The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[KuroiXHF]

In post 770, Xkfyu wrote:
Speaking of tunneling...

Kuroi, what prompted your hebichan scum read again?

This next quote should answer that:
In post 150, KuroiXHF wrote:
7. hebichan - 20 - I don't like this. Nothing concrete, but it gives me a bad vibe.

That's why you've been voting hebichan all this time?!

No. You asked me what first prompted my scum read on Hebichan.

[Young and Witless]

I don't get it. Doesn't the whole "tunneling is bad" argument only hold water under the assumption that the tunneled player is town?

Do you guys really think YAW is town?

No?

Yes?

For Xkfyu, I liked in 255 how he didn't back down from what he was saying despite his terminology being challenged, and I think the way he was trying to get reads out of people

without caring how it makes him look

reminds me of his towngame.

Can you expand on the bold for me?

Sure. He was not trying to appear a certain way; with PV, he was just like "welp I was wrong" and then he gets into an argument with FB and he doesn't try to appease FB (and I've learned from experience that escalating an argument with FB can lead to pain).

What questions have I not cared about the answers to?
-smart

Spoiler:

young & witless might be scum white knighting SirCakez

Do you think the Cakez wagon will develop into a real wagon?

@Kuroi: what didn't you like about 48? And why don't you have anything to say about PeregrineV?
-smart

Also anyone who wants to give Beeboy Town cred for shitposting can fight me also …

Is this a meta thing or just a general aversion to people townreading shitposters?

VOTE: Iprobably - the response to a single vote from Maxous at 36 is “Why Me” which needs rope. And then disappears into the backgroup. Note too busy to actually provide content but not too busy to say “I’m too busy”.

Does "Why Me" come more often from newbscum than newbtown?

You're asking why is flailing scummy?

Do you think I have any trouble coming up with reasons for reads as scum?

Then you aren't reading my posts. What do you think about Ankamius?

Undecided.

I'll figure out it once he's answered my questions.

He answered one of them. (Not sure if there were more.) What do you think now?

All of these questions (except the last one, which I'm still expecting an answer to) have been answered. What makes you think I didn't care about the answers just because I didn't address the answers?

Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.

For those (yes, mainly DGB) who think the following thought process is from Town let's read carefully.

Hebi is asserting that Maxous is keeping his options open between YAR and Hebi for

TOWNCRED

.

I've capitalized and bolded the important word.

How, from a Town perspective, does Hebi expect that Max is keeping the option open between the two of them to get Towncred? By jumping to a hypoTown Hebi lynch? He's not going to get Towncred for that. From staying on a YAR lynch if Hebi's goes through? He's not going to get Town cred for that even if YAR is scum ... Max has been too passive and not pushing YAR hard.

The only way Max should be keeping his options open for Towncred is if Hebi is scum and Max can eventually shift from YAR to Hebi to help a successful scum lynch (bus or honest move either way this is the only scenario that makes sense).

Town Hebi should not have come up with that scenario and say Max is looking for Towncred. Scum Hebi on the other hand ...

I mean, I don't think this is a scumslip; I could see hebichan potentially using that line of reasoning as either alignment. But the whole post was nasty (and I really haven't been impressed with hebichan's recent posting at all), so I'm thinking she'll probably flip scum, and I think that makes MoI probably town.

VOTE: Hebichan

Actually no

Hebichan's post on this page is town

UNVOTE:

These two posts are so disingenuous it's nauseating.

I hate this. You saw DGB's townplay in Guns N' Roses and Princess Bride, and she did stuff like this a lot. I don't think it was disingenuous at all. (I don't think it was right, but I don't think it makes her any more likely to be hebichan's partner.)
-smart

[KuroiXHF]

Actually, I'm going to admit a mistake. I thought it was Hebichan voting herself then choosing not to.

Yeah, nevermind.

[Young and Witless]

how did you even...

-smart

[SirCakez]

Because not sharing reads just looks like you're just saying you have reads so you look like you're doing something.

Just want to point something out here; if I wanted to look like I was doing something do you think it would be a better idea for me to share my reads instead of making a post that is sure to draw attention?

If you were scum you wouldn't have any real reads tho.

2. SirCakez- nope

What?

Disagree on Wisdom feeling weird, he looks normal to me, if somewhat inactive (this is a null read)

I wasn't aware I was still voting farside, my bad

VOTE: Catdog

I have nothing on whether you are scum or town. Every game that I remember playing with you, you've been town, but that's some sort of fallacy to assume it's the same this game.

oh it's a null read
The "nope" confused me

2. SirCakez- nope

What?

Disagree on Wisdom feeling weird, he looks normal to me, if somewhat inactive (this is a null read)

I wasn't aware I was still voting farside, my bad

VOTE: Catdog

I do like the vote, though. What brought it about?

Their mindless push against me feels fake. Ever since my argument with UTL earlier about how she always scumreads me as town they've been lurking.

[SirCakez]

I was wrong about BBT, I can tell he's town now that he's stopped goofing around

What changed? Be specific in what makes you think I'm town.
Specifically, your YAW push, although I disagree with it

Had this in a separate tab

[SirCakez]

I was wrong about BBT, I can tell he's town now that he's stopped goofing around

What changed? Be specific in what makes you think I'm town.

Specifically, your YAW push, although I disagree with it

Had this in a separate tab

ebwop, damn quote tags got jacked up

[pirate mollie]

Well since Mollie has decided to ignore my question and apparently doesn’t want my help in pushing Wisdom I’ll just keep forging ahead with scum-hunting in other places …

if you were not swayed by what I explained to far then I doubt there is anything really compelling that I can add that wld entice you to help me. it is a feeling based read. it isn't that I ignored you I just did not know what to say. your snark doesn't make it any easier.

I am home from work so i am catching up now.

[pirate mollie]

Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.

I mean, he could just be genuinely be teetering back and forth, but why wouldn't he say that?

As for mollie not being on either wagon... Distancing? There is almost certainly scum on my wagon with the amount of votes there.

uhm

I have been pushing yaw for most of the game, I unvoted cos I want to put up a final readslist before the day ends, which I cannot do while I am at work.

this post is awful

[pirate mollie]

So the above post warrants more votes, I would say.

oh god yes.

[pirate mollie]

all caught up

I am going to organize my readslist and my thoughts and then I will vote hebi unless something earth shattering happens.

[pirate mollie]

town

magna
bbt
far
max
ank
xfkyu

if anybody needs me to explain these reads I will. I am a bit unsure on xfkyu but I am putting him in the town pile cos I do lean town on him, I am just not that confident in my ability to read him.

unsure

mav - I think mebbe town? but I am pretty unsure and he disappeared so the read has weakened but I am thinking that mav wld not be quite so confrontational with me if he were scum.
kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

cake boy - unsure. gut wise I wanna say town but I am not sure how to go about clarifying the read. he hasn't really said any outstandingly scummy things but nothing that makes me go "I love this post!" either so unsure very light townlean.

vedithfire - I am not liking vedith and it is making me sad I kind of like where fire's head is at in this game go. but unsure

td/basic - I kind of liked td for town but basic has brought down the real estate of that slot and has made me question my read. I had td as town cos of td's familiar reach out to me, when he is scum he usually avoids me like the plague.

catdog - why have neither of them reached out to me. I can't read them if they aren't active. unsure will even call it the scummy side of unsure.

perv - unsure. I need to see more.

dgb - waiting on vedith. it wld also clarify my read on vedithfire.

yaw - unsure/lean scum? I am still not getting what I want from smart hence the scumread.

wis - scumzorz!

who did I miss

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: hebichan

[CatDog]

VOTE: hebichan

eh

[CatDog]

kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

this feels bad

[pirate mollie]

kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

this feels bad

do you wanna talk about it?

[MagnaofIllusion]

if you were not swayed by what I explained to far then I doubt there is anything really compelling that I can add that wld entice you to help me. it is a feeling based read. it isn't that I ignored you I just did not know what to say. your snark doesn't make it any easier.

Given there was no response at all I drew the only conclusion I could. Glad I was incorrect.

I mean - I'm more asking if there was some meta basis that you could point to fueling that particular gut on Wisdom. Despite what BBT says meta has its place in Mafia.

[CatDog]

Sure

what makes you think that and hes not just scum

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Intent to hammer.

Hebi, you should claim in your next post.

[MagnaofIllusion]

VOTE: hebichan

eh

So talk to me about your Hebi as scum read Catdog. Because a quick search of your posting this game comes up with only 1 mention of Hebi and it is this vote.

[KuroiXHF]

how did you even...

-smart

I'm working seventy-five hours a week, and it's kicking my ass.

kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

Seeing as I already told you this, that's a pretty likely theory.

[pirate mollie]

if you were not swayed by what I explained to far then I doubt there is anything really compelling that I can add that wld entice you to help me. it is a feeling based read. it isn't that I ignored you I just did not know what to say. your snark doesn't make it any easier.

Given there was no response at all I drew the only conclusion I could. Glad I was incorrect.

I mean - I'm more asking if there was some meta basis that you could point to fueling that particular gut on Wisdom. Despite what BBT says meta has its place in Mafia.

there is some meta to it, I guess I thought that I explained it. whenever I cannot feel him in a game he turns out to be scum. every. single. time. it is a feeling based meta read and I keep hoping that he will do something that will change my mind but he hasn't.

I have had a very hard time drawing the read out in a way that I cld clarify it for myself and for other pple to see it is cos he will do a 1v1 thing (he has done this in the past) and pple wind up townreading him for it, it is how he wins as scum.

[pirate mollie]

Sure

what makes you think that and hes not just scum

its called giving the benefit of the doubt. and I have played with players like this before. he isn't in my town pile why does this bother you and why are you scumreading me for it

[MagnaofIllusion]

I have had a very hard time drawing the read out in a way that I cld clarify it for myself and for other pple to see it is cos he will do a 1v1 thing (he has done this in the past) and pple wind up townreading him for it, it is how he wins as scum.

If you have a link or two showing this and it plays out that way this game I will grind him into the dust for you.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: hebichan

eh

Really hate this vote

kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

this feels bad

And this is bizarre
This is an implied scumread on Mollie but they literally just sheeped her onto hebi