Newbie 1723 - Game Over!

[Errantparabola]

I hate myself for having to make this post, because I haven't replaced out of a game for a year

Mod, replace me out.

I'm really sorry. I'm dealing with pretty important life things, dealing with work, and dealing with a pretty terrible illness at the same time.

[Dirty Harry2]

Sorry for attacking your activity.
Get well soon brother x

[Nachomamma8]

This also demonstrates Nachomamma8's detachment to the nature of D1.

It demonstrates my experience moreso than it expresses any sort of detachment (the only evidence you need to see for me being detached is activity, which is not the type of thing that is tied in too closely for players who don't possess noticeably lowered confidence levels/competence levels/interest levels as either alignment).

My interaction was less "you only have one townread? my god!" and more challenging you to push more townreads; you can't actively win a game unless you close some doors and open others, and only having one townread that you're willing to invest yourself is more of a player problem over an environment problem in an overwhelming majority of circumstances at an end of D1 at Mafiascum.

[Nachomamma8]

I sort of agree with you that of the lurkers he feels least scummy so far.

At this point, who do you categorize as "the lurkers."

e, parabola, and nacho?

Yes, with lurkers I meant the people that I found very suspicious for the EOD stuff at the end of D1 (the three names you mentioned). Nacho has had a spurt of activity again today, but I still see him as part of the group of people I suspect of being scum.

However, I also find it very unlikely that both scum just decided to go full on lurker mode since that cant really be a winning strategy, so my gut tells me I should probably also be revisiting my other townreads and townleans some more today.

You forgot to follow up with my latest wall; did you get distracted by reaction testing Loopdan?

[Nachomamma8]

I hate myself for having to make this post, because I haven't replaced out of a game for a year

Mod, replace me out.

I'm really sorry. I'm dealing with pretty important life things, dealing with work, and dealing with a pretty terrible illness at the same time.

Don't hate yourself here; you did a good thing here.

[e_is_cool]

Wait snap forgot to announce V/LA for the weekend.

[Nachomamma8]

Theory shit for Nacho/IC replacement - Thoughts on reading someone through the slot's predecessor's actions.

Read whichever person in the slot that you feel you can read the best.
For example, Franky's slot looked pretty town, Loopdan maintains a pretty strong townread as a result.

[Nachomamma8]

Vecna goes back on chopping board for not voting me for terrible townread? Jesus Christ people if you don't want to become bacon give me something.

I don't understand why you'd suddenly suspect Vecna for not voting you for one weak townread - earlier, you said you didn't understand the scum mindset for his Day 1 play; has that changed? Why wouldn't scum vote a townie who made a mistake?

[Nachomamma8]

For the record, where I'm standing today:

ALWAYS TOWN: Dirty Harry, Loopdan
LEANING TOWN: Vecna, (much weaker) E
SCUM (?): Parabola, Skold

I'm interested in getting a replacement in the slot since the replacement will almost certainly be easier to read than someone with a scumgame as strong as Parabola's. I keep wanting to read Skold as town, but then he keeps doing questionable things and dragging my read of him down. I think that it's a mistake to clear Vecna for lurking D1 and then producing content by EoD; the reaction test would be an admirable enough scum move but it's nowhere near impossible. I haven't reread E's posts in depth yet, been hoping that he'd produce something relatively soon in order to strengthen my convictions on the slot.

[Dirty Harry2]

This also demonstrates Nachomamma8's detachment to the nature of D1.

It demonstrates my experience moreso than it expresses any sort of detachment (the only evidence you need to see for me being detached is activity, which is not the type of thing that is tied in too closely for players who don't possess noticeably lowered confidence levels/competence levels/interest levels as either alignment).

My interaction was less "you only have one townread? my god!" and more challenging you to push more townreads; you can't actively win a game unless you close some doors and open others, and only having one townread that you're willing to invest yourself is more of a player problem over an environment problem in an overwhelming majority of circumstances at an end of D1 at Mafiascum.

Detached in the sense I feel like you should have realised/identified with the reason why I only had one town read on D1.
"more challenging you to push more townreads"
I will accept the challenge.

D2 - my reads are developing slowly due to pace of the game.
Unfortunately I feel like my frustration with players is fueling my suspicion of them.

[Ircher]

I hate myself for having to make this post, because I haven't replaced out of a game for a year

Mod, replace me out.

I'm really sorry. I'm dealing with pretty important life things, dealing with work, and dealing with a pretty terrible illness at the same time.

Noted. (Reserved for VC).

Day 2 VC #5

Vecna (0) -
e_is_cool (2) - Harry, Parabola
Harry (0) -
Skold (0) -
Loop (0) -
Parabola (2) - Skold, Nacho
Nacho (0) -
Not Voting (3) - e_is_cool, Loop, Vecna

Lynch Threshold

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline

Day 1 ends on August 2, 2016 5:30 PM EST DST+1 or in (expired on 2016-08-02 17:30:00).

Mod Notes

Mod is V/LA until 7/29.

I will probably be around, but not for a very long time during that period. Please address SirCakez if any issues arise during that time.

Seeking replacement for Parabola (SE).

[Loopdan]

Am I mistaken or did Harry not place a single vote Day 1? In my very limited mafia experience I've never seen that.

So e, five days ago you said you'd "catch up on Day 2 soon. (By soon, I mean any amount of time between 0-3 days. Hopefully less than 1.5 days.)"

@e-- Other than a brief conversation about what website you have played mafia at, I don think you've interacted with parabola this game (please correct me if I'm wrong about this). I'd like your read on parabola's alignment and play.

[Dirty Harry2]

Am I mistaken or did Harry not place a single vote Day 1? In my very limited mafia experience I've never seen that.

I did not engage in RVS.
I did not vote D1.
However, I was admittedly happy to hammer more than half the playerlist D1.
I have only voted e_is_cool.

[Vecna]

Day2, you state that this skimming showed that I suddenly was a lot more towny. So why, if this skimming had already happened way earlier, did your vote stay on me?

Skimming posts isn't equivalent to reading through them; I planned to move my vote from you after I actually read through your posts in depth. Managing to look townier than doing nothing but making sheep noises isn't exactly an accomplishment and I wasn't exactly ready to clear you just because you were doing things at the very last minute.

Also, why were you so insistent to hold off on your full reads list untill the very end of EOD? Seems quite convenient to hold off on it for so long, and then for it to never happen because someone finally hammered it with only 4 hours to go.

I wasn't insistent. I said that I would give my full reads list at the very EoD because I planned on playing this game more conservatively than usual; no one pressed me to give my reads list before then, and I'm sure that you of all people can see the value in holding off on sharing your full reads until later in the day.

This is why I changed my opinion on you, and it needs some answers.

Your original case on me looked pretty different from this; why not bring this up with your original push?

Because you asked me to answer your "last wall". My original case did not look different from it at all (compare 511 and 543 again if you think so). I did tell you your EOD was rubbish, and that your excuse to keep your vote parked on me instead of providing reads and move your vote was very weak. Claiming you never got around to it because someone finally hammered with only 4 hours left to go is nonsense. You had 2 weeks + to provide them. Also you state you did not want to provide them too early because you want to play conservatively? How is that ever a pro-town move?

[Vecna]

Wait snap forgot to announce V/LA for the weekend.

So this is your way of getting out of the prod yet again? Lets see if this triggers some activity.

VOTE: E_is_cool

L1

[Vecna]

Also Nacho, Im pretty amazed you actually went and read those threads I provided and got to the bottom of what happened to them. Whatever your alignment turns out to be, that does show some dedication lol

[Dirty Harry2]

Look forward to e's catchup.
Sounds like he will not be replacing out.

[Nachomamma8]

Claiming you never got around to it because someone finally hammered with only 4 hours left to go is nonsense.

Let's say Nacho is a student of Vecna's.
Vecna assigns a three page paper to Nacho and says it is due in two weeks at 3:00 PM. Nacho avoids working on the paper until later because he has work that is larger and scarier and he knows writing the paper won't take him longer than an hour (he's already mostly done with the prep work). At 11 AM, Vecna refuses to accept any more papers and gives Nacho (who hasn't yet begun working on his paper) a 0. Do you see why this is problematic?

[Dirty Harry2]

What if Nacho is not a student but mafia.
Vecna assigns a three page paper to Nacho and says it is due in two weeks at 3:00 PM.
Nacho avoids working on the paper because he wants to see thenewearth misslynched.
At 11 AM, Vecna refuses to accept any more papers and gives Nacho a 0.
Do you see why this is problematic?



We only get judged on what we do in the moment.
Timing.

[Dirty Harry2]

I think that it's a mistake to clear Vecna for lurking D1 and then producing content by EoD; the reaction test would be an admirable enough scum move but it's nowhere near impossible.

I feel like Vecna is unlynchable now.
It would need fresh blood in the player list to mount a serious lynch on him.
The gambit has secured his safety to LYLO/MYLO regardless of his alignment.

Outside of his D1 gameplan, I feel like Vecna and I are on the same wavelength on many posts/players.
This is usually a personal town-tell for me.
He is not today's lynch.

[Vecna]

Claiming you never got around to it because someone finally hammered with only 4 hours left to go is nonsense.

Let's say Nacho is a student of Vecna's.
Vecna assigns a three page paper to Nacho and says it is due in two weeks at 3:00 PM. Nacho avoids working on the paper until later because he has work that is larger and scarier and he knows writing the paper won't take him longer than an hour (he's already mostly done with the prep work). At 11 AM, Vecna refuses to accept any more papers and gives Nacho (who hasn't yet begun working on his paper) a 0. Do you see why this is problematic?

This comparison is extremely faulty.

The comparison would be more accurate if the teacher informed his students the deadline will close at a random time anywhere between the start and two weeks, but that it is exponentially more likely to close as significant time passes.

Would any sane student really wait for the last four hours to hand his paper in?

[Vecna]

At any rate, whats done is done. Allthough I do not like it that you didnt get to post your EOD reads its not important enough to soak up such a large part of the ongoing discussion and I feel there are far better lynch candidates instead of you today.

Also stop setting me up for the NK please Harry :p

[Loopdan]

Claiming you never got around to it because someone finally hammered with only 4 hours left to go is nonsense.

Let's say Nacho is a student of Vecna's.
Vecna assigns a three page paper to Nacho and says it is due in two weeks at 3:00 PM. Nacho avoids working on the paper until later because he has work that is larger and scarier and he knows writing the paper won't take him longer than an hour (he's already mostly done with the prep work). At 11 AM, Vecna refuses to accept any more papers and gives Nacho (who hasn't yet begun working on his paper) a 0. Do you see why this is problematic?

This analogy only works if the school has a known policy that due dates can be shortened at anytime by the public votes of a majority of students.

[Dirty Harry2]

Also stop setting me up for the NK please Harry :p

I don't want to die N2.
Take one for the team.

[SirCakez]

goodmorning replaces Errantparabola! Please welcome her.