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[Aristophanes]

VC 1.14

Shinobi

(5): Majiffy 833, Io 900, Farside22 961, JaeReed 985, Lane0168 987

Majiffy

(3): Shinobi 538, AlpacaAlpaca 893, Gameplay506 897

AlpacaAlpaca

(3): GoodMorning 876, Dunnstral 881, Realeo 921

Not Voting

(1): Bins 992

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

AlpacaAlpaca is on V/LA
The day will end on July 30th, 2016 at 10PM EST

(expired on 2016-07-30 22:00:00) (10PM EST July 30/16)

[Shinobi]

Spoiler: Shinobi Case

Early on sheeps a policy/lurker read for an easy vote sit. Prods numerous players and while getting little-to-nothing in return, fails to follow up with a vote.

And while we're at it, despite all his questioning and prodding, here we are at his second vote and he has yet to do anything more than passing commentary on other players' reads. He doesn't have legitimate reads of his own.

What's his reason for voting? Looks like policy, again. Surprising!

This post is funny, because at 281 posts in the game he has yet to really out any reads at all. The closest thing you can call a scumread is his policy vote on me that he explains in his own words as distrust. That doesn't even sound like a scumread.

More hypocrisy. Still has added nothing of value but passing commentary.

I don't even know why he moved his vote

Oh this. Which apparently wasn't even a real thing.

So now we're 525 posts in and he still hasn't contributed anything despite doing a whole lot of looking busy and active. Guess who does that?

Still going on about lane, despite having taken his vote off???

Oh we're back to voting me. For being inactive/inattentive when I was V/LA.
So... policy again!

Reinforces policy argument. Clearly not interested in actually looking for scum, only to score mislynches.

And again. And again. Are you gonna post anything else? Nope guess not. And this time he even cites a possible town meta that he's voting me for.

Voting me for a potential town meta

. Just so we're clear here.

Holy shit an actual reads post 650 posts in.
Paraphrased;
"Bins is scum because she's superficial and doing nothing", "Farside has awkward interactions like [example]", "Majiffy is a reliable third [policy] so I'm gonna keep my vote there"

Why would you keep your vote on your weakest read

Finally starts to do things after getting pressured. That's pretty null. Interestingly denies the need to back up policy voting me for reasons he also previously mentioned could be town meta.

Just to remind people,

he's policy voting me for something that could be town meta. And also refusing to provide proof for his arguments.

Ok moving on

Let's see what Majiffy has to offer. Anyone know how many votes? [Doesn't unvote]

#L-O-L_VOTESIT!

Throwin' dat shade from the sidelines, back to doing nothing when they're not under pressure.

"Oh I'm pretty much cool with lynching anyone even though I have stated 3 scumreads and this person is not one of them" [About the popular wagon at the time]

TL;DR Shinobi has sidelined themselves the whole game spending more time LOOKING like they're doing things and no time ACTUALLY doing things. Voting is inconsistent with reads, doesn't follow a town narrative, and looks like they're willing to vote anyone.

Does anyone know if Shinobi has any town reads? I don't recall even seeing one in the ISO. Not one.


Vote Shinobi folks. This is scumbo dumbo.

I wasn't voting you for town meta - people have been citing you as possible town because you're apathetic and not one person has provided the necessary justification for that being the case. This isn't me voting you for town meta - this is me voting you for playing like an apathetic shitter and how you ever got me voting you for doing things that make you town is a gross misrepresentation of why I've been thinking that you're scum. This whole "policy" narrative is so much garbage when you've done nothing but talk about irrelevancies and afk all game and somehow that excludes you from being considered a lynch target. You don't get to act like being inattentive and useless is fine when you're fucking laughing at people for trying to progress the gamestate.

Your posts talking about me talking about lane are also gross misrepresentations of what I've been doing. Realeo was questioning me at the time and was talking about lane, and now I'm the one who won't let it go? How does that work, exactly?
Your points on me votesitting were garbage when even other players acknowledged that your catchup was mediocre.

The rest of your points are incredibly nitpicky but I'm perfectly willing to tear them apart as well if you're so inclined to keep this little fight going.

[Dunnstral]

if i vote good morning will people sheep me because im a voice of reason in these dark times

I will

[Shinobi]

@Shin Well you may not be my top scum read, that's reserved for Dunn. But I don't like either Alpacha's or Maji's wagon leaving you the only other person that seams to be worth lynching out of the options today.

Okay.
Humor me.
Why am I worth lynching?

[Dunnstral]

Actually you should sheep me and good morning won't be lynched today

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Shinobi Case

Early on sheeps a policy/lurker read for an easy vote sit. Prods numerous players and while getting little-to-nothing in return, fails to follow up with a vote.

And while we're at it, despite all his questioning and prodding, here we are at his second vote and he has yet to do anything more than passing commentary on other players' reads. He doesn't have legitimate reads of his own.

What's his reason for voting? Looks like policy, again. Surprising!

This post is funny, because at 281 posts in the game he has yet to really out any reads at all. The closest thing you can call a scumread is his policy vote on me that he explains in his own words as distrust. That doesn't even sound like a scumread.

More hypocrisy. Still has added nothing of value but passing commentary.

I don't even know why he moved his vote

Oh this. Which apparently wasn't even a real thing.

So now we're 525 posts in and he still hasn't contributed anything despite doing a whole lot of looking busy and active. Guess who does that?

Still going on about lane, despite having taken his vote off???

Oh we're back to voting me. For being inactive/inattentive when I was V/LA.
So... policy again!

Reinforces policy argument. Clearly not interested in actually looking for scum, only to score mislynches.

And again. And again. Are you gonna post anything else? Nope guess not. And this time he even cites a possible town meta that he's voting me for.

Voting me for a potential town meta

. Just so we're clear here.

Holy shit an actual reads post 650 posts in.
Paraphrased;
"Bins is scum because she's superficial and doing nothing", "Farside has awkward interactions like [example]", "Majiffy is a reliable third [policy] so I'm gonna keep my vote there"

Why would you keep your vote on your weakest read

Finally starts to do things after getting pressured. That's pretty null. Interestingly denies the need to back up policy voting me for reasons he also previously mentioned could be town meta.

Just to remind people,

he's policy voting me for something that could be town meta. And also refusing to provide proof for his arguments.

Ok moving on

Let's see what Majiffy has to offer. Anyone know how many votes? [Doesn't unvote]

#L-O-L_VOTESIT!

Throwin' dat shade from the sidelines, back to doing nothing when they're not under pressure.

"Oh I'm pretty much cool with lynching anyone even though I have stated 3 scumreads and this person is not one of them" [About the popular wagon at the time]

TL;DR Shinobi has sidelined themselves the whole game spending more time LOOKING like they're doing things and no time ACTUALLY doing things. Voting is inconsistent with reads, doesn't follow a town narrative, and looks like they're willing to vote anyone.

Does anyone know if Shinobi has any town reads? I don't recall even seeing one in the ISO. Not one.


Vote Shinobi folks. This is scumbo dumbo.

I wasn't voting you for town meta - people have been citing you as possible town because you're apathetic and not one person has provided the necessary justification for that being the case. This isn't me voting you for town meta - this is me voting you for playing like an apathetic shitter and how you ever got me voting you for doing things that make you town is a gross misrepresentation of why I've been thinking that you're scum. This whole "policy" narrative is so much garbage when you've done nothing but talk about irrelevancies and afk all game and somehow that excludes you from being considered a lynch target. You don't get to act like being inattentive and useless is fine when you're fucking laughing at people for trying to progress the gamestate.

Your posts talking about me talking about lane are also gross misrepresentations of what I've been doing. Realeo was questioning me at the time and was talking about lane, and now I'm the one who won't let it go? How does that work, exactly?
Your points on me votesitting were garbage when even other players acknowledged that your catchup was mediocre.

The rest of your points are incredibly nitpicky but I'm perfectly willing to tear them apart as well if you're so inclined to keep this little fight going.

I think you're intentionally obfuscating my point here. You're voting me *for the same reasons* as *proposed town meta*. And for what it's worth, your reason for voting me isn't valid either. Being V/LA is not apathy. It's unavailability.

Please show me a single instance of me laughing at people for trying to progress the gamestate.

And good luck dismantling my case when you couldn't even resist riddling your entire retort with so much ad hom I can't discern your real arguments.

[Majiffy]

if i vote good morning will people sheep me because im a voice of reason in these dark times

I read this as dank times.

I need to stop going on Imgur.

[Shinobi]

Spoiler: Shinobi Case

Early on sheeps a policy/lurker read for an easy vote sit. Prods numerous players and while getting little-to-nothing in return, fails to follow up with a vote.

And while we're at it, despite all his questioning and prodding, here we are at his second vote and he has yet to do anything more than passing commentary on other players' reads. He doesn't have legitimate reads of his own.

What's his reason for voting? Looks like policy, again. Surprising!

This post is funny, because at 281 posts in the game he has yet to really out any reads at all. The closest thing you can call a scumread is his policy vote on me that he explains in his own words as distrust. That doesn't even sound like a scumread.

More hypocrisy. Still has added nothing of value but passing commentary.

I don't even know why he moved his vote

Oh this. Which apparently wasn't even a real thing.

So now we're 525 posts in and he still hasn't contributed anything despite doing a whole lot of looking busy and active. Guess who does that?

Still going on about lane, despite having taken his vote off???

Oh we're back to voting me. For being inactive/inattentive when I was V/LA.
So... policy again!

Reinforces policy argument. Clearly not interested in actually looking for scum, only to score mislynches.

And again. And again. Are you gonna post anything else? Nope guess not. And this time he even cites a possible town meta that he's voting me for.

Voting me for a potential town meta

. Just so we're clear here.

Holy shit an actual reads post 650 posts in.
Paraphrased;
"Bins is scum because she's superficial and doing nothing", "Farside has awkward interactions like [example]", "Majiffy is a reliable third [policy] so I'm gonna keep my vote there"

Why would you keep your vote on your weakest read

Finally starts to do things after getting pressured. That's pretty null. Interestingly denies the need to back up policy voting me for reasons he also previously mentioned could be town meta.

Just to remind people,

he's policy voting me for something that could be town meta. And also refusing to provide proof for his arguments.

Ok moving on

Let's see what Majiffy has to offer. Anyone know how many votes? [Doesn't unvote]

#L-O-L_VOTESIT!

Throwin' dat shade from the sidelines, back to doing nothing when they're not under pressure.

"Oh I'm pretty much cool with lynching anyone even though I have stated 3 scumreads and this person is not one of them" [About the popular wagon at the time]

TL;DR Shinobi has sidelined themselves the whole game spending more time LOOKING like they're doing things and no time ACTUALLY doing things. Voting is inconsistent with reads, doesn't follow a town narrative, and looks like they're willing to vote anyone.

Does anyone know if Shinobi has any town reads? I don't recall even seeing one in the ISO. Not one.


Vote Shinobi folks. This is scumbo dumbo.

I wasn't voting you for town meta - people have been citing you as possible town because you're apathetic and not one person has provided the necessary justification for that being the case. This isn't me voting you for town meta - this is me voting you for playing like an apathetic shitter and how you ever got me voting you for doing things that make you town is a gross misrepresentation of why I've been thinking that you're scum. This whole "policy" narrative is so much garbage when you've done nothing but talk about irrelevancies and afk all game and somehow that excludes you from being considered a lynch target. You don't get to act like being inattentive and useless is fine when you're fucking laughing at people for trying to progress the gamestate.

Your posts talking about me talking about lane are also gross misrepresentations of what I've been doing. Realeo was questioning me at the time and was talking about lane, and now I'm the one who won't let it go? How does that work, exactly?
Your points on me votesitting were garbage when even other players acknowledged that your catchup was mediocre.

The rest of your points are incredibly nitpicky but I'm perfectly willing to tear them apart as well if you're so inclined to keep this little fight going.

I think you're intentionally obfuscating my point here. You're voting me *for the same reasons* as *proposed town meta*. And for what it's worth, your reason for voting me isn't valid either. Being V/LA is not apathy. It's unavailability.

Please show me a single instance of me laughing at people for trying to progress the gamestate.

And good luck dismantling my case when you couldn't even resist riddling your entire retort with so much ad hom I can't discern your real arguments.

No I'm not - I'm voting you for being apathetic and bad.
You are not apathetic and bad.
I have yet to see you even

once

be apathetic and bad.

People keep saying that you can be apathetic as town and nobody has explained it or told me why I should believe it, which is literal dick unless every single one of them is scum. You were posting mediocre one-liners well before you went V/LA, and iirc you were only V/LA for what I assumed was a day since you didn't even say anything in thread.

Your post of laughing at me was on, like, page 5 or something. I talked about it forever ago and you didn't debunk it then either.

I fail to see how ad hominem is relevant in any case when I've just listed things you've done and how I don't like them.

[Majiffy]

No I'm not - I'm voting you for being apathetic and bad.
You are not apathetic and bad.
I have yet to see you even

once

be apathetic and bad.

So it's a policy lynch. Great

Well I'm no longer V/LA, no longer apathetic and bad. Clearly participating. Fuck off, yeah?

Oh right, you can't. You're locked into chasing this BW now.

People keep saying that you can be apathetic as town and nobody has explained it or told me why I should believe it, which is literal dick unless every single one of them is scum.

And since that's not possible, shit they must not be lying huh

You were posting mediocre one-liners well before you went V/LA, and iirc you were only V/LA for what I assumed was a day since you didn't even say anything in thread.

I was V/LA from Thursday night to Monday evening.

Your post of laughing at me was on, like, page 5 or something. I talked about it forever ago and you didn't debunk it then either.

Oh right when I laughed at you for having unrealistic expectations about the gamestate yes

Tell me more about making look-good-do-nothing posts are advancing the gamestate

I fail to see how ad hominem is relevant in any case when I've just listed things you've done and how I don't like them.

They're not relevant, that's the point!

I've just refuted all your arguments. You can do something productive now. It's only like 1000 posts into this game. I'd like to see you play.

[Shinobi]

UNVOTE:
I wish you didn't have to wait all the way until two days before deadline to do towny stuff.
Now I'm in this horribly awkward position and I have to find someone else to lynch.

[Bins]

right so

because shinobi is town and majiffy is looking better i would perf alpaca and/or good morning because good morning came in a swung the CY obvtown to the obvscum part of the meter

VOTE: goodddmorning

les go gameplay push this

[Majiffy]

UNVOTE:
I wish you didn't have to wait all the way until two days before deadline to do towny stuff.
Now I'm in this horribly awkward position and I have to find someone else to lynch.

Uh I'm sorry I had to DJ my cousin's wedding and there were two political conventions on either side of it?

This is a game, not a job. Sometimes other things are more important than your whining.

[Shinobi]

Bins:

wow I'm so out of touch of the gamestate rn


ugh

did Alpaca townread me because he's town or did he townread me because scum feels the need to have a townread

Whatever happened to this?

[Bins]

idk i have no idea i really cant read it

[Shinobi]

Why not?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Good Morning

[Shinobi]

Good talk bins.

[Bins]

anytime

idk what do you think shinobi

would scum townread me

[JaeReed]

good morning came in a swung the CY obvtown to the obvscum part of the meter

Elaborate?

[Shinobi]

anytime

idk what do you think shinobi

would scum townread me

Why does this matter? Seems like a pointless thing to get hung up on.

[Shinobi]

I can totally see scum townreading you if they think it'll put you in their corner/make them look better, if that's what you're looking for.

[Bins]

what its like my main reason for townreading alpaca

i feel very easy to fake a case on but yet he goes and picks meaningless posts of mine and says "oh yeah these are town"
it looks fake but why would scum do that
how does that advance their wincon


eh i'll do alpaca but thats just because the way he went about the townread isnt logical


and jae its because 1) the reads are badly reasoned and i just got a bad gut feel which makes me think CY was just obvscum all along

[gameplay506]

GUYS ARE WE DOING THISSS OMGGG?
Yeah lycnh thaftt
VOTE: GM
LETS ALL SCREAM LYNCH AND BURN THE B***H

[Shinobi]

Alpaca is my only other pick for a lynch at this time - he's still a relatively forgettable player and I can't really recall what he's accomplished this game. I even looked through his filter and he just sort of...Exists. I think I talked about it already but I feel like it bears repeating anyway.
I'll see how I feel about Majiffy in the morning. Atm I feel better but I still kind of expect him to do something after coming up with a gigantic case, either pushing it or reconsidering it w/e. Instead he just kind of vanishes.

[Aristophanes]

OMG 3 in a row!