Shadowrun Mafia - Game Over

[Frozen Angel]

who else was on that mission night 1

abr , D&D and ?

[JaeReed]

Even if you shut down the prison run there is someone here who can still escape from prison so we won't get flips.

were you reading the adventure pt at all? or the question I just asked?

your ability is for you. we get the flips of the people who are not you and who can't escape

I think you misunderstood. You asked the mod if 2 players escaped from prison would the rest flip, which is correct, they would. This does not mean to say that if we shut off the prison break we'll get flips. Because I can still escape prison if sent there. Once no living players can escape from prison OR 2 players have already escaped. That's when we get flips.

[JaeReed]

ABR, D&D, Random

[MathBlade]

VOTECOUNT 1.11

McMenno (9):

Daenerys and Dragons, Mathblade, karnos, Yume, Worldzmine, Koggz, JaeReed, Klingoncelt, Albert B. Rampage

LYNCH

WorldzMine (1):

Vedith

Not Voting (7):

McMenno, Vedith, grovyle, inspectorscout, PeregrineV, randomidget, Reasonably Rational

With 16 Alive and Free, it takes 9 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-30 13:00:00)

The Party Leader is

JaeReed (The Face)

The Leader's Party is

grovyle and Mathblade

The Lieutenant is (optional)

Daenerys and Dragons

The Lieutenant's Party is (optional)

Albert B. Rampage and Randomidget

The Chosen Runs are

Bank Heist (JaeReed) and Murder (Daenerys and Dragons)

Night 1 started at 12:50 AM Pacific Time (USA) on August 23, 2016. The deadline is 12:50 AM August 26, 2016. That's in (expired on 2016-08-26 00:50:00).

McMenno was sent to prison Day 1.

Random midget @FA

[Frozen Angel]

Even if you shut down the prison run there is someone here who can still escape from prison so we won't get flips.

were you reading the adventure pt at all? or the question I just asked?

your ability is for you. we get the flips of the people who are not you and who can't escape

I think you misunderstood. You asked the mod if 2 players escaped from prison would the rest flip, which is correct, they would. This does not mean to say that if we shut off the prison break we'll get flips. Because I can still escape prison if sent there. Once no living players can escape from prison OR 2 players have already escaped. That's when we get flips.

read post 83 in our adventure pt

[Frozen Angel]

and mod missed my question in here

@mod if there is no way for a player to exit the jail (even if the two prison break limit is not yet achieved) they will flip. correct ?

[Bold Vote Scientist]

and mod missed my question in here

@mod if there is no way for a player to exit the jail (even if the two prison break limit is not yet achieved) they will flip. correct ?

If there is no way to escape jail, players will flip. The two escape is a maximum set, not a minimum.

[JaeReed]

@Mod if one player remains alive in the game while being able to escape jail will the imprisoned players flip regardless of that one person still being able to escape if sent to jail?

[JaeReed]

If it's really not tied to my role at all then I'd almost say go ahead and block it tbh.

[Frozen Angel]

If it's really not tied to my role at all then I'd almost say go ahead and block it tbh.

there is still the risk of a scum revivor who is waiting for the lylo to bring back their friend.

[Frozen Angel]

why did you choose that secondary party for night 1 jaread?

can you refer to your iso why you think any of the 3 were town back then?

[JaeReed]

I chose Random for stats. I didn't have a read on him.
I chose D&D and ABR because I thought they were both town.

I think I only mentioned my read on D&D though if we're talking in thread?

[Bold Vote Scientist]

@Mod if one player remains alive in the game while being able to escape jail will the imprisoned players flip regardless of that one person still being able to escape if sent to jail?

The imprisoned players flips have a set trigger or triggers. I am not divulging those.

[MathBlade]

There are lots of risks. I wanna sleep some stuff over and do some what ifs.

I am leaning towards breaking people out because more likely than not scum have a way to get out or revive or something. I think taking out prison break shoots us in the foot. Especially if scum break out or come back in LyLO.

I am super tired and going to bed but I am wishy washy either way.

[Frozen Angel]

so you had another sort of communication with any of them back then ?

There is something fishy about that party night 1. was it others suggestion to you in any manner for choosing that party? or it was your own doing from 0 to 100 ?

[JaeReed]

No I just didn't end up putting all of my thoughts in the thread. The party was completely my own decision. For both of them. The only thing that wasn't was RR/Drixx infiltrating my mission.

D&D I mentioned a few things on why I thought they were town.
I mentioned early on that I had a townread on both Grovyle and ABR.

Was trying to combine mission success chance with townreads, and have my strongest ones in my run so I could claim my prison escape ability and talk about what to do with it. Was hoping ABR and D&D could get a read on Random overnight since I was null on him.

[JaeReed]

Spoiler:

Ok, so far what I am feeling pretty definitively here is that Grovyle & ABR are both town.

Cakez is pushing an angle I can't see coming from town, and the comment about Space Cowboy (who I also had bad vibes from) feels off as well.

VOTE: Dragons

If anyone wants me to back stuff up with quotes feel free to ask. I'm feeling kinda lazy so not gonna go through the casual chat again without prompting.

Gonna start looking into parties now, ABR.

So I'm really pissed off at shit IRL and this game isn't helping.
Sick of being mislynched by complete fucking dumbasses who have no fucking clue how to read me and it will cloud my judgement so I'm gonna let Lilith take charge for a bit.
I would have probably replaced out at this point if I was solo ftr

-dragons

UNVOTE:

This is a massive overreaction to an early wagon. I don't feel like scum!cakey would have an emotional outburst here and in this manner.

UNVOTE:

This is a massive overreaction to an early wagon. I don't feel like scum!cakey would have an emotional outburst here and in this manner.

Nope. Perfectly capable of faking it.

What I mean is that scum!cakez I feel is fairly confident in his ability as scum to talk his way out of a lynch.

Generally, I would find an overreaction to be suspicious, but this is someone that I feel is a decent scum player. I'd imagine him to be a little calmer over an early wagon as such.

I also find threatening to replace out to be below the belt as far as AtE goes (I get that not everyone shares the same moral code as I do so I don't expect everyone to be swayed by that) if you're scum pretending to be upset town. There are ways to AtE without that kind of angle.

You could probably argue that he's scum pissed at being caught for reasons he doesn't think are AI. It wouldn't be the first time I've misread cakez (actually I don't think I have ever correctly read him). I'll wait and see what Lilith has to say about my responses to her.

In the meantime I'd also like to know what FB thought of the outburst.

Generally, I would find an overreaction to be suspicious, but this is someone that I feel is a decent scum player. I'd imagine him to be a little calmer over an early wagon as such.

I also find threatening to replace out to be below the belt as far as AtE goes (I get that not everyone shares the same moral code as I do so I don't expect everyone to be swayed by that) if you're scum pretending to be upset town. There are ways to AtE without that kind of angle.

You could probably argue that he's scum pissed at being caught for reasons he doesn't think are AI. It wouldn't be the first time I've misread cakez (actually I don't think I have ever correctly read him). I'll wait and see what Lilith has to say about my responses to her.

I'm not arguing that he's scum or town based on him saying he would hypothetically replace out if he wasn't in a hydra, it's not alignment-indicative at all. Don't be swayed so easily, you pushover.

My point was more that I don't think scum!cakez resorts to AtE here. My main point was in the first paragraph, the rest was just to show my inner thought process and how it supports my conclusion there in my mind.

I can be a pushover, and I'll openly acknowledge that I'm weak to AtE and buddying, but I really think that was a town overreaction.

We didn't hate you. But you obviously harbored some vitriol towards us. You did curse. You insulted us several times. And you're wrong about us here - I don't know why you're trying to push us so seriously over a post Cakes made that sounds exactly like he did in Bloodborne. Stop.

-Daenerys

pedit: What was off about whatever comment on space cowboy? I believe cakes said they were feeling scummy, and you're getting bad vibes, so what gives?

I also think this is genuine self righteousness from this head, now that I've taken a step back to reread.

249 wasn't a bad post either from the dragons head. I agreed with him on Space Cowboy's 225, but what pinged me most was 240 as a reaction to the outburst. Having trouble articulating the issue exactly, but it doesn't read as genuine to me, and didn't at the time of posting either.

For me, you'd look at who I'm defending.
I just checked in my ISO and I have definitely stated most of my strong townreads. Given reasons for some, not for others.

Touche. Defense is a valid indicator of a townread, though I'd argue that nobody has been attacked enough to justify a defense at this point.

And...you're going to make me read your ISO aren't you? so much easier for me if you just........say the reads. In one nice little post. :/

I've still defended people.

I won't rank my townreads. I'll list them in order of how much information I feel I've given as to my reasonings for why they're townreads, though.

Grovyle, D&D, Math, ABR, RR

Here are the quotes pertaining to the reads you were asking about. As I said, was null on Random, he wasn't doing much, so there wasn't anything to talk about with regards to him.

[Frozen Angel]

What was ABR and D&D reads on random after night 1 then?

[JaeReed]

VOTE: karnos
Our mission was a success.
ABR and D&D are decent town reads. As are Koggz

Who should be on the next missions?

Math, Jae, you, Koggz, random, us, Sooper
The pool of players is already pretty small which sucks

You townread both of the people you were in a mission with last night despite scum sabotaging it? Can you go into that? Do you think scum sabotaging it was something they could submit during the night that happened instantly, or something lined up during the dayphase on D1?

I don't trust mathblade or randomidget

Why the sudden turnaround on us and random? As far as I can recall you were townreading them and scumreading us.

Also, how is math scum?

-Daenerys

I never said I was townreading randomidget. By the way she posts, shes scum.

Okay. What specifically about their posts are scummy? And can you answer the other two parts of my questions?

-Daenerys

[JaeReed]

@D&D can I get reads from both heads please? Going through the ISOs you look town by play. Can you also paraphrase the posts in the mission PT where PV was pressured into doing the thing that sent him to jail?

[Frozen Angel]

EHEM

ABR , KC , scout and the Worldz slot

Opinion on removing prison break rune

[Albert B. Rampage]

I already said what I wanted to do. I want to break PV out.

[Frozen Angel]

and who do you wanna lynch?

[Albert B. Rampage]

person im voting

[Frozen Angel]

you have no desire in lynching the person your voting if your not supporting your vote and backing it up with explanations and a clear push and pressure.