on. So many better wagons than this.
837 #FreeShotty
1458 IAI makes a good point about RM here actually.

Spoiler: Spiffeh

172 obvious, but I agree
178 Ugh, I hate naked votes
393 100% agree, I've played with scum fire and this is true.
751 I find myself agreeing with Spiff a lot (when he actually posts).
756 This I disagree with though. There are better wagons.
764 Totally agree
873 Where is this coming from? A lack of activity poke?
879 Why...
957 Legit
1035 Hebi has not really done anything, but I still like her for the claim and there's better options.
1478 According to IAI you are scum for this if UA is lol.

Spoiler: zMuffinMan

131 Relevant?
478 Doing nothing.
Page 29 and I have no reason to think muffin is town, tbh.
849 Obviously they weren't expecting the quick hammer.
912 Is this NAI for Muffin? I feel like this is towny.
941 Finally a post I actually like from muffin.
1077 Muffin is making a lot of sense.
1085 Probably not a target actually, because who gets 3 roles that are also good?
1135 This is a reduction to the point of uselessness.
1380 Hmm. What to make of all of this. Some of it is opinion that I just disagree with. The pushes don't make sense in your opinion, but I hardly see how that's scummy. When reading the posts I don't feel as if they are totally without logic or reason.
1603 And them my claim against you makes you look bad of course.
1614 Assuming no CC, does scum go after this role? I guess it doesn't make no sense... Muffin as town makes more sense though.

Who wants to look for clues?

[I Am Innocent]

{Spiffeh, pieguyn, Cephrir, House}
{Creature, hebichan}
{GreyICE, kuribo, zMuffinMan, randomidget}
{Katsuki, Magua, Lady Lambdadelta}
{I Am Innocent, Aristophanes}

{Spiffeh, pieguyn, Cephrir, House}: These are all people I've been town reading all game for what I think are obvious reasons. I don't really feel the need to go in depth here.

Creature: Creature normally seems very scummy to me. In the game I was in with him where I thought he was scum I was on him for the whole game pretty much. The fact that I find myself agreeing with him and leaning town means he is very probably town.

Hebichan: Feels like obv town, but also hasn't really done that much other than the claim to convince me of that other than the claim. Nothing has looked that scummy to me though.

GreyICE: Honestly, I'm hoping that this takes care of itself tonight. Grey's rage this game feels totally different to the game I played with him when I was scum though.

kuribo: Pretty null. I'll be honest, I skimmed Kurbio's catchup because of the formatting, I will read it in depth eventually though.

zMuffinMan: His day 1 was not great. I felt myself resonating with pieguyn's point that that sort of case/push is very difficult to do as scum and when I first read it I thought it was very townie. Grey's response is convincing though. I don't think the vig claim means he's town, I could easily see scum having one person throw some points into a ton of different slots to pick up whatever gets missed.

randomidget: Slot was mostly null, but IAI made a good point about the oppportunistic vote. I need to see more, I don't really have a strong opinion.

Katsuki: Seriously, why is no one talking about this slot? Katsuki has not done anything. If this is a meta thing someone explain it to me.

Magua: I wasn't really in love with this slot and pieguyn's post about it makes sense to me. I think light was probably pushed in order to save this slot or IAI.

Lady Lambdadelta: I'm trying to not let myself get convinced by AtE here. The rage feels real, but there's other things about this slot I don't like (e.g. the early posting and jump on vote).

IAI: Quick hammer for self-preservation. Why is no one talking about this. Nothing about this slot looks that good to me.

Aristophanes: I didn't really like this slot at any point. What really puts it over the edge is the delayed bid claim. I don't see why any townie would wait so long to out that info or why any townie would hide it in a super long post or why any townie would decide that 500 posts in was a good time to discuss it after deciding it wasn't a good idea earlier. If scum bid 100 on strongman this is how I imagine they would protect themselves from a mass claim later.

And the other key MC post

[Cephrir]

that post looks bad for creature and LLD imo.

[Creature]

Katsuki looks bad in this post tbh.

[Cephrir]

the townread on creature there is just not backed up well at all

[Cephrir]

77, 79 weird Spiffeh vote out of nowhere.
93 Hiplop seems to be drawing scum reads out of a hat.
434 agree
823 Exactly.

particularly when this is all he had to say about the slot before...