Micro 624: Grey Flag Nightless (Game Over)

[GuiltyLion]

also it really feels like RM has stalled out this LYLO and avoided giving any kind of read/push for as long as possible

[RachMarie]

why because I did not put down a vote right away in LYLO?

[GuiltyLion]

Well you keep popping in to argue with me but then you don't do anything else

For someone who is apparently not sure about who is scum, you sure aren't being proactive about figuring it out

[RachMarie]

Im town reading infin and tne I know I must be wrong on one of them because I dont you and rb being a scum team together

Yet I am pretty sure that either you or rb is scum

you more than him

im not gonna vote yet not until I have some time to really look through some ISOs

[RachMarie]

err dont SEE you and rb

[rb]

Of course my read of TNE changes. I said earlier she played like this as town and I mislynched her in my last game, but I didn't see her play past Day1 and the fact she hasn't altered and just kept tunneling on town players makes me think she's scum the same as she makes sense in multiple scumteams just like you. Her reads have aligned with Joe for the most part as well.

The fact that the 2 players who make the most sense in the most scumteams are the 2 ppl voting me makes me pretty happy calling this the scumteam. Kill either TNE or GL and town wins.

Also lol @ the idea that reads should stay consistent for an entire game. Who the fk keeps the same reads on every slot for the entirety of a game as either alignment?

My reads change depending on how the game pans out and what people do/say and how they respond to stuff, like how any player's should. Rach is town, Infinity is town. TNE/GL are scum.

[Infinity 324]

Possible scumteams:
rach/rb
guilty/rb (very unlikely)
guilty/TNE

Will reread and make a final decision tomorrow.

[GuiltyLion]

Of course my read of TNE changes. I said earlier she played like this as town and I mislynched her in my last game, but I didn't see her play past Day1 and the fact she hasn't altered and just kept tunneling on town players makes me think she's scum the same as she makes sense in multiple scumteams just like you. Her reads have aligned with Joe for the most part as well.

The fact that the 2 players who make the most sense in the most scumteams are the 2 ppl voting me makes me pretty happy calling this the scumteam. Kill either TNE or GL and town wins.

Also lol @ the idea that reads should stay consistent for an entire game. Who the fk keeps the same reads on every slot for the entirety of a game as either alignment?

My reads change depending on how the game pans out and what people do/say and how they respond to stuff, like how any player's should. Rach is town, Infinity is town. TNE/GL are scum.

see it's not that your read changed, it's that it changed randomly and with barely any explanation or obvious progression. I encourage Infinity to reread your ISO to see for himself.

There weren't any obvious targets to go after (besides myself) following the karnos mislynch, so you had to invent a partner for me and TNE was the easiest one to go for.

also this:

The fact that the 2 players who make the most sense in the most scumteams are the 2 ppl voting me makes me pretty happy calling this the scumteam

is basically a scumslip, to a town!rb GL+TNE would be

confirmed

as the scumteam right now, since Infinity and RM both posted and didn't hammer.

[GuiltyLion]

Possible scumteams:
rach/rb
guilty/rb (very unlikely)
guilty/TNE

Will reread and make a final decision tomorrow.

also lmao

if guilty/rb is the scumteam then I have thrown this game pretty hard

[GuiltyLion]

I am going to do some iso research and see what I can figure out clearly my reads are totally off base here and the only one I can be sure of being right was hoopla

Ok Im going to look at his ISO and see if I can figure out at least one of his scum budz

ATM I really am not sure who is town and scum (other than me)

my reads other than joe and hoopla have been clearly off.

I know two of you are scum.

Im gonna do some rereading with that in mind with fresh eyes

Im town reading infin and tne I know I must be wrong on one of them because I dont you and rb being a scum team together

Yet I am pretty sure that either you or rb is scum

you more than him

im not gonna vote yet not until I have some time to really look through some ISOs

Infinity, please look at this

RachMarie has said she's going to "look through some ISOs" for OVER A WEEK now.

This is stalling scum. She doesn't want to commit to anything so she defaults to "I'm going to look at ISOs". But she hasn't done any analysis, and now we have less than 1 day until deadline. Does that look town to you?

[RachMarie]

no I have been swamped with WORK STUFFS

I am already behind on a 10 page report for a client I was supposed to have to him today.

[GuiltyLion]

you always have time to come in and argue with me when I call you scum

but you never have time to do anything else

like this is the third time you hop in with a post relatively immediately after I make a point against you

[GuiltyLion]

Let's dive into this active lurking pattern (all times in USA PDT, which is GMT -7):

Here's where I complete my reread of the game, vote rb, and then explain why I think it's rb+RM, at

9:20 pm

on

Tuesday the 16th

:

I'm actually thinking it is a rb+RM team here after my reread because I feel RM has really coasted hard after the early towncred from her "townslip"

infinity pings me occasionally but he's also had a few posts that felt really town and he was semi-instrumental in driving the JJ lynch whereas RM just kinda vote parked on it

also I think RM was the scummiest in pushing karnos too and I doubt it was three townies on that wagon which makes infinity+rb pretty unlikely

RachMarie hasn't posted for 3 hours prior to this post, then posts just

10 minutes

later at

9:31

:

no I really was scum reading him

I am sorry I was wrong.

Im genuinely at a loss here in this game who the other scum are.

On

Wednesday the 17th

at

7:13 am

I see that Infinity intends to vote me, and I respond

So me listening to you and changing my mind is scummy?! What do I gain from pivoting and calling Rach scum out of nowhere when she was never going to be lynched today anyway?

If you're town infinity, your vote will lose the game. Please reread the entire game and rethink before you vote. It's frustrating as hell that my attempts to game solve aren't like blindingly transparent to whoever is town here.

Also, rb has been accusing me of misrepping him in D1 and he has not ONCE followed up on me asking him to point out where.

Then RachMarie responds

5 minutes later at 7:18 am

uhh and I am scum for what precisely?

(sits back and pops some popcorn)

Later in the day, at

12:04 pm

, I post my case on why I think the townslip was faked.

Alright, so

Wait this is a micro there are THREE scumz? how is that balanced I thought with 9 players it was 2?

And how do you know there are 3, Hoopla?

This is the original "townslip".

Notice how RM's response to this new information is to ask Hoopla instead of going back and reading the setup herself.

When RM starts pushing the idea that scum would not bus in this setup, after javajoe was lynched, her tone and responses are different:

are you really pushing that two or at least one of the two other scum bussed their scum budz in a white flag or grey flag set up where town only needs to lynch two of the 3?

really seriously is that the best you got karnos?

I have played this set up before

^ so first off did RM not realize this was Grey Flag when she was made the townslip? If she's played the set up before, why didn't she understand that there was a 3 person scumteam?

Here was my response to her post:

My townread on you sours every time you push this bs. Unless you want to say scum never bus in any 7-2 setup, your thinking that scum wouldn't bus here isn't grounded in anything. Scum can bus and still have 2 members manipulating the town, that's HUGE in a micro.

and her follow-up:

NOT IN WHITE FLAG OR GREY FLAG

how many times to I have to tell you this is not a 7 2 set up

this is a 6 3 set up with town only needing to lynch 2/3 of the scum tean

READ THE SETUP

please

so now when she (presumably) thinks that I myself wasn't familiar with the setup (which also implies that she thinks I am town by default), she says "READ THE SETUP", as if this is something she expects all players to do. Yet when she "townslipped", she apparently hadn't read the setup since she apparently didn't even know how many scum there were. So how can a town!RM, posting in good faith, be insisting for another player to read the setup? The first time she was confronted with new information, her first response wasn't to go and read the setup, it was to turn it around and ask Hoopla a question about it.

Her behavior with respect to reading the setup isn't consistent, and makes me think the townslip was faked.

RachMarie responds at

12:07 pm

, just

3 minutes later

Yes I have played the set up before

no i really was not aware it was this setup when i asked

way to misrep.

Yes I asked Hoopla my strongest town read a question PLUS I then went back and looked at the OP

Felt kind of dumb for missing it in the first place.

My statement about playing this setup before came LONG AFTER I asked hoopla and checked again the setup of the game.

Yeah I probably am in too many games.

Try again

Wind the clock forward another day, now it's

Thursday at 4:16 pm

, I post this:

also it really feels like RM has stalled out this LYLO and avoided giving any kind of read/push for as long as possible

And literally

two minutes later

:

why because I did not put down a vote right away in LYLO?

Then at

9:08 pm

, I point out this pattern of lurking:

I am going to do some iso research and see what I can figure out clearly my reads are totally off base here and the only one I can be sure of being right was hoopla

Ok Im going to look at his ISO and see if I can figure out at least one of his scum budz

ATM I really am not sure who is town and scum (other than me)

my reads other than joe and hoopla have been clearly off.

I know two of you are scum.

Im gonna do some rereading with that in mind with fresh eyes

Im town reading infin and tne I know I must be wrong on one of them because I dont you and rb being a scum team together

Yet I am pretty sure that either you or rb is scum

you more than him

im not gonna vote yet not until I have some time to really look through some ISOs

Infinity, please look at this

RachMarie has said she's going to "look through some ISOs" for OVER A WEEK now.

This is stalling scum. She doesn't want to commit to anything so she defaults to "I'm going to look at ISOs". But she hasn't done any analysis, and now we have less than 1 day until deadline. Does that look town to you?

And then 2 minutes later, the reply:

no I have been swamped with WORK STUFFS

I am already behind on a 10 page report for a client I was supposed to have to him today.

So RachMarie has enough time to be sitting here in the thread, responding to me several times over several days

within minutes

, and yet somehow she has failed to do the ISO research she has promised, has failed to voice a firm opinion. This is textbook active lurking, it's obvious that she's here and reading the thread, yet she's stalling out her vote as long as possible. Like I cannot emphasize enough how sketchy it is that she has time to respond to me literally within 15 minutes each time, yet hasn't dedicated enough time to actually offer a game-advancing post. She just argues with me to defend herself. That's it.

[RachMarie]

OK let me make it clearer

I think you or RB are scum is that clear enough for you

[RachMarie]

I do not think you are scum together though so that is why I want to sort it out

[RachMarie]

I was checking another forum

Looking at links for research for a 10 page report for a client

Talking in PM with Jiffy

Talking in site chat

Checking some things on FB for another client who also is my biz coach

checking other threads including other games

writing up an outline for said 10 page report.

Ok does that make more sense of why I I posted in here a couple times that just happened to be not long after you posted?

[GuiltyLion]

I don't really care what you've been doing

I care that:
a) you've been posting repeatedly in this thread, particularly whenever I post and call you scum - like literally, within minutes

each time

b) you haven't done anything to resolve the fact that you apparently don't know who is scum yet, and it's now <1 day until deadline

That's not how town plays.

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: hoopla

Also V/LA 12/07 to 14/07.

Noted – callforjudgement

ok I am confused December 7 to what? There is no 14th month?

Read it the other way. Non Americans do dates differently.

ohh July 12 to 14

Thanks Joe love the username dude.

All depends on the country/culture you are from. And no problem. Thanks, I love my coffee!

Rach/java interaction feels a little forced

Seriously dude you are going to view my liking his name as related to the game

ALSO I REREAD MY ISO AND DAMN I KNEW I HAD 2 SCUM ON PAGE ONE

[RachMarie]

ISO of rb and GL together

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go


Oh wow the amount of interaction here I take it back you two could be scum budz together

[RachMarie]

reads

GL and rb scum

Infin and TNE town

[GuiltyLion]

k, if you think rb is scum just go ahead and hammer him and town will win

Do you really think I am bussing/crossvoting my scumbuddy with less than a day left in LYLO so that we can lose the game together?

like I just... can't even fathom that?

[RachMarie]

that is based on the dual iso thingy I posted you two are interacting and its like you are coaching each other

Why do you want me to hammer BEFORE Infin gets back? I know deadline is coming up but

19 hours and infin did say he would be back before then

[GuiltyLion]

I think you're playing dumb, just like your fake "townslip"

If you are somehow town in this game and you think rb and I are throwing the game together by voting eachother, I am not ever playing with you again. I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying that because a town!player who can't understand the mechanics of the setup and understand how scum voting eachother in this situation would be throwing the game is not someone I would trust to win games for town.

I trust that you're more competent and smarter than that, therefore I think this is a last ditch effort to try to get infinity to townread you and vote me.

[RachMarie]

Fine you want a vote

VOTE: GL

[rb]

Tbh I don't think people use IRL things as an excuse to slip by as lurkerscum. If they do I'll just not play with them and I really doubt Rach is the kinda person to do stuff like that. Like maybe she is scum but she has had activity struggles site-wide and was V/LA earlier as well. So no, if that's the scummiest thing you can find on Rach that's just bad imo.