Queen of Hearts [Game Over]

[Untrod Tripod]

why would town lie?

people aren't rational actors

the timing of my vote is not "strange". me asking ank to join me isn't "strange". you're trying to reframe what happened in a way that just isn't true.

[Untrod Tripod]

If I had to guess at least one scum is chilling there. Froot is one of them

also why the fuck aren't you voting for Froot with me if you're scumreading him? am I bussing Froot now?

[Untrod Tripod]

if you think I'm scum, I'm pulling votes off of (town in your opinion?) Ank to try to kickstart a wagon on my partner?

or if I'm scum and Froot and Ank are town I'm pulling votes off of a mislynch onto another mislynch? why?

[Untrod Tripod]

you can think my vote is strange but explain how it could possibly lead you to vote for me, because I can't think of a reason why it would make me more likely scum that town? why not just wait it out on Ank if I'm trying to mislynch him? why draw attention to myself to bring a wagon onto someone else?

[curiouskarmadog]

why would town lie?

people aren't rational actors

the timing of my vote is not "strange". me asking ank to join me isn't "strange". you're trying to reframe what happened in a way that just isn't true.

how the fuck do you know what is strange to me? WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO IS TOWN, VOTING SOMEONE THEY THOUGHT WAS SCUM, UNVOTE THEM 24 HOURS BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY. THEN ASK THAT SAME PERSON (AGAIN WHO THEY THOUGHT WERE SCUM) TO VOTE WITH HIM.

THAT

IS

FUCKING

STRANGE.

[curiouskarmadog]

If I had to guess at least one scum is chilling there. Froot is one of them

also why the fuck aren't you voting for Froot with me if you're scumreading him? am I bussing Froot now?

All I was saying here, is that Froot was one of the people who are chilling (AND COULD BE SCUM).

[curiouskarmadog]

if you think I'm scum, I'm pulling votes off of (town in your opinion?) Ank to try to kickstart a wagon on my partner?

or if I'm scum and Froot and Ank are town I'm pulling votes off of a mislynch onto another mislynch? why?

who is your partner in this scenario?

maybe IS scum and you are trying for a no lynch. maybe you just want a no lynch. I dont know. WIFOM fun though.

[Untrod Tripod]

why would town lie?

people aren't rational actors

the timing of my vote is not "strange". me asking ank to join me isn't "strange". you're trying to reframe what happened in a way that just isn't true.

how the fuck do you know what is strange to me? WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO IS TOWN, VOTING SOMEONE THEY THOUGHT WAS SCUM, UNVOTE THEM 24 HOURS BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY. THEN ASK THAT SAME PERSON (AGAIN WHO THEY THOUGHT WERE SCUM) TO VOTE WITH HIM.

THAT

IS

FUCKING

STRANGE.

you do know I can move my vote back, right?

see, watch

vote Ank

holy shit I had no idea I could do that

vote ckd

vote Froot

incredible.

and regarding ank let me just quote myself

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation so my extension of an invitation onto a lynch wagon was partially sarcastic given that I was referring to his self-preservation tactics which I had been talking about earlier in the day TO YOU AS I RECALL. remember? you referenced that post when you unvoted me?

there's an explanation. read and retain.

[Untrod Tripod]

if you think I'm scum, I'm pulling votes off of (town in your opinion?) Ank to try to kickstart a wagon on my partner?

or if I'm scum and Froot and Ank are town I'm pulling votes off of a mislynch onto another mislynch? why?

who is your partner in this scenario?

maybe IS scum and you are trying for a no lynch. maybe you just want a no lynch. I dont know. WIFOM fun though.

I don't know. could be anyone pretty much.

trying for a no lynch would be suicide.

[curiouskarmadog]

you can think my vote is strange but explain how it could possibly lead you to vote for me, because I can't think of a reason why it would make me more likely scum that town? why not just wait it out on Ank if I'm trying to mislynch him? why draw attention to myself to bring a wagon onto someone else?

your motivations do not look town...

X thinks Y is scum
Y is at -2L and the day has 24 hours to go.

instead of trying to get people to vote Y like X did here

SO HOW ABOUT THAT NO LYNCH YOU FUCKIN SCRUBS

X removes his vote on Y to vote Z

then asked Y to vote Z with him



THIS IS NOT A TOWN PLAY nor is it consistent.

[Untrod Tripod]

so what am I trying to do, then?

[curiouskarmadog]

you tell me.

[curiouskarmadog]

why are you all of the sudden not worried about

THAT NO LYNCH YOU FUCKIN SCRUBS

[Untrod Tripod]

trying to pull a lynch to Froot, who is a stronger scumread of mine than Ank. given the amount of time we have left and the amount of support I've seen for the lynch I think it can happen. if it gets late in the day and the lynch isn't happening I will switch back to Ank.

PEdit:

because there are three candidates for a lynch that everyone seems to pretty much agree about. we're not in danger of a no lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

.........

[curiouskarmadog]

okay,...

lets say that true.

why did you go immediately to "you' re a liar"

whatever

sort of pissed right now.

[curiouskarmadog]

UNVOTE:

whatever

going to reread this shit (how it went down) later

I have got a fucking slammed day tomorrow...

fuck

whatever...this game (mafia as a whole) gets me riled up, not sure why I play.

will look at this when I am calmer.

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm sorry, man. I wasn't trying to piss you off. I got a little riled myself because it seemed like you were deliberately misrepresenting what I said.

[Maestro]

And right when we switch from Ank to FL, he tries to throw his hands up in the air and pass on the gamestate.

CKD?

Yes. The original "wtf" looked like him getting annoyed at UT's vote switch, I didn't realize it referred specifically to UT asking you to vote with him, which makes more sense.

[Maestro]

1.) "WE switch". Who is we?

2.) my "wtf" statement was I was confused how the guy voting Ank, decided to stop voting Ank and vote for FL (all the while asking Ank to join him on the FL wagon)...all of this happens 24 hours before the day ends...god, even as I type that out I am still like WTF.

3.) nobody really was talking about/voting FL (other than Cakes) late in this day, UNTIL I posted this.

mod prod Froot Loop

her last actual post with content was on Wed

4.) also bussing? is FL scum? I just noticed a lurker lurking, did a quick current meta to see if she was posting, and asked her to be prodded.

1.) I guess just UT, but maybe I thought Peregrine was looking to go down that route too. Dunno.

2.) I understand that now. I don't care about him doing that, I've seen more irrational players do it before. It's null.

3.) Ok? I've hard-bussed as the first one on a wagon before. The whole exchange was just weird. It looked like you taking out some anger at a scumpartner who wasn't being as active as you'd liked. More often than you'd think, that's what "HEY MOD PROD THIS GUY" turns out being.

4.) Sure, they could be. I think you could be too. Yay progress~

[SirCakez]

The fact that I put all my reads in one post should be enough indication that I'm pretty certain I'm going to be lynched today.

Congrats on the third lazy lynch in a row, I guess.

Although I will say that there's no way this wagon was started by only town. No way in hell.

If I'm wrong and this wagon was town driven, then town really doesn't deserve to win this game.

This feels genuine -_-

Ugh why can't we go Froot Loop again?
I'd lynch this at deadline if we absolutely have no other choice

[Untrod Tripod]

Ugh why can't we go Froot Loop again?

we can! let's do it!

[zMuffinMan]

well (a) there is a froot loop wagon (albeit small) and enough people have expressed interest in it that it's certainly viable, and (b) ankamius's statements are dumb because it's incredibly likely (just due to numbers) that every wagon in this game is going to be town-driven, because even if scum is on them, they don't really need to strongly push anything unless they're in danger themselves so still probably town-driven (unless by "town-driven" he means "all town", but that's not what driven actually means)

and even if he means "all town" by "town-driven", that's still a dumb assumption

e.g. let's take a look at the nightingale game and some of the wagons that happened there when scum was one man down... from day two alone:

Salamence20 [7] - TellTaleHeart, lalaladucks, Oversoul, Katsuki, grapes, Muffin(x2)
^ all town

Katsuki [7] - farside22, Salamence20(x2), Muffin(x2), Kagami, Nachomamma8
^ all town on an innocent child

Salamence20 [8] - TellTaleHeart, Oversoul, Katsuki, grapes, Nachomamma8, lalaladucks, Mac, Brian Skies [LYNCH]
^ still all town even with the town double-voter not on the wagon

that's not always going to be the case, obviously, but people who can't do wagon analysis need to stop pretending they know what they're talking about. it's probably 10:2 atm so most wagons that pop up are going to be overwhelmingly town-driven, if not entirely so. this is more the case if maestro is actually town since he makes up 2/7 of every wagon he's on. "oh, there's got to be scum here, it doesn't make sense otherwise" - give a good reason why it has to be the case or fuck off and come back when you know how to play the game

also i smiled at the "third lazy lynch in a row" comment, given what he's been doing with his vote this game and the flip yesterday

[Untrod Tripod]

yeah, we can't lose with lynching between ank and froot

[SirCakez]

I'm already voting Froot, silly UT