[Mini 1835] - Everything Is A Lie Mafia 4 (Abandoned)

[BNL]

"Apparently" means that he believes that's he's double hated.

Yes I agree that its a useful fact for him to say that his role PM says he's double hated, and I don't find that scummy. I feel that if his thought processes were real then he should say something like "My role PM says I'm double hated" instead.

How do you know what he means?

Are you inside his head?

Why would you assume that without asking for clarification?

~Leather

Let me rephrase: Apparently means that he did not stop to consider that his role could be a lie.

I admit this is a weak point, as I can see the arguement for it meaning "its what I'm told and know, but may not be true". My vote isn't completely serious; I don't have really strong reads, and it's early game, so I RVS on really weak reasoning. This is why I voted without clarifying.

[Leather and Lace]

"Apparently" means that he believes that's he's double hated.

Yes I agree that its a useful fact for him to say that his role PM says he's double hated, and I don't find that scummy. I feel that if his thought processes were real then he should say something like "My role PM says I'm double hated" instead.

How do you know what he means?

Are you inside his head?

Why would you assume that without asking for clarification?

~Leather

Let me rephrase: Apparently means that he did not stop to consider that his role could be a lie.

I admit this is a weak point, as I can see the arguement for it meaning "its what I'm told and know, but may not be true". My vote isn't completely serious; I don't have really strong reads, and it's early game, so I RVS on really weak reasoning. This is why I voted without clarifying.

That's not any better.

Your still projecting your

own

thought processes on another person and basing a vote on it.

That's bad town at the very best.

[Leather and Lace]

^

~Leather

[Flames682]

I'd refrain from voting the IC. I agree the confirm town message by the mod is suspicious, but lynching him probably won't help the town. In the first game of this series the IC was a Jester, and in the second it was a Lyncher target.

Except that we also know wgeurts likes to make subtle changes in each of his games.

[Flames682]

Let me rephrase: Apparently means that he did not stop to consider that his role could be a lie.

I disagree. "Apparently" means it was stated in his role PM and it's apparent there. If he really didn't consider that his role could be a lie he most likely would've just said "I'm double hated" without the "apparently."

[Leather and Lace]

See why clarification is important?

Assumptions are bad, m'kay?

[Leather and Lace]

^

~Leather

[Rylai and Lina]

See why clarification is important?

Assumptions are bad, m'kay?

assumptions are everything, in this game. Especially in a game of lies where nothing is ever truly confirmed

~Rylai

[Davsto]

So basically BnL is basing a vote on very questionable semantics. Yeah, my early vote appears to be decided.

[Yume]

Hi, I am a miller.

[shos]

VOTE: wgeurts

Gotta try

[xyzzy]

Hi, I am a miller.

prediction: Yume is secretly a death miller

[Rylai and Lina]

so we have an IC , a lyncher claim , a miller and a double hated claim >.>

which head is the leather one?

~Lina

[Rylai and Lina]

BNL voting a double hated claim and asking the proxy slot to vote himself seems Icky

Ircher who is your lynch target?

~Lina

[farside22]

I'm a day vig.

Votes: cakez

[Leather and Lace]

which head is the leather one?

Me.

~Leather

[Rylai and Lina]

ok! thanks!

~Lina

[Vedith]

I'm miller as well apparently.
VOTE: Farside

[Rylai and Lina]

VOTE: vedith[/vedith]

you counterclaim someone and vote someone else?

[Rylai and Lina]

ehhh

VOTE: Vedith

~Lina

[SirCakez]

"Apparently" means that he believes that's he's double hated.

Yes I agree that its a useful fact for him to say that his role PM says he's double hated, and I don't find that scummy. I feel that if his thought processes were real then he should say something like "My role PM says I'm double hated" instead.

By apparently, I meant that my role says I am, but I'm not sure if I actually am or not.
This should have been obvious, others noted it too.

VOTE: xyzzy
This is confscum

[BNL]

See why clarification is important?

Assumptions are bad, m'kay?

Okay, now I'm confused.
I assumed by clarification, you meant with the poster (SirCakez), and not anyone else (Flames).

[BNL]

BNL voting a double hated claim and asking the proxy slot to vote himself seems Icky

Ircher who is your lynch target?

~Lina

Why is it icky?

1. Lynch threshold is 8, double hated means it's 6 for SirCakez, and if we have the same thing from last game we have 5. Even then, 1 vote is still very far from a lynch.

2. That was obviously a joke.

[Flames682]

ehhh

VOTE: Vedith

~Lina

Don't act like our role PMs don't have a bunch of stuff and can never overlap.

[BNL]

I'm a day vig.

Votes: cakez

Dayvig isn't a negative utility