Newbie 1728: Training Your Dragon Mafia [Game Over]

[Vedith]

With the town setup, this means that out of the last 5 of us we have
1 - VT, VT, VT, VT, Goon
2 - VT, VT, VT, RB, Town Doctor

@Ryan

[RyanK]

How do you know there is a town doc? For all we know, all of us may be vanilla.

I already said that it's either option.
I clearly put either possible result.

The reason I think Doc is because Maverick was killed instead of Reso or Vax (1 of them is guaranteed to be town and strongly town read, scum don't like strongly town read).

It's very WIFOM-y.

[Vedith]

It's very WIFOM-y.

It's also a very good point from my side.
Argue it otherwise. Did you see him cop hinting? Because his posts are not cop hinting at all. So explain why Maverick was killed over Vax or Reso, 2 people that will not be lynched today.

[RyanK]

It's very WIFOM-y.

It's also a very good point from my side.
Argue it otherwise. Did you see him cop hinting? Because his posts are not cop hinting at all. So explain why Maverick was killed over Vax or Reso, 2 people that will not be lynched today.

Probably you're right. Anyway, why did you claim Vanilla Townie, wouldn't it narrow down who has the power role?

[RyanK]

In case you're expecting an answer from me later, I'm going to bed now.

[Vedith]

Probably you're right. Anyway, why did you claim Vanilla Townie, wouldn't it narrow down who has the power role?

I'm at L1.
I didn't want my posts to make me look like I was claiming or hinting doc because I don't want a doc to see me 'claiming' or 'hinting' and call me out forcing our PR (if there is one) to be night killed.

[reso]

Argue it otherwise. Did you see him cop hinting? Because his posts are not cop hinting at all. So explain why Maverick was killed over Vax or Reso, 2 people that will not be lynched today.

But he was hinting that he was cop, with his #776. Admittedly, I did accuse him for contradicting himself with his Day 1 thoughts without a notice, and thus I accused him of being scum. But since he wasn't scum, for scum, what other possibility could there have been for Maverick not being happy if another random individual? What other relationship besides scum-partners could form within the Matrix6 setup? A cop that's scanned that other person.

I'm really unhappy that Maverick threw himself out like that. I feel like if he didn't, either RyanK or I would have taken the bullet instead, and the game would still have had a cop in it.

[Vaxkiller]

I like what your saying Vedith

+ town points!

Innocent and Vedith seem to be having some rough days, so respond when you get a chance to answer fully!

@Vedith Can you explain a few more things for me? You said the main reason you voted hiplop was because you didn't believe me and saw it as distancing. Distancing from who?
As of Day 2 I see you had innocentvillager pegged as town. What changed?

@innocentvillager It's really hard to just trust anyone's reads without something to back it up. We didn't trust hiplop and look at what we found... Can you give some examples of why you think Vedith is scum?

I saw this posted by cobalt:

@hiplop why do you respond to my PL suggestion and not IV's? scummy to me,

TBH it really just could have been an oversight. Strange nonetheless.

[innocentvillager]

Everyone else is obvtown. Vedith is therefore scum.

Rusty was definitely leaning scum too with that terrible hammer.

Vedith and I were both on the hiplop wagon, scum bussing hiplop at that point is not optimal honestly with super town people.

There is a very small chance that like Vax or RyanK is scum, but I highly doubt it.

It's very simple. Lynch me and Vedith and win.

[RyanK]

Everyone else is obvtown. Vedith is therefore scum.

Rusty was definitely leaning scum too with that terrible hammer.

Vedith and I were both on the hiplop wagon, scum bussing hiplop at that point is not optimal honestly with super town people.

There is a very small chance that like Vax or RyanK is scum, but I highly doubt it.

It's very simple. Lynch me and Vedith and win.

Please explain why you have a townread on reso and a scum read on Vedith. It's going to be really useful.

[Vedith]

But he was hinting that he was cop, with his #776. Admittedly, I did accuse him for contradicting himself with his Day 1 thoughts without a notice, and thus I accused him of being scum. But since he wasn't scum, for scum, what other possibility could there have been for Maverick not being happy if another random individual? What other relationship besides scum-partners could form within the Matrix6 setup? A cop that's scanned that other person.

I'm really unhappy that Maverick threw himself out like that. I feel like if he didn't, either RyanK or I would have taken the bullet instead, and the game would still have had a cop in it.

To me that just reads that he wanted HipLop lynched over Vax (originally, of course) and not to hammer Vax until he's spoken.

I don't understand how you can see him softing as cop with those comments. Without the flip we wouldn't have known that he's cop, so I don't understand your comment here.
Do you agree with my theory?

[Vedith]

It's very simple. Lynch me and Vedith and win.

If you're town, you know for a fact this is a terrible comment.

If I'm lynched today and then you are tomorrow and you're town, then do we put the lose purely down to this thought process?

Even if either of us are the lynch tomorrow, it should be no way the certain lynch and all people alive need to be considered.
No one is confirmed unless 1 - Mod confirms it 2 - They have died and flipped

[reso]

To me that just reads that he wanted HipLop lynched over Vax (originally, of course) and not to hammer Vax until he's spoken.

I don't understand how you can see him softing as cop with those comments. Without the flip we wouldn't have known that he's cop, so I don't understand your comment here.
Do you agree with my theory?

This was my attempt at playing Devil's Advocate while reflecting on the flip, trying to explain it in a way that might have happened if I happened to have been scum. Of course, I did not initially see Maverick's post as a cop tell. I'm the one that called him out for contradicting himself and thus accused him of being scum.

[Vedith]

This was my attempt at playing Devil's Advocate while reflecting on the flip, trying to explain it in a way that might have happened if I happened to have been scum. Of course, I did not initially see Maverick's post as a cop tell. I'm the one that called him out for contradicting himself and thus accused him of being scum.

I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me here?
Do you agree that my theory with the RB and Doc makes sense here?

[RyanK]

This was my attempt at playing Devil's Advocate while reflecting on the flip, trying to explain it in a way that might have happened if I happened to have been scum. Of course, I did not initially see Maverick's post as a cop tell. I'm the one that called him out for contradicting himself and thus accused him of being scum.

I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me here?
Do you agree that my theory with the RB and Doc makes sense here?

Is it even important to know what setup we're playing? Shouldn't we be looking for scum?

[Vedith]

Is it even important to know what setup we're playing? Shouldn't we be looking for scum?

Of course it's important.
When did I say looking for scum wasn't important? The fact that people were trying to give a false reason to the Maverick kill is what was concerning me.

[RyanK]

Is it even important to know what setup we're playing? Shouldn't we be looking for scum?

Of course it's important.
When did I say looking for scum wasn't important? The fact that people were trying to give a false reason to the Maverick kill is what was concerning me.

Who was trying to give a false reason to the Maverick kill?

[RyanK]

Is it even important to know what setup we're playing? Shouldn't we be looking for scum?

Of course it's important.
When did I say looking for scum wasn't important? The fact that people were trying to give a false reason to the Maverick kill is what was concerning me.

Who was trying to give a false reason to the Maverick kill?

Anyway, why is the reason of the kill important?

[Vedith]

Anyway, why is the reason of the kill important?

Because scum try and divert the real reasons why. I am pointing out.
The false reason was that scum knew Maverick was cop. I can't see that being true, I've read through his entire posts yesterday and you can't tell that he's a cop... So that is the false reason provided.

[RyanK]

Anyway, why is the reason of the kill important?

Because scum try and divert the real reasons why. I am pointing out.
The false reason was that scum knew Maverick was cop. I can't see that being true, I've read through his entire posts yesterday and you can't tell that he's a cop... So that is the false reason provided.

What would the scum gain from doing so?

[Vedith]

What would the scum gain from doing so?

I mean, are you serious right now?
I knew you are new, but it's obvious.

It causes false suspicion.

[RyanK]

What would the scum gain from doing so?

I mean, are you serious right now?
I knew you are new, but it's obvious.

It causes false suspicion.

Do you seriously believe someone would be able to convince everyone that someone is a scum because of a night kill?

[Vedith]

Do you seriously believe someone would be able to convince everyone that someone is a scum because of a night kill?

It gives influence. I've seen it enough times to know that it works.

[Vaxkiller]

Where does this false suspicion land? If the roleblocker targets someone, does he get information back that something was actually blocked?

Vedith can you answer my questions from post 907? 907

[RyanK]

Do you seriously believe someone would be able to convince everyone that someone is a scum because of a night kill?

It gives influence. I've seen it enough times to know that it works.

It may give influence, but just to point out, it's very WIFOM-y and should be disregarded immediately as an argument.