New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:21 am

Expecting people to listen to dissent on this site is like trying to dry off a garden with a spoon as the hose is running.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:27 am

Lapsa's response to why he's being openly hostile is insulting my intelligence which basically is an attempt to rile me up and dodge the questions I put forth for him.

We had a wagon on sick of it until we got CCed.

I asked my reads to try and get along, we got 600+700 posts of spam and bickering.

So yeah, let me go.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:31 am

In post 1987, Wake1 wrote:
1) Why now claim VT? What was your reason?

1) because I am sick of playing with people here.

1) That's a terrible reason. Bad play. Only claim when you must.

2) Never base your 'obvTown read' on someone this game on an ongoingone. Not cool. So not cool. I don't think you understand how not cool that shit is.

2) So what? I lie and say Dunn is scum? Dunn is town because ongoing.

2) Play with him based on what's said IN this game or what he's said in past, completed games. I hope you haven't broken any rules here.

3) You were trying to die N1? Why? If you're Town you could be utilized more effectively for Town by staying alive.

3) As a VT really? Come on man.

3) Instead of claiming VT you could have left it at the Mason recant, and then play as Town-Titus would.

1) I must for my mental health.

2) Yeah. Whatever I said about Dunn would be too dumb to scum and emotivate him. Best to keep it at ongoing.

3) Yeah, I am playing as town Titus. Who has been drowned out by spam and ignored. Thanks.

I could have left it as a mason recant but we lynch when a VT claim is uncovered and I want out.

@Transcend, and why would I suppose a vig is intelligent or engaging in the spam?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:34 am

Podog, I finish wat I start.

Second, you fuckers forced the mason claim by being stupid.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:36 am

In post 1991, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1988, Titus wrote:Lapsa's response to why he's being openly hostile is insulting my intelligence which basically is an attempt to rile me up and dodge the questions I put forth for him.

We had a wagon on sick of it until we got CCed.

I asked my reads to try and get along, we got 600+700 posts of spam and bickering.

So yeah, let me go.
YOU and DUNN shouldn't have been calling players dumb, either.

I forget none of it. Whenever it's done it's bad play and hurts Town morale.

Yeah, what do you call wagoning people who are active and disagree with you when site meta says they are to be shot, smart?

Or players who basically put a neon sign on scum but get ignored? That's smart too.

You want to blacklist dumb now?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:39 am

In post 1994, podoboq wrote:
In post 1993, Titus wrote:Second, you fuckers forced the mason claim by being stupid.
This is what I'm talking about. This is not how town acts, and this mentality is anti-town.

No. It's exactly how town acts here that's fed up with seeing mostly lynches on town D1 or some absurd nonsense and getting ignored. Information lynches, deadline lynxes, policy lynches, basically everything BUTscum lynche because the ICs teach hand holding not anything else.

No one teaches cooperation but disagreeing.

No one teaches scumhunting anymore.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:40 am

Town lie. Get over yourselves.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:41 am

So we lynch you for lying about me?

Wake, you know I pull Macho BP gambits all the time.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:42 am

Like I said, let me out or not. Don't drag this out.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:46 am

In post 2003, podoboq wrote:
In post 1998, Titus wrote:Town lie. Get over yourselves.
We're not talking about a simple gambit. If you're being completely honest, you did this with the intention of deceiving the town into townreading a rando in the thread because the only way you could convince people to read him as town was to fake claim. The difference between that and a townie lie is obvious.

Intent of deceiving town? Really? The only deception would be things mafia need to kill.

Both town, no night action.

I went in intending to abuse the retarded site meta of don't lynch masons but Dunn had to be so bad that not even that could save him. Fucking double standards when I am involved.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:49 am

In post 2004, podoboq wrote:Also, if you intended to die n1, then what do you think happens to Dunnstral tomorrow? The nonsense reason we were townreading him just goes away. Plus, he's more likely to be night-killed than you, so you're just getting him killed as well. Not only was fakeclaiming a deceitful, bad idea, but it just doesn't even accomplish you're stated goals. I don't see you making such a terrible decision as town.

Dunn gets mislynched/vigged and y'all realize I was right and out of fucking options.

He's more likely now solely because of I am the Derp wagon of choice. Dunn has a zero percent chance f being a scum night kill. Uncontrollably spammy as fuck with unapologetically bad reads. Why would scum kill him?

It would have if town wasn't full on stunted.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:52 am

In post 2009, podoboq wrote:
In post 2005, Titus wrote:Both town, no night action.
Are you saying that Dunnstral has no night action, or am I misreading this? How would you know anything about Dunnstral's role?

If you knew how to PR hunt, you wouldn't be asking me that. That is a skill I cannot answer but bottom dollar Dunn is a VT.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:54 am

In post 2010, Transcend wrote:Titus: Did you feel Dunn had so much momentum that it warranted you fake claiming mason to save his life?

As far as I remember, I think he only had 4 or 5 votes at most.

I think if you were town that wasn't the smartest thing to do because you baited out the real masons.

I feel there was a better way to get the votes off of Dunnstral than by fake claiming mason.

Really, by saying Dunn is stupid, has a near pathological refusal to cooperate when wrong and basically told us in the first few posts he never would?

I was the other wagon choice. Like holy crap.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:55 am

In post 2012, podoboq wrote:
In post 2006, Wake1 wrote:Don't over-sell it podo, or assume I'm not analyzing each and every one of your sentences either...
I'm sorry, I'm aware people are analyzing what I'm saying, but I have no intention of playing this game with Titus any more. I've never been as angry playing a game, and the fact that some people are looking past this blatant anti-town behavior is fucking flabbergasting.

It was protown as shit.

You do what needs to happen to save town. First rule of being town.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:57 am

In post 2015, podoboq wrote:
In post 2011, Titus wrote:If you knew how to PR hunt, you wouldn't be asking me that. That is a skill I cannot answer but bottom dollar Dunn is a VT.
YOU HAVE CLAIMED VANILLA TOWNIE
THIS IS KNOWLEDGE YOU SIMPLY DON'T HAVE
NO MATTER HOW FANTASTIC YOU THINK YOU ARE AT READING PEOPLE

Yeah, you can. Just because your IC didn't teach the skill doesn't mean hunting isn't a skill.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:58 am

In post 2018, podoboq wrote:
In post 2016, Titus wrote:You do what needs to happen to save town. First rule of being town.
Even if it means outing the actual masons to the scum team, cool, well done.

Yup but Zach and Varsoon are not masons. Just stubborn dicks.

Masons would have daychat here since scum apparently do.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:01 am

In post 2020, podoboq wrote:Also, if you're so sure that Dunn is VT, and you're VT, why out actual power roles, with actual information, in order to save him? It doesn't seem worth it.

We didn't.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:02 am

In post 2021, Transcend wrote:To be fair, when you were being wagoned I asked you politely to calm down and give me a better lynch to pursue besides yourself.

But you continued to WAHHHHH all over the thread instead of being civilized.

Then you resorted to a fake mason claim?

Why couldn't you have just been civilized?

If you're town you hurt us greatly because you fished out masons indirectly.

I did try being calm and civilized. It didn't work because of pride.

This is a justification you are telling yourself.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:03 am

In post 2023, podoboq wrote:
In post 2019, Titus wrote:
In post 2018, podoboq wrote:
In post 2016, Titus wrote:You do what needs to happen to save town. First rule of being town.
Even if it means outing the actual masons to the scum team, cool, well done.
Yup but Zach and Varsoon are not masons. Just stubborn dicks.

Masons would have daychat here since scum apparently do.
Even if that's correct, it doesn't change that you took a stupid risk. implosion and AGar were masons, and they decided to counterclaim? You have no way of controlling whether or not they do, and it's totally your fault if they do.

Agar's not town.

Then my gambit would net us 4 town. On Day 1.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:05 am

In post 2031, podoboq wrote:
In post 2026, Transcend wrote:
LETS STOP SHAMING EACH OTHER AND GET BACK ON TRACK TO THE MATTER AT HAND I.E. FINDING MAFIA
We did

Great. Who do you think they are and when will you listen to people?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:06 am

P.S. if you don't have the game solved, you can vote me and scumhunt.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:10 am

That post wasn't actually me trying to rope myself but telling Po he can still scumhunt.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:11 am

Because big shock Po is town. That's why I never went after his motives.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:12 am

In post 2039, Transcend wrote:I obviously don't have the game solved Titus.

We may be at 82 pages, but a good 30% of them are filler and bullshit that clog the thread.

And even if we were at LYLO I wouldn't have the game solved either.

30% more like 90%.

I don't either but I can town hunt with the best of them.

If you reach lylo, you've done a lot wrong already.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:42 am

In post 2046, Transcend wrote:So implosion who is a better lynch than Titus and yourself?

Not lynching Vars, Dunn, Zach, Wake, Podoboq

Anyone else I'd listen to reason I guess.

In post 2048, Transcend wrote:oh also not lynching performer and probably not shannon either.

Add PV and that's pretty acceptable.

I'd lynch Wake though for the lies.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:47 am

PV is solely there based on Performer vouch.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:48 am

In post 2058, Boem_u_dusi wrote:I think I am not voting Titus, Dunnstral, Varsoon, Zach, Transcend today. First four because they left a lot of content behind so that combined with information from tonight's kills will help us a lot tomorrow to straighten them out, and I've been solidly townreading Transcend lately so that makes five. I'm probably not voting Wake and podoboq. Wake/podoboq are openly cooperating together which is probably very risky for scum to do. I'm also probably not voting Performer because his posts seemed strong to me.

For me, Sickofit remains a solid choice and our best shot at getting scum. His entrance was awkward, he said he's gonna catch up and he didn't do that + there's very real possibility that someone was trying to deflect the attention from him.
Another sane choice is Nosferatu/Vedith. His posts are atrocious. He said he gets bad vibes from implosion and in his last post he just said I'm the scum which was very weird from my point of view. Vedith's posts are also weak but this is a chaotic game so maybe he's having a hard time catching up.
Several people expressed bad gut reads on implosion so I could be persuaded to go ahead and test that hypothesis. TMI is also what worries me here.
PeregrineV also expressed negative gut read on implosion which is weird.

I wouldn't exclude the possibility that people discussing here are all town and that the scumteam is among inactives/lowposters. That happened in my last game.

That's possible.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:09 am

In post 2075, Boem_u_dusi wrote:
In post 2065, Transcend wrote:I haven't really brought any PeregrineV post to mind. I lean town on all all the aforementioned people.
I'm on and off town about Boem.
AGar needs to post more but I think he's towny. Vedith is bleh. Airick is unreadable. Sick is gut town, but only gut nothing else. Need to re-iso Mirhawk. Dunno why I was so sure about A50 being scum because I've evaded that.

I think I've covered my thoughts on everyone. And I'm accounting all mason claims as fake for right now.

{Zach, Podo, Dunn, Wake}
{Titus, Vars, shannon, Performer}
{Sickofitnumbers, Vedith, Boem, Airick, A50, Pere, AGar, Lapsa}
{Mirhawk}
{implosion}

town, townlean, null, scumlean, scum

I have too many null leans and I'll work on those isos at a later time.
It's mutual

Can you two not do this for me until day 2?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:10 am

In post 2077, Lapsa wrote:
In post 2057, Titus wrote:I'd lynch Wake though for the lies.
what did wake lie about?

Everytime he says Town!Titus isn't as devious as scum Titus, it's a lie.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:15 am

In post 2084, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2082, Titus wrote:
In post 2077, Lapsa wrote:
In post 2057, Titus wrote:I'd lynch Wake though for the lies.
what did wake lie about?
Everytime he says Town!Titus isn't as devious as scum Titus, it's a lie.
So you're saying you're being devious this game.

I have never remembered you as being devious as Town when I've played with you Titus.

I DO, however, remember you in GUNDAM Mafia when I was Town and you were Scum. THIS I REMEMBER.

Really? Faking macho bp to get an extra shot as cop. You should remember that?

Gundam Mafia I was not devious. I kissed your ass because you were too proud to compromise.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:37 am

@Wake, Right. Everyone has a say, which means I needed to be heard on Dunn town without breaking the rules.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:47 am

In post 2113, Wake1 wrote:You know, Titus admits to being devious this game.

Shouldn't anyone who care about pro-Town behavior have a thought or two on that?

No. The level of deviousness just is a personality tell. What measures someone is willing to use are irrelevant. Why they do is key.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:48 am

In post 2125, Vedith wrote:
In post 2122, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 2121, Vedith wrote:Dunn is just salty at me in general.
If the town is too stupid to see what Titus did was 100% anti town, then what can you do, eh?
No one is arguing it was anti-town.

That does not change the fact that Titus is town in this play. If you don't want to see that, then you can't call anyone else stupid when you lynch that slot and it flips VT.
This is different to any Titus play I have EVER seen.
Show me a game where this is Titus play and I'll even call Titus Queen fucking town.

Does fake claiming cop on Day 4 to lynch obvious scum count?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:51 am

In post 2132, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2128, Zachstralkita wrote:IT WAS ANTI-TOWN YES

You should not give a fuck because TITUS IS TOWN
You counter-claimng mason was worse

We are not doing this.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:52 am

@Zach, Have you considered Lapsa scum being abnormally dickish?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:58 am

In post 2134, Vedith wrote:
In post 2131, Titus wrote:Does fake claiming cop on Day 4 to lynch obvious scum count?
Lets see it.

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... ia-Awakens

Day 4 was lylo given the SK presence.
Fake claimed nailed scum.

Town consisted of two people who then proceeded to wagon me and a doctor who fake claimed an entire extra kill rather than CC a scum that faked bodyguard and lead a counter wagon away from scum Day 3.

If I did not fake, town would have lost.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:08 am

Why don't you look yourself?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:11 am

Really, asking someone if they are buddies isn't a scumread?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:14 am

I'm vetting him. He is the counter wagon to someone I feel is obvious scum, so I am taking my time.

If it wasn't obvtown, I wouldn't cooperate with you and suppose you were pushing a counter to Sick.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:28 am

In post 2169, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 2166, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2165, Zachstralkita wrote:I'm in favor of most Sick counters considering I believe he's a ML.
You don't really have a reason to believe that though
Except you don't know that so don't fucking say it

Wake88 wrote:So now Zach absolutely refuses to vote Sickofit1138 and wants Vedith lynched.

I feel like at least one of Dunnstral/Zach/Titus is Scum, based on the constant flip-flopping. It's a severe lack of consistency.
Maybe Wake is scum. Notice how he leaves Varsoon out despite the total lack of scumhunting by Varsoon minus the mason claim.

christ i'm going to fucking shoot myself

hello i've been AGAINST sickofit's lynch since BEFORE THE MASON CLAIM SHIT STARTED WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:30 am

In post 2165, Zachstralkita wrote:I'm in favor of most Sick counters considering I believe he's a ML.

And this is why I feel no one listens. It's not so much that you townread Sick but rather it doesn't match what you think you know.

The only difference between that and my approach is that I am open and it tells people what they can do.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:37 am

In post 2174, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 2173, Titus wrote:
In post 2165, Zachstralkita wrote:I'm in favor of most Sick counters considering I believe he's a ML.
And this is why I feel no one listens. It's not so much that you townread Sick but rather it doesn't match what you think you know.

The only difference between that and my approach is that I am open and it tells people what they can do.
I'm like the only one doing this I'm pretty sure most people are in favor of it

Then why does Varsoon want to pursue fake claim lynches, or Lapsa stage a diversion, or half the other garbage in the thread?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:38 am

There's resistance but not of the Sick is town variety.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:46 am

In post 2151, Dunnstral wrote:We're not lynching performer today

Lynches:
Vedith
Sickofit
A50
Lapsa

Policy lynches:
Peregrine
Airick10

When did Lapsa become town to you?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:52 am

In post 2180, Dunnstral wrote:Zach: Lapsa is town

But he's town now?

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:01 am

Hmmph...

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:04 am

In post 2192, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2187, Dunnstral wrote:No, that's what zach would say
Who was this directed towards?

Me. I was checking if Dunn 180ed his position.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:15 am

In post 462, Lapsa wrote:
In post 458, Titus wrote: Really? I am dead silent?

Like fuck, intelligence is dead.
pull your shit together

VOTE: Titus

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:21 am

In post 734, Lapsa wrote:
In post 730, Zachstralkita wrote:And the fact that a lot of her posts suck? Yes I know that's coming from ME.
oh... i finally get it!

VOTE: Titus

In post 732, Zachstralkita wrote:Why don't you question Mirhawk on some stuff?
and you?

In post 1948, Lapsa wrote:VOTE: Titus

Let's go for 3

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:24 am

VOTE: Lapsa

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:49 am

In post 2239, Lapsa wrote:parking my vote on titus

have fun

So many words I cannot say right now...

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:57 am

In post 2243, Zachstralkita wrote:
Lapsa wrote:also - won't defend myself, won't answer any questions

will prod dodge and occasionally remind that titus is dumb

Yeah, and now you're intentionally being unhelpful. I don't see a reason to keep you here.

Can someone familiar with Lapsa tell me if he's normally like this?

He's not. That's why I asked him. He says Titus you're dumb every time.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:58 am

In post 2247, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 2246, Dunnstral wrote:OK Peregrine is probably town to be honest...
I hate you.

He's made like 4-5 posts since he came back and you just label him town. You give out townreads too easy.

It's PV.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:33 am

I am starting to come around on Vedith.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:37 pm

And that's why I fake claimed in the first place.

No one scumreads me or Dunn.

It's a policy lynch to protect scum. Bad unpopular reads or just anything to avoid progressing the game.

Town have to unify to fight this or this will be a drag no one wants to read because town are not voting me minus Shannon and podog. Townread on Varsoon lost but he's unlynchable.

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:57 pm

Agar, misreps of scum meta
Vedith, vanished after being called out for his stance on me and faced with opposing evidence
Lapsa, Unwarranted hostility, votepark, refusal to answer questions, lied about having voted me and passed it off as semantics

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:07 pm

VOTE: Vedith

Titus · Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:37 pm

So, did you answer my questions about why you're abnormally hostile (you're dumb does not count)
You have claimed to vote park me
And you said you never voted for me

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:31 am

In post 2304, Boem_u_dusi wrote:
In post 2302, Transcend wrote:
In post 2290, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: Titus
If only because absolutely no one has any love for my Dunnstral wagon.
Fuck like
You morons, I CALLED OUT SOMEONE FAKE-CLAIMING MASONS, CAUGHT THEM, AND EXPOSED HOW ANTI-TOWN THEY WERE AND YOU'RE STILL TOWNREADING THEM!?!

We've already lost before we've begun.
I actually really don't like this post.
Seems agenda-y.

I don't see Dunn and Titus running away with this if they are both scum + there's a plenty of time to ISO and discuss them tomorrow.

Varsoon has been going after us to specifically with no other thoughts. I would like to see his thoughts on the rest of the game state.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:38 am

Fucking a.

You were even getting both me and Dunn on your favorite lynch Zach and you're still crying.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:47 am

In post 2332, Zachstralkita wrote:Who's crying? LOL

You. There's no satisfying the both of you, and that's what we need for a scum lynch.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:06 pm

VOTE: Agar

I can so get on board with Agar wagon.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:02 pm

In post 2376, Almost50 wrote:OK.. call me naive, but I think I finally found the reason behind me having so many town reads. It's bc everytime some says they're STRONGLY against a lynch I tell myself they can't be scum together, bc scum wouldn't be stupid enough to defend a scum buddy that blatantly.

My options now are limited, and I might literally just sheep someone today. HOWEVER, even that proves to be a major pain in my butt! Why? Because I hardly know anyone here aside from Titus and Peregrine and.. Dunn. Everyone else I may have just one finished game with or none at all (I know Varsoon as a mod, but I've only ever played with him once and he died on N1).

So, no meta reads and my reads based on content are obviously off (and I keep myself it will work itself out with a flip or two, which we are bound to have by the start of D2).

UNVOTE:

OK, Titus, Varsoon & Zach: Are you willing to compromise on Sick?? Also, which one of you is opposing a Vedith lynch? (I know Dunn was, but is there anyone else?)

In post 2377, Zachstralkita wrote:Fuck no, I want Vedith.

Yes. I am fine with sick or Vedith.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:04 pm

@Varsoon, I wanted consolidation 50 pages ago on decent wagons.

Why haven't you taken the time to read people who refuse to get on wagons? Their ISOs are smaller no?

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:38 pm

In post 2386, podoboq wrote:prod dodge

In post 2041, podoboq wrote:I will not vote for anyone other than Titus or Dunnstral today. What they did is unforgivable if they're town, and probably scummy.

We can obviously still look for scum, but as far as I'm concerned, there is basically no situation in which we can find a slot which is more likely scum on day one.

If someone can show me any better evidence of scum, I'll change my tune, but for right now, I'm gonna go take a hot bath, calm down, then play some video games.
VOTE: Titus
Just a reminder. This is my stance for basically the rest of the day, and maybe the game. This game isn't worth playing if a person who fake claims mason to gain towncred for somebody and spends the entire game sowing chaos and discontent in the town remains.

Wow, zombie lie about me sowing discontent again when the last 40 pages have been me trying to get people to agree on a wagon.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:40 pm

@Dunn/Zack,

Here's an idea. Take the player list. Take turns crossing names off of your biggest townreads. Lynch whoever remains. Just fucking agree already.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:48 pm

In post 2391, podoboq wrote:
In post 2387, Titus wrote:Wow, zombie lie about me sowing discontent again when the last 40 pages have been me trying to get people to agree on a wagon.
Your garbage, useless mason gambit created 30+ pages worth of garbage uselessness. Whether or not you intended it as scum (which you did), you created the problem.

Yes, now instead of sowing discord, we're back to policy lynch.

Like this is whack a mole scum bullshit edition.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:49 pm

In post 2392, podoboq wrote:
In post 2390, Zachstralkita wrote:I can't stand for that mandatory fakeclaiming is scum on principle bullshit, by the way.
Then lynch me on principle.

Or how about you play the game?

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:49 pm

And stop sowing discord

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:56 pm

I had no other choice. It was mason claim, break the rules, or certain town lynch. I wouldn't have done it if there was any other way.

I am NOT responsible for people not reacting according to site meta.

And if we lynch scum and Dunn flips town, it will absolutely be worth it.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:58 pm

In post 2406, podoboq wrote:
In post 2403, Performer wrote:@podo I know what you mean, as I 've considered replacing out as well. 1 or 2 people fake claiming on d1 is horrendous enough, but 4 people?? Good grief.
If we don't resolve any of this by day 2, I'm just leaving. I never thought there would be a game so bad I wanted to replace out of it, but I just can't work with people who genuinely don't have their own self interest in mind.

If anything, the problem is the inverse. People are too busy playing TO their own self interest.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:06 pm

Yes, from my perspective I cannot say why. That would be breaking the rules.

So I was stuck with game throwing (deliberately letting Dunn be lynched) or fake claiming to save him

The former makes me more like able but is an outright ban able offense.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:07 pm

In post 2413, podoboq wrote:Also, reminder, the leading wagon when Titus claimed was HERSELF. Not Dunnstral. Who was she saving from a lynch.

I believe he was but I am even MORE certain town than Dunn. He was the alternative.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:14 pm

In post 2418, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2414, Titus wrote:Yes, from my perspective I cannot say why. That would be breaking the rules.

So I was stuck with game throwing (deliberately letting Dunn be lynched) or fake claiming to save him

The former makes me more like able but is an outright ban able offense.

@ GIF, could you clarify your position on this?

I'm not liking how you're saying "don't lynch Dunnstral because ~ongoing~ game. That sucks because you can keep saying no while not ever explaining yourself. This is why it shouldn't be done in the first place.

Why else do you think I fake claimed mason?

Certainly wasn't to survive. Policy is to lynch all mason claims @ lylo plus 1 day if not nked.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:17 pm

It WAS the only way to remain in compliance. You think I like being told I am a dick, useless, damaging, disruptive, bad or anything else? No. That's not useful as either alignment. So, why do it?

I had no other choice. Scum can wait until l minus 1 and hope shit blows over or PR claim. I couldn't. Masons, although not ideal, was the only way not to cheat.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:26 pm

In post 2429, podoboq wrote:
In post 2426, Airick10 wrote:
In post 2375, AGar wrote: We spent some 40-50 pages dealing with two sets of mason claims, all of which are bullshit. Multiple people who were voting Titus have since said "I won't vote Titus today." Go and read the fucking thread and see it for yourself dickweed. Don't lurk your ass of for the whole game and then opportunistically NOT KNOW what the fuck is going on and claim "Hurr durr you left L-4 to go to L-6." You're both fucking stupid and need to read the game.

There is logic. We need
something
of fucking use to happen for now. If that means wagonning up Vedith, I'm all for it. He's been absolute shit since he came in, and he replaced a slot that contributed nothing, so we might as well consider him a fresh start. Am I pissed that we're not going to powerlynch the fuck out of scumbag Titus today? Absolutely. But don't be part of the dipshit brigade, this is a logical and intentional move.
I have read the last 2 days of the game. After V/LA, I simply gave up on the first 3 days reading through 60+ pages. However... yes I acknowledged in post 2309 that the town maybe open to discussing Dunn/Titus further in D2.

That being said, you've had a vote on Titus throughout 100+ pages of posts. Titus is also the closest to be lynched now. I do not find it logical to bail on her to follow the Vedith wagon. The first thing you mention is that he's been absolute shit since he came in. There's no logic there. If you want to say he hasn't contributed, fine. If you come out and say you feel more confident Vedith is scum, fine. But don't try to come across that you casted a logical vote blaming the town on not riding the Titus vote.
Airick10 is town. Congratulations, you win the right to be ignored and not cooperated with.

Now, this is outright anti-town.

I had to do what I did. You can play the game.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:27 pm

In post 2428, podoboq wrote:
In post 2423, Titus wrote:Certainly wasn't to survive. Policy is to lynch all mason claims @ lylo plus 1 day if not nked.
Good to know. Next time I'm scum in a group of three or more, we'll all just claim masons, and win the game. Easy. You claimed to survive
longer
, which is totally worth it, especially if you have a valuable night action, and if you're killing the smart players who know to lynch you.

That would be lynch at 7 alive.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:28 pm

Derp 9 alive.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:31 pm

In post 2435, Dunnstral wrote:The reason we can't move forward is because players like podoboq and varsoon don't want to talk about anything but the mason claims and won't pick a real lynch target/play the game

Yeah, but if we all work together we can. P.s. Did you read Air's comments on Agar?

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:32 pm

In post 2440, Dunnstral wrote:Not sure where everyone pulled these numbers from, lylo at 9 players, 3 days to get there, guess I'm just less informed of the setup or people are making absolutely massive assumptions

No. I was talking to po dog about mason claims and how to handle them. I think he's just going to troll though.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:05 pm

In post 2465, Wake1 wrote:Podoboq, if you suspect a player is Scum, and you're Town, you have every right to voice that opinion in-thread.

Don't allow anyone to try to silence you.

There's nothing stopping him from berating me in every post and scumhunting. He just elects not to.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:06 pm

In post 2470, Lapsa wrote:when townie fake claims and wishes to come clean about it - he's automatically moved into total sucker position

i ripped my ass off trying to explain in details my thought process

in this game - neither i understand why titus is townreading dunnstral, neither i understand necessity for such gambit.
there were like 4 votes on dunn? that's far from getting lynched.
and i don't buy an argument that fake claim was necessary to avoid outing dunn's hypothetical PR

it's just bullshit

in contrast - zach & varsoon STARTED by explaining whole concept of their cc

I have only said it 100000 times. I cannot explain why I town read Dunn because it would break site rules.

It's rehashing again. Whack a mole.

Titus · Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:10 pm

In post 2467, Wake1 wrote:
I want to know why there's been so much flip-flopping going on.

Scum want me lynched, but they want town to do it.

Titus · Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:01 am

I find that speculation garbage D1. More resistance to wagons on people being scumread versus a policy lynch strongly suggests single ball for what it's worth.

Titus · Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:31 am

In post 2517, Airick10 wrote:
In post 2513, Zachstralkita wrote:the agar wagon is just an excuse for people who don't want to be scrutinized for leaving the titus wagon
From what I see, no one voting for AGar now was on the Titus wagon.

Seconded. I don't think I need an excuse not to be on the lapsa wagon.

Titus · Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:32 am

*Titus wagon. Lol. Distracted

Titus · Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:35 am

In post 2521, Airick10 wrote:
In post 2516, Almost50 wrote:Trying to get players mod-killed IS in fact a scum tell.
I'd correct this in saying it's a scum move. Way too overt to be a tell. Eh, potato potahto

Lately people abuse scum tell when they mean scum indicator. It's not townie regardless.

Titus · Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:39 am

In post 2524, Lapsa wrote:
In post 2478, Lapsa wrote:
In post 2476, Titus wrote:Scum want me lynched, but they want town to do it.
name them. who are scum and how exactly they are pushing for your lynch?

I have already answered that specifically in my ISO as the events occurred.

You want more than that, answer my questions.

Titus · Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:50 am

@Shannon, When you keep voting town for being anti-town rather than finding scum, you give scum an excuse to do that too, creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

Right now, there's two decent cases. One, Agar's move was terribly scummy and logically inconsistent. Second, Mirhawk "slipped" that masons should have daytalk, likely because he did. Even if you feel overwhelmed to where you cannot give reads, you can at least look those over.

This mason thing is a huge deal because you let it be.

Titus · Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:36 am

In post 2598, beeboy wrote:Also has my predecessor mentioned I am a miller?

No.

Titus · Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:37 am

In post 2595, beeboy wrote:
In post 2591, Almost50 wrote:First and foremost I have reason to believe Varsoon's absence was very much justified by RL events. I know for a fact he hasn't been available all over the site and I know why too (don't ask).

Varsoon strikes me as a player who is relying on both guts and emotions, which does explain his Dunn vote (no offense, but you ARE annoying to some, Dunn).

At this point I don't care whether Varsoon is a mason or not. The very fact that he called Titus' trick out and was very persistent makes him town in my eyes. There is absolutely no scum motivation in going out of your way to call someone on a fake claim like that. I only wish he could get over his overwhelming obsession with Dunn/Titus and start scum hunting elsewhere.
Just so you know when I faked claimed Masons the main people calling my claim fake where scum players. So your entire town case for Varsoon is incredibly meh in my eyes.

Varsoon has done no scumhunting and deliberately fake CCed for his ego.

Unforunately, people townread that. You should join me on Agar?

Titus · Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:59 pm

In post 2624, Dunnstral wrote:I want to lynch one of lapsa/mirhawk today

I'd lynch Lapsa. Mirhawk I don't like but would lynch at deadline.

Titus · Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:54 pm

In post 2635, AGar wrote:
In post 2630, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2627, AGar wrote:
In post 2620, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2619, AGar wrote: Dunn is probtown, with Zack and Wake. (Hey guys, note that all 3 of these players are also saying they won't lynch Titus, and are pretty universally being town-read. When three players won't lynch someone that are being fairly townread across the board... see above. Then think about how fucking stupid the idea that "AGAR UNVOTED TITUS HERP DA DERP" is. And then go fuck yourselves.)
AGar, if you're referring to me please note where my current vote is.
You also posted this prior to me unvoting. Link Your revote came after my unvote and the wagon on me picked up steam.
That's irrelevant. If you're Town good job trying to dump shade on me when I've been going after Titus all Day. I'm frustrated with this game because Titus is the better lynch, and like usually happens I'll be shown to be correct during mid/late game. If people don't want to lynch Titus today, fine, but that will not make me change my vote.
No, it was entirely relevant to why I switched. I would also like to see Titus lynched today, but I realize that the sway necessary to make that happen is gone. I'm not trying to dump shade on anyone (what the fuck does that even mean?), I am simply stating the facts that had caused me to switch my vote since I'm being crucified for acting in the best interest of the town and trying to generate something rather than parking my vote on a wagon that, while I think it would be ideal, was clearly stagnant at that point in time, and seems highly unlikely to pick up any fresh steam.

And quit with the mightier than thou bullshit. Sometimes, as town, you abandon what you think is your strongest read, because you just don't have the means to convince everyone else, in order to facilitate a successful lynch or generate pressure, because without either of those things, we stand little-to-no chance.

I really like this.

Agar, can you review the Mirhawk and Lapsa cases and tell me what you think?

UNVOTE:

Titus · Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:04 pm

VOTE: Vedith

I see little problem with the people on the Vedith wagon. Let's go.

Titus · Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:23 pm

The thread as a whole wants the day to end. The wagon standard is pretty much, can the wagon hit scum? Is it a lynch based in scummy behavior? Is wagon makeup ok?

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:44 am

@Wake, Any reason we shouldn't wagon you for being a cherrypicker?

Vedith, as scum, tunnelled my slot as nearly the most exclusive content it provided. It was hard defended by people focusing exclusively on me. Scum do that shot to try to persuade more people to tunnel on me. My Now read sucked, but I came around on Vedith and it was my vote that swung Vedith to his death.

There's absolutely zero reason to lynch me today. None.

You can try Wake but I am pretty obviously town.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:46 am

I want to wagon Wake or Varsoon, depending on Wake's answer.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:47 am

In post 2773, Wake1 wrote:We should be looking more at
early
player interactions with Nosferatu, not Vedith.

Read: I am going to cherrypick that Titus was wrong at first and then changed her mind.

VOTE: Wake

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:49 am

In post 2775, Zachstralkita wrote:
Titus wrote:I want to wagon Wake or Varsoon, depending on Wake's answer.
Do your scumreads ever exist outside of people that vote you?

Yes.

I remove liars and cherrypickers first.
The lurkers and avoiders of content or drama stirrers.

Wake is the first. Varsoon is the second.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:53 am

I should have included a caveat there that forced gambits are not in that category.

Well we are going to have problems on wagon selection because I was the counter to Vedith so my wagon is the natural place to look for scum.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:59 am

Zach, the game rules made me. It's a pretty small one.

If Dunn died, the gambit would be fine. I would have been proven right and the fact I couldn't defend him from lynch makes my actions more understandable.

Scum bussed Vedith when they could lol policy lynch me? No. My wagon was chock full of scum.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:01 am

In post 2782, Wake1 wrote:Titus in my opinion should be the lynch for today.

Before Vedith started messing up on that slot there was Nosferatu, and what we should do is pay attention to all of the player interactions involving Nosferatu.

Throughout Nosferatu's existence Zach has been fine with voting/lynching Nosferatu.

Take note in my 2753 that Lapsa was right about Nosferatu in 419, 739, and 1036.

Transcend was favorable to Nosferatu in 179 and 965.

Titus refused to vote for Nosferatu in 1138 because I voted for Nosferatu.

I'm townreading Zach and Scumreading Titus right now.

^^ needs to die to progress the game. Tunnelling obvious town again. Keeping game state stagnant again. Ignores reality that Vedith was my counter.

Ignores my vote giving momentum for Vedith lynch.

He's going to be a chump and just be scummy noise all game.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:07 am

Beeboy, Not sure what you're reading but continuing a wagon scum want and cherry picking to do it is not townie...at all.

Zach, why wouldn't scum policy lynch me? Zero content, zero risk. Scum is the main counter in Vedith. Your Varsoon and Wake reads such. Beeboy is likely town. Also look at podog when I make that statement. Lapsa (town) said he'd tunnel me to no end. Easy content less pushes is where scum are.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:15 am

In post 2789, Zachstralkita wrote:
Titus wrote:
Zach, why wouldn't scum policy lynch me? Zero content, zero risk. Scum is the main counter in Vedith. Your Varsoon and Wake reads such. Beeboy is likely town. Also look at podog when I make that statement. Lapsa (town) said he'd tunnel me to no end. Easy content less pushes is where scum are.
If scum want to look better able to defend themselves they wouldn't go for an easy lynch.

But again, they could have been split up on both of the wagons. It does not have to be black or white.

Your tunnel on Wake is the worst possible thing that could happen this game. Varsoon isn't a good choice either. I urge you to re-analyze your decisions.

Oh, I see more do what I want threats.

Why are you intent on having me lie? Your choice is suddenly townread people hellbent on being scummy or else.

From MY perspective, Varsoon has tunnelled exclusively on town, CCed solely so that I would remain lynchable AND tunneled me with no comment on anyone else. Varsoon fits the profile of how I scumhunt on who should be scum. So why are you townreading him?

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:19 am

P.S. Wake's recent posting is blatant psychological manipulation. By putting Titus, Nos and the color red together, he wants players to associate these things together and is trying to use underhanded tactics and ignore what goes against him.

Oh wow and now Wake is trying to get town to vote me while abandoning any pretense I can be proven scum because he cherrypicks and even Zach knows it.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:21 am

Wake is trying to sell you that what cannot be controlled = proscum. Bad move. Scum seek control of a game state. Town seek to remove scum.

@Zach, I don't care for a Performer lynch. Just nope. I will get out of your way because you saw Nos first, but I am not lending my vote because I think you are wrong.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:22 am

Wake, thoughts on Varsoon?

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:27 am

Then let me back out of the thread. Wake is going to do nothing but tunnel me drowning out everyone else, and I read others by iteracting with them and how they interact with others. I will also not be interrupting your Performer push. Wake has to prove himself town. You cannot. I have had some suspicion on Wake since before he entered and his checkbox post didn't help. Cherry picking is scummy. Wake has to do something townie for me to townread him. Which means getting out of the thread so your Performer push can happen and YOU can see you are wrong.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:32 am

In post 2805, Wake1 wrote:
Why did you constantly refuse to vote
Nosferatu
Titus?

Again, I thought e was town and scum Wake wanted it. You backed off Now and pushed me. Vedith also obvscummed the slot.

So, why did you refuse to vote Vedith and instead try to flip the lynch onto me? Why do you refuse to see anything that goes against your predecided tunnel from yesterday?

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:33 am

In post 2808, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2802, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2801, Zachstralkita wrote: IF THIS IS THE PRIMARY TOPIC OF OUR DAY WE ARE GOING TO BE FUCKED.
We have not even begun to fight.

Hell, I haven't even brought out my Annihilator Beam this game.

That's because it's replaced by checkboxes.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:46 am

@Wake, So in your own words a "weak gut read" is worth tunnelling the thread, deliberately panting false associations, ignoring evidence tat you are wrong, and not scumhunting. Great, and you complain about me fakeclaiming masons to not game throw.

Your entry into the thread. It is pointless questions to interact with people.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:49 am

In post 2815, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2813, Varsoon wrote:I'm here but not really.
That won't cut it any more.

You're also in my lynchpool.

Great. We both want to pressure Varsoon. We can tunnel eachother or get more reactions from each other as we play.

Your move.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:50 am

In post 2816, podoboq wrote:I'm going to be skimming for a bit. I got food poisoning last night, so I don't really feel up to a lot right now.

I was wrong about Vedith. I'm probably wrong about AGar. I might be wrong about Titus. I'm not wrong about Wake.

Actually if Wake is town, your RVS increases your odds of being scum.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:58 am

I get why Dunn takes that shot.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:03 pm

In post 2926, Dunnstral wrote:What do you think of my claim?

I don't think I should answer that. Obvious reasons.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:04 pm

In post 2927, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2925, Titus wrote:I get why Dunn takes that shot.
Then why?

He said it was because he was after Lapsa and two others, but I want to know the clincher that made him kill Lapsa.

Same reason that I claimed Dunn as a mason.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:25 pm

In post 2950, Zachstralkita wrote:Except that's speculation and you vigged Lapsa lol

Why would you claim the kill instead of trying to draw tonight's NK? You already used your shot and you haven't really been game solving... just sheeping Titus

Where do you get this impression? I am finding Dunn to be difficult to work with myself.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:35 pm

In post 2954, Dunnstral wrote:Titus you didn't answer what I asked you

Which post? This thread is moving too fast.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 2964, Almost50 wrote:OK.. I'm totally lost, so you guys work it out.

1- I'm the Jailkeeper
2- Dunn didn't shoot Lapsa bc I Jailed HIM (Dunn).
3- I let him go with it to see if he was faking, and it looks to me that he totally believed his shit, so he may still be a vig and all, but he DID NOT SHOOT LAPSA! Period.

Pardon but what?

If Lapsa was actually jailed, then Lapsa wouldn't be dead.

Seems more likely that you were blocked if you're the jailkeeper.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:40 pm

On this site, people are not informed of roleblocks.

Investigates get "no result" when blocked so they can suspect.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:44 pm

@Dunn, a mafia flip with a Neapolitan suggests NOT multiball.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:46 pm

In post 2972, Almost50 wrote:I didn't want to claim either, because I figured it would be best play, but Dunn's misleading the town leading us in circles and it HAS TO STOP NOW!

Why does Dunn randomly claim the shot if NOT actually the one that shot Lapsa?

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:46 pm

In post 2973, Dunnstral wrote:Titus can you answer what you think of my claim anyways?

I thought I said that it was anti-town to do so.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:48 pm

In post 2978, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2975, Titus wrote:
In post 2973, Dunnstral wrote:Titus can you answer what you think of my claim anyways?
I thought I said that it was anti-town to do so.
Why were you saying I was VT on day 1.

I don't feel like that's protown to answer.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:49 pm

In post 2981, Dunnstral wrote:Also how is it anti-town to claim the shot when I think I've done it?

From my pov mafia kill failed and I didn't want people analyzing my vig shot (which is used up, by the way, it's non-normal to refund shots) as if it were the mafia kill

That wasn't your question.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:04 pm

UNVOTE: Wake

I'm going to vote Performer or Mirhawk. I have not decided which. Both might be scum.

Titus · Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:59 pm

VOTE: Performer

I don't think a case had been presented but the lack of pull Zach has given yesterday bothers me. So let's reaction fish.

Titus · Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:06 am

Airlick, Mirhawk thoughts?

Titus · Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:38 am

Prod dodge not feeling well. Across all games.

Titus · Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:11 am

In post 3167, podoboq wrote:VOTE: Titus
I continue to trust Wake more than any other player in this game, and I think it's
adorable
infuriating how all the fake masons seem to be intentionally misunderstanding his read on the Nos interactions.

By the way, still feeling like shit somehow. Sorry for the inactivity.

PS: I could see Mirhawk as scum. He wasn't this lurky when I played with him as town in Musical Mafia.

You're scum aren't you?

Mirhawk v Performer, which is scumier?

Titus · Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:49 am

@Podog, the "logic" is that I changed my mid and triggered a mad rush to lynch scum.

Why did you dodge my question? Answering which of mirhawk/performer is scummier doesn't require you to move your vote. You should be able to state reads on the slot even if "cases" haven't been made. It wasn't like there was a "case" on Vedith as well.

Titus · Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:04 am

@podog, if you didn't think "Mirhawk v Performer" which is scummier was directed at you, why did you feel compelled to respond to a suggestion of changing your vote?

@Varsoon, get reads right...well you can start by commenting on Mirhawk v Performer.

@All, BothMirhawk and Performer wagons are all town.

Titus · Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:12 am

In post 3189, Varsoon wrote:Why are you billing it as "mirhawk v Performer"?
Neither is voting the other.

They're both scum. That's why. Second, billing it is a really pejorative way of stating the obvious Varsoon.

We have two wholly town wagons that cannot agree with Wake Varsoon and podog desperately trying to sell a Titus wagon again.

It's deja vu.

Titus · Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:29 am

@Beeboy, Why is Varsoon townie? Wake at least put some selective meat onto his tunnel.

@Wake, Mirhawk has not done anything since attempting to rile up the T v T I had with Zach. He had little interaction with Vedith. His sole comment were that "smart" people would not vote Vedith but vote Shannon. He also highlighted a soft PR claim by Vedith. Vedith/No's has one post soft defending Vedith before the claim.

Performer hard defended Vedith/Nos until things took off. Like always an excuse to vote elsewhere hard defense. Not strong by itself but Zach having no clout after tunnelling scum yesterday is telling.

Performer and Mirhawk also look like buddies in their ISOs of each other.

Titus · Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:30 am

In post 3195, Varsoon wrote:
In post 3192, Titus wrote:
In post 3189, Varsoon wrote:Why are you billing it as "mirhawk v Performer"?
Neither is voting the other.
They're both scum. That's why. Second, billing it is a really pejorative way of stating the obvious Varsoon.

We have two wholly town wagons that cannot agree with Wake Varsoon and podog desperately trying to sell a Titus wagon again.

It's deja vu.
No, I want to know why Titus thinks these people are scum and why she's willing to shell out a townread on all players sitting on either wagon as an appeasement to keep them from hopping on her.

Loaded statement at the end. Almost the entire wagons are people who did not want me lynched yesterday and voted Vedith.

Titus · Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:37 am

No. I was why the wagon swung Wake. There's a difference in the defenses. I believed Now/Vedith was town when I defended. Performer kept saying Vedith/Nos bad, vote elsewhere.

Titus · Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:42 am

In post 3201, beeboy wrote:
In post 3196, Titus wrote:@Beeboy, Why is Varsoon townie? Wake at least put some selective meat onto his tunnel.
He wouldn't do that janky counter claim stuff as scum.
You can keep trying to scum hunt him if you want I am just going to skim over it.

Yes he would. It's the only way he could justify keeping me in his scumpool. But ok, I get it. You're going to hard townread him for a scum gambit.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:30 am

VOTE: implosion

Implosion wagon is 1-4 town, 5th is lean scum bus position.
Mirhawk wagon is Lean town (Lt), ?, T, Lt, T

Let's see what happens. Performer won't happen without Zach's help.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:51 am

@Wake, Agar has done plenty. He obvtowned. Some players don't need as many posts as I do.

You attempting to only throw shade at obvtown players is why I cannot trust you. You're acting like a caged hen with nowhere to go.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:58 am

@Boem - His very strong push leading the charge on Vedith immediately after subbing in.

If Wake stops attacking obvtown and starts scumhunting the "bickering" will stop. Even if I cannot get him lynched, the group needs to see his throwing shade on obvtown and praying for counters and not wanting to make decisions.

P-edit, Like that last post. Wake calls me slimy without backing it up. It's designed just to throw shade at my while claiming I am underhanded.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:06 am

In post 3270, Boem_u_dusi wrote:
In post 3269, Titus wrote:@Boem - His very strong push leading the charge on Vedith immediately after subbing in.
Did you mix something up? Airick10 voted AGar, he never voted Vedith. And he didn't sub in. I think you're talking about beeboy.

Umm what? I will check that when I feel better.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:09 am

In post 3271, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 2803, Titus wrote:Then let me back out of the thread. Wake is going to do nothing but tunnel me drowning out everyone else, and I read others by iteracting with them and how they interact with others. I will also not be interrupting your Performer push. Wake has to prove himself town. You cannot. I have had some suspicion on Wake since before he entered and his checkbox post didn't help. Cherry picking is scummy. Wake has to do something townie for me to townread him. Which means getting out of the thread so your Performer push can happen and YOU can see you are wrong.

Hey Titus, what changed? Do you believe in miracles now?

Nope. Wake's still flailing. Performer push was dead as always but we got scumhunting out of it. It scares me that the performer push did die gives you me and Dunn supported it.

If you have some ace in the hole, you might want to play it.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:13 am

Podo is scum or terribly anti-town. Could lynch there.

Airlick I strongly feel is town but my cold + site down has likely fucked with my brain. Need to review but don't wanna lynch there.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:22 am

Zach, I am voting the largest wagon my townreads are pushing at the moment. Get more votes on Performer, I will go back.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:28 am

Why are you threatening podog Wake? He's doing exactly what you are but less dramatically so.

VOTE: podog

Ok, but you are carrying the weight here. My cold is bad plus scum will paint this as evil omgus.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:33 am

@Wake "if you want to live" isn't a threat to kill him in game? Asking a game mod to intervene because I read you as threatening to lynch someone like wtf my cold is bad but not THAT bad.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:25 am

In post 3312, Wake1 wrote:
In post 3301, podoboq wrote:
In post 3281, Wake1 wrote:Pododboq if you're Town and you want to live, follow me. I need you to come in here and be more active—at least with me—and share more of your thoughts on this game.

I'll be waiting for you to post.
Honesty time!

This game has taken a back seat to just about everything else I'm doing, because I am super demoralized having to play this game with the incredibly fun suck that is Titus's mason gambit. It's bad play, and the way she's treated other people I consider disrespectful, unsportsmanlike, and unsettling to the point that it made me want to replace out. Instead of doing that, I've decided to just read, refrain from posting often, and only jump in if I need to dodge a prod or if there's something that's legit worth discussing that I think nobody else is going to bring up.

There have been two RL days since day 2 started. Most of it has been nothing. I still don't see any case on Performer (WHY IS NOBODY ACTUALLY EXPLAINING THEIR SCUMREAD ON PERFORMER) or Mirhawk (WHY), so I'm just sitting back watching. Plus, my biggest problem in games like this has usually been talking too much. So I'm trying out being quiet. Especially since I was a huge townread of other players, I thought backing off and letting other people have the spotlight would be a good idea.
People are giving Zach/Titus/Dunn way too much power, and at least one of them is pretty stupid, and at least two have lied to us to our faces repeatedly with the Mason lie. Now we're forced to believe that the only kill Night 1 was conveniently by Dunn, the Town '1-Shot' Vig who killed Lapsa. Yeah, no other kills at all. We can't trust Dunn because he already lied to us for over a hundred posts. A thousand even if that's how long the Mason turd gambit went. This Titus is machiavellian, plain and simple. Here I am Town as hell and she keeps twisting my words and telling me that I'm saying things that I'm not, and frankly I remember this from the games we were in where she was Scum.

She's acting that way to destroy Town morale. It's obvious.

If you are Town and you realize I'm Town, work with me on every single issue on this game from this point on and stay active. We need to not allow the lines of communication to break down, and if other players are receptive to listening and sharing we should have them join as well. If we create this Townbloc where we defend each other and stay in constant communication, it'll look insanely suspicious if Scum dared try to target any of us (well, not me, because we'd both be dead).

I'm not convinced by the Performer/implosion/mirhawk cases. Just, no. Scum already lost someone so now they're bound and determined to not see it happen again. Why do you think they're constantly going out of their way to NOT listen? It's blatantly obvious. And Scum thinks writing me off as obvTown but not listening to anything I have to say will placate me somehow, as if that's ever worked.

Engagement is extremely important, so with that posts do come. That's part of the game. The game already has 130 pages, so being real active and participating isn't going to change that one whit. You're better up stepping up to the plate and showing me that you care and that you want to find Scum just as much as I do. Let's work together, and make some changes before we're picked off one by one, exactly how Scum wants it. I really hope implosion and mirhawk are listening and are intent on surviving if they're Town.

Zach/Dunn/Titus shade here. Notice how he's saying a naturally occurring group of people townreading each other is bad. This is an indirect defense of the Performer wagon, as it is the only place where the three of us agreed. The place where the three of us agreed yesterday was Vedith. He's calling all who disagree with him as stupid or scum.

Scum already were lynched (notice how Wake uses lost someone language). If we want to keep lynching scum, the smart play is to keep doing the same thing. Not attacking the town who got us there and plugging ears to anything else.

Scum have to shake up this game AND foster division between Dunn myself and Zach.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:36 am

Wake, you might as well put a neon sign that says desperate. Implosion Dunn and Zach have all directly said they do not care to lynch me. By inference most of the game doesn't. My wagon is stalled for a reason. It's because I am obvious town who pulled a gambit most deem to be shitty that I felt I had no choice on. Several others have stated townreads.

Move on. Assuming Dunn and I are town, how do you read the game?

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:32 am

Wake, want some help with your waste of time. Zach said no, Dunn says no, I say no, implosion says no, boem says no. Those are outright refusals. Why can't you just admit you are wrong and stop fucking spamming.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:33 am

Beeboy is also likely in the no camp. Vedith is dead scum. I am pretty sure Airlick townreads me.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:28 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66474

That's why I townread Dunn.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:01 am

We won. This Dunn is the same Dunn and I could tell from very early on that it is the same Dunn. I couldn't say that though bc rules. I couldn't let Dunn be lynched either.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:21 am

In post 10, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah uh

Next person to ignore my post 8 by not voting podo or me is getting voted, fair warning

In post 12, Dunnstral wrote:Because I can't vote two people at once so I picked the one you weren't on.

Right here. Dunn is telling me that he's going to be a pain in my side but still pressure to get real wagons going.

It's mostly mirroring that game but I see Dunn adapting from it as well.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:34 am

Boem, mandatory disclosure of mine. I townread Dunn due to ongoing. Game has ended. I disclosed so people can vet it.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:31 pm

Almost, the game cannot adapt around you. You need to adapt to the game. Sorry. I need votes as organic as possible.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:25 pm

Great, *repeats day 1*

Almost any lynch you two agree on I am game for.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:36 pm

I don't wanna pick between my daddies.

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:54 pm

Titus · Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:21 pm

VOTE: Performer

Zach!Daddy, look what we're doing now.

Titus · Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:40 pm

Watches

Titus · Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:36 pm

Can we lynch awake?

@ Zach and Dunn, you two have a third or more of the game's posts between the two of you. It makes it difficult on anyone else to play. Figure out someone to lynch together or do a joint method and take a Xanax during the night phase please.

Titus · Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:51 pm

Wake and Varsoon are prolly scum. Zach won't want to lynch them though.

Titus · Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:59 pm

Agar's town.

Who do you want k77?

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:49 am

Mirhawk or kraska IMO should be today's lynch.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:56 am

Nope. Flail more. We had two static wagons for most of the day, both full of obvtown. Indicates a lack of compromise. Your wagon had Zach me and Dunn and couldn't get juice. Why?

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:09 am

There was intent before you subbed in. People are chicken. That doesn't necessarily mean scum stopped your wagon, just that they didn't want to finish your wagon or hear your claim.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:00 am

In post 3880, Boem_u_dusi wrote:Vote Mirhawk. His tone today is weird, that vote on Dunnstral was weird, he voted shannon yesterday along with Vedith which was weird.

If Mirhawk flips scum, look at Wake, Varsoon, podoboq, implosion.

God, like a man after my own heart.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:32 am

VOTE: Mirhawk

If Zach and Dunn cannot get along, I am going with the guy who has the same scumreads as me.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:38 am

In post 3894, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3885, Boem_u_dusi wrote:
In post 3884, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3874, podoboq wrote:
In post 3872, PeregrineV wrote:And maybe Wake is town, if he is working up his posts in a PT but not the scum PT. Unless they don't have daytalk.
I believe mod has confirmed that scum do have daytalk.
Then that makes it less likely Wake is scum. As scum, it would make more sense for him to solicit feedback on a post than not.

unless he purposefully linked to an old PT to make us think all this
. But that's next level mafia, so I'll just say Wake is probably town for now.
no shit sherlock
So you think Wake purposefully composed a post with links in an old PT, made those links go to the old PT instead of to the actual posts in this game, knowing that he would be called out on it, and also knowing that he would be townread ONLY because those links posted to a post made BEFORE the scum PT could have been created, and that we would figure all this out on our own, and that we would also believe it, and he would not be lynched for it?

Yes.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:45 am

Their PR? Why do you think scum only have one?

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:47 am

Scum Neapolitan strong suggests single ball.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:04 am

In post 3909, kraska77 wrote:eventhough mirhawk is still pinging me red
im actually considering voting elsewhere bc titus is on the wagon now
i dont trust titus

Don't want to bus and need an out?

P.s. don't trust Titus is a game I ran.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:07 am

Which 3?

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:54 am

In post 3929, Wake1 wrote:Don't forget mine podoboq. You'll have to check my ISO for clues however.

Almost50 says he Jailed Dunnstral, yet Dunnstral says he Vigged Lapsa.

If Almost50 Jailed Dunnstral then Dunnstral couldn't have Vigged Lapsa.

Could players clarify this for me please?

Stop rehashing 60 pages ago. Mafia likely shot Lapsa too.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:13 am

Driver cannot happen in a normal.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:18 am

In post 3947, Wake1 wrote:I'm willing to compromise on these lynches Day 2 thus far: Dunnstral, Boem, Titus, Almost50, Peregrine, Transcend.

Didn't include Varsoon because of his crumbing.

If evidence proves MB then everything changes.

The only one of those that is remotely acceptable is PV.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:34 am

I don't think anyone bussed Vedith.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:45 am

@Airlick, Scum are highly unlikely to bus with the wagon on me failing repeatedly. So I highly doubt the front end has bussers.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:46 am

In post 3969, kraska77 wrote:
In post 3966, Titus wrote:I don't think anyone bussed Vedith.
why were you getting performer lynched then

Performer wasn't bussing but distancing. Dude wasn't here.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:46 am

Also if Zach and Dunn agree on a wagon, it gets my approval.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:11 am

@Airlick, exactly. It's the main reason I am not tunnelling k77.

If there was a busser it was k77.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:20 am

In post 3985, Wake1 wrote:I think it's reckless to automatically assume NO Scum could have bussed Vedith Day 1.

It's possible, but don't say it was either 100% yes or no when you don't know.

I mean, come on. Be logical. Deal in possibilities, not absolutes, especially when you can't possibly know one way or another.

Don't tell me how to scumhunt when your scumreads consist of obvtown and lurkers and have been tunnelling for the past 2 days.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:22 am

In post 3987, Airick10 wrote:So do you believe Performer/K77 was bussing or not? You're saying you're not tunneling K77... but you did vote for Performer. Which one is it? Did you notice Performer voted for Vedith the night before?

Dunno. I'm not individually inclined to believe there was a lot of bussig. Just when Zach and Dunn get behind something and my best response is that it's not how I'd play scum and Agar made a good case...well...

I'm not. You have not seen a Titus tunnel.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:31 am

Now, that's flail.

I have tried to get you lynched. I have tried to encourage people to move from your slot or Mirhawk given that the Vedith wagon essentially split in two. Half on Performer. Half on Mirhawk. Your wagon disbanded. I joined Mirhawk.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:08 pm

@Agar, Agree with the bulk of your wagon analysis, except for the part where you claim I have my head up my ass. Both are scum. Like I don't give two shits which one eats rope.

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:27 pm

In post 4039, AGar wrote:
In post 4037, Titus wrote:@Agar, Agree with the bulk of your wagon analysis, except for the part where you claim I have my head up my ass. Both are scum. Like I don't give two shits which one eats rope.
I mean, that's fair. I still want a case on Mirhawk, like I've asked for since the beginning of Day 2. That would at least make me feel slightly better. That was more of a generalization than anything, about the whole town since we're stalling on that wagon hard.

Case on Mirhawk

Has done jackshit aside from agreeing with my push on Zach because Zach cannot realize why he lamisted.
Wagon on him is obvtown
Wagon on mirhawk is driven by Vedith voters, same as performer

Titus · Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:25 pm

Boem and implosion town.
I'm town.

PV is null because he always lurks.

All these slots voted flipped scum.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:31 am

@Zach, no one defended Vedith either but me.

Scum are defending by deflection, not frontal defenses.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:40 am

In post 4064, Zachstralkita wrote:
Titus wrote:@Zach, no one defended Vedith either but me.

Scum are defending by deflection, not frontal defenses.
The " deflection " in that case was basically your wagon.

But here we have implosion making a huge ass post as to why kraska is town, and several people just losing their sense apparently. So much that kraska doesn't even need to defend herself adequately to dodge rope.

Yes, I would be the deflection wagon. They came out hard D2 in spite of that.

K77 did defend themselves. We got one lynch. We cannot lynch them both.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:41 am

In post 4063, Wake1 wrote:
In post 4062, Titus wrote:@Zach, no one defended Vedith either but me.

Scum are defending by deflection, not frontal defenses.
But how do you know that?

Because no one defended the scum PR directly but me, and I am town. So scum deflected to me instead.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:57 am

In post 4067, Zachstralkita wrote:^ performer softdefended that slot as well

Pronoun confusion error.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:09 am

In post 4096, Wake1 wrote:
In post 4094, Boem_u_dusi wrote:Wake if you are town, go fuck yourself.
You're not swaying anyone.

He's got me. I like uncle boem.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:52 am

Mirhawk should claim

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:00 am

In post 4152, Transcend wrote:AGar isn't even that bad

Stop being a fucking pussy shit.

This.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:06 pm

In post 4201, beeboy wrote:If Boem is globally scum read why are we never getting momentum in his direction in the form of votes.
That is a huge red flag imo.

Your premise is bad. Boem is my 3rd biggest townread.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:17 pm

Zach and Dunn.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:32 pm

Even night doctor...hmmph

Not really buying it but should get thoughts from others.

Is there any other even/odd night willing to vouch? If you aren't comfortable ok, but if you are that would help if Mir is town.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:40 pm

In post 4216, Mirhawk wrote:The only person who would ever shoot you is a Vig, so no.

Beeboy is town though.

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:30 pm

In post 4255, Airick10 wrote:
In post 4234, Varsoon wrote:
In post 4214, Wake1 wrote:I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.
VOTE: Titus

Can we just end this?
Since you say you can confirm Mirhawk is the doc, are you confirming Titus is scum?

In post 4258, Varsoon wrote:I am a backup Nurse.
I know there is a Nurse and a Doctor in the game.
I had thought my role told me they were a
town
nurse and doctor, but it turns out that they could be any alignment.
At the very least, I can confirm their claim, which is likely to be town, imo.

I buy this.

@Dunn, they are not likely all town but I think they are honest. I don't think Varsoon plays it that way if he's not a backup Nurse.

Just in case we mass claim before lylo. If no nurse appears, Varsoon gets looked at really close.

UNVOTE: mirhawk

Titus · Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:30 pm

In post 4274, Airick10 wrote:Ok, I'll unvote and see how this plays out. I agree Dunn, I haven't heard of a backup nurse. Maybe he's just saying backup nurse where he should be saying backup doc.

Unvote

Varsoon knows the difference. He means backup nurse.