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[Psyche]

vote Jake from state farm

good chance this is the best vote considering only the playerlist

[Psyche]

i didnt know people were still making new accounts on this forum

[Psyche]

oh no i don't know how to handle forum crushes

vote Raskolnikov

this is buddying and i will not tolerate it

[Psyche]

is it buddying if im voting you
is it buddying if im town
is it buddying if youre scum

shameless mind games

[Psyche]

should have saved it

[Psyche]

ur not cool gerry

[Psyche]

srsly can we go ahead and policy lynch jake before it's too late

[Psyche]

it's different every game i expect

[Psyche]

think of it as a rvs lynch if it makes you feel better

[Psyche]

eheheheehehehehehe

[Psyche]

My vote is NOT RVS.

might as well be

[Psyche]

Three people have said think of it as an RVS lynch and this concerns me.

well
go on

Ugh I just hate when people dive into lynches really, it reduces your chance of hitting scum. People have told me I'm too cautious at mafia though so....

there isn't really going to be an rvs lynch

[Psyche]

i dont understand people who say the thread/game is dead/dying
it's been two days and we're on page 5
that's over 100 posts

[Psyche]

my response is clearer that way

[Psyche]

seems jake was the first to start the meme that the game's defunct

[Psyche]

vote jake

his advocacy for an rvs seems like it was somehow serious as well as poorly justified

[Psyche]

try townhunting awhile

[Psyche]

um

[Psyche]

i vote everyone day 1

[Psyche]

hello i have returned to this thread in order to establish or indicate who is scum

[Psyche]

after considered analysis i have determined that there is no content on the first page of this thread that is in any way alignment indicative

[Psyche]

would you prefer a high alto

[Psyche]

after considered analysis i have determined that there is no content on the first page of this thread that is in any way alignment indicative

No shit sherlock :roll:

for your pleasure i will now dutifully develop my analysis to include the second page of this thread concerning content that may in any way be alignment indicative

[Psyche]

once i find a

truly

good lead the ratio will probably change

[Psyche]

lol

[Psyche]

you're pots calling the kettle black

[Psyche]

as much as you do i guess

[Psyche]

lately i've been waiting to notice something but i'll try something else shortly
i'll make something like a map

[Psyche]

i don't care

[Psyche]

I find it funny that psyche wanted to PL me yet he's been posting on site for the past 2 days and ignoring this game. If he's town it's inexcusable

sry i needed a break

[Psyche]

it's so weird how someone can go from saying "random quicklynches on day 1 are nbd" to calling inactivity "inexcusable"

[Psyche]

so after a quick reread it seems sort of obvious that mariar is scum

[Psyche]

mmm maybe i need more attention to later pages though

[Psyche]

unvote

just in case

[Psyche]

I would like to retract my previous statement.
How about we get Psyche to start contributing for real?

so much talk about other people contributing but his iso is basically nothing

[Psyche]

light_ganski
is pretty newby - SE level, to be exact, though; evident in #72, #94
seems sincere, though?
not much she's said is useful but it does seem town
#208-#210 shows thought process that i feel only more experienced scum would know to fabricate; there is a chance she's walking back a vote that she's afraid will come off as opportunistic/lazy; stronger townread by this post for sure
#279 leaves me reasonably confident and cements a shift toward more useful content

BigYoshiFan
his answer to jaack in #231 is weak;
he's taking a moment to criticize having reads during the early game? who does that help? how does that contribute?
banal reads he only provides upon inquiry; rather passive play overall by #235
400/401 looks better i guess

MariaR
her vote on post 89 sort of extended RVS past its expiration date. Post 96 similarly suggests a mindset of someone who's having trouble not just scumhunting but faking scumhunting.
also, her exasperation about the early game's content seems disingenuous
in post 110 she makes her first "srs vote" in order to "get things going" but it's just for Gerry and comes with no justification at all; could she really have believed that would have

done

something her generic rvs wasn't?
the exchange through her #138 is just mehh, like she just did it to rid herself of suspicion
but there is some evidence of thought process that isn't outright avoidance of suspicion; she's trying to be sophisticated?
still no reads on post #278
380 is lame but seems, investigative?

Jake from State Farm
vacillates between casual (ex 78 where he sings the praises of an rvs lynch, or #285 where he's answering rask's rhetorical question to sing the praises of low-effort play) and on-edge (ex 422)
its hard to tell which are more convincing and which seem more skeevy; i'm just ambivalent about him
his reaction to my call for a policy lynch seemed rather tight-lipped. it's not that i expected him to produce some wordy reply; his just seemed sort of reserved
his #289 is so mixed up; i'm the closest thing to a scumread he has and warrant votes, but you're making a case for reading me as town?
and in #294 he's discrediting away the only reason someone would vote for me and think im town - the possibility of pressuring me into contribution
#301 is a smooth enough explanation that i don't see much point in thinking about this exchange further; if my shitposting were a sort of reaction test, the gist of this without the confusing exchange it follows is what a 'decisively' town reaction might look like

Psyche
is town; promise
would you guys believe me if i said i pull the shitposting schtick early often because it's the most low-effort way to get reactions?
doesn't really matter if you don't i suppose

gerryoat
by post #218 has been largely irrelevant
same by #280; there are signs he may just be lazy though
even by #355 still is just boring and trashy

ecane
easy townread?
doesn't seem to be trying to impress anyone, which scum might do with the role he's chosen to take itt

Raskolnikov
easy townread; doubt this is so controversial that i need to say more

Gear
is an alt; beware
and yet, nothing much several pages in?
he's here by page #240, but the vote isn't really very solid
cases on page 6 have to be overblown, gears' not excluded, and jack's vote for yoshi isn't even a good example of that fact
thinks like me in #298
with his #427 what i'm suspecting is that his rather stale play only seems clean because he's experienced

Gamma Emerald
says a lot without saying much. but hey it's day 1.
called rask's post "SCUMMY AS FUCK" and said the post "really pinged me" but there was no vote or further show of, er, passion about the possibility of rask scum afterward; one of the most likely shows of disingenuous emotion in the game so far
his #253 is wrong and also facile
so much talk about other people contributing but his posts are literally nothing; he retracts his #253 without prompting, which is interesting, shows a commitment to the truth that problematizes my hypothesis that he's just fluffposting/going through the motions
his #323 is weird; why does he have to be addressed in order to do things?

Jaack
in 226 he mentioned his belief that gerry was a good scum candidate, but had only vaguely gestured at that in his earlier posts
his vote is on gear and he's even made a small case on the dude in post #67, but there's more mention of gerry than him; kind of strange
given that this quip has little basis in his quotes, it seems more likely that the basis is actually in his own mind - ie that he does have actual scumreads and isn't just posturing; it's reasonably possible that he's confabulating scum, though
by post #226 i wish i could sort him as town but he's rather null
seems more town in #310 for obvious reasons; it's a good case for page whatever

these are my notes
it's a lot clearer where i am on everyone now, though the last few pages have made me less sure about lots of things
unfortunately, i don't have enough townreads or clear scumreads to confidently call a duo or trio, but i do have enough that i can demarcate which lynches i would and wouldn't accept today

[Psyche]

it's so weird how someone can go from saying "random quicklynches on day 1 are nbd" to calling inactivity "inexcusable"

It's not weird at all actually. All lynches are useful, even quick lynches. Being a useless lurker isn't at all and is incredibly antitown/scummy.

this such a facile mindset that i'm having a hard time believing you sincerely have it

[Psyche]

like, you understand that if we lynch town today, our odds of winning the game decrease substantially, right?

[Psyche]

and you don't think a random quicklynch might produce less information than the alternatives?

[Psyche]

whatever you say

[Psyche]

hmm that's strange
i suppose i expected my analysis to cause more of a row

[Psyche]

i have no idea what yoshi and jake are even talking about right now

[Psyche]

You would have been better off just posting here and interacting with people instead of doing a reads list.

sometimes ur a misanthrope and just gotta sit down and think

[Psyche]

some statements are like you talking to yourself and left open ended which makes it look like personal notes
but they aren't personal notes because most of it is written with presentation in mind

hmm
i'll make a more sell-oriented post later i suppose
jake was a little right too i guess!

[Psyche]

as i've already said, jack's portrayal of your play is pretty spot on, except you might be town anyway

[Psyche]

oh, between you and

jake

i don't have time for that tbh

[Psyche]

jake jack jake jack

[Psyche]

this jake thing is such a lazy wagon

[Psyche]

i unvoted a long time ago

[Psyche]

has gamma ever made a post with more than two lines

[Psyche]

Btw I should be lynched. It's proper play. Always lynch claimed VT d1 to prevent any other claims being outed

gosh ur so dumb

[Psyche]

light?
suppose i've gotten out of touch i spose
fine with lynch once everyone checks in

[Psyche]

hm, ok then that actually would make sense. anyway, vote gamma this is mafia 100%

didnt you type that light had confirmed herself as town

[Psyche]

scum*

[Psyche]

Seriously: Gerry gets one vote on him and starts to use all-caps and redirect. This is a prime example of flailing.

first off, if he is flailing, what does that have to do with anything?

[Psyche]

Yep, I targeted rask last night. I'm a tracker, and my result was that she did nothing. I wanted to check her out because it would have been good to definitively clear a townread and I've been fooled by rask before.

there's absolutely zero chance that we aren't lynching this today
it isn't even internally consistent
tracking basically never "definitively clears" a town read in situations like these

[Psyche]

oh yeah?
why?

[Psyche]

Because it shows that you are worried about getting lynched way more than a town player would be.

facile

[Psyche]

i did a study a few years back on flailing and found that earning accusations of flailing correlates substantially less with being scum than making such accusations in the first place
that doesn't necessarily refute your point that "flailing" with one vote is scummy, but it leaves your argument as presented so far unconvincing

[Psyche]

What does "facile" mean?

i mean that it's oversimplistic reasoning
townies have plenty of good reasons to respond vigorously to the possibility of getting lynched

[Psyche]

ok
gamma is sort of new
there's no point in paying too much attention to that particular argument today

[Psyche]

yawnwnw

[Psyche]

should always take the sure bet

[Psyche]

he'a about as new as i am.

yeah

[Psyche]

isn't this a normal

[Psyche]

nope, not scum

[Psyche]

gosh gerry that was dumbbb

[Psyche]

gosh gerry that was dumbbb

Who do you think is scum-aligned?

You aren't really doing much now...

what are you doing?

[Psyche]

weird how maria fell so quickly into incoherence

[Psyche]

weren't you gonna wait for me/gear to post more

[Psyche]

No, I will not vote until Gear and Psyche post more because otherwise I will not know who to vote if you quickhammer and I survive to 3p...

[Psyche]

i need to check who ira replaced

the artificiality of maria's posts makes me wonder if this is some kind of gambit by a maria/ira team to clear the other
but that's not too likely though given that they have a simpler path to victory than one involving bussing
i mean, all they'd need to win by quicklynch is some townie voting stupidly
we can therefore conclude confidently that maria and ira aren't both scum

[Psyche]

I'M PISSED BECAUSE SOMEONE FAKED A FUCKING GUILTY ON ONE OF MY TOWNREADS HE HEAVILY SAID HE WAS GUILYU
WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS SHIT SHOW IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT MESS

it was sort of obvious that jerry wasn't an actual cop and never actually claimed a guilty
we were nowhere near deadline, had plenty of time to clarify the whole matter, and you hammered
and supposedly it was a townread you quickhammered too?
you have more than gerry to blame for yesterday's outcome

[Psyche]

no disputing that gerry was dumbest of all of course

[Psyche]

expected her to lash out in response

[Psyche]

Okay, it seems like Jake from State Farm, Raskolnikov, and Gamma Emerald are scum-aligned...

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

Jake from State Farm has the largest wagon, so I am voting him!

not the best track record

[Psyche]

From looking at light_ganski's ISO, it looks like ecane and Gamma Emerald are scum-aligned with her from the read list, and how light_ganski is hesitant to read ecane as town-aligned... There is little interaction with Gamma Emerald, and interaction with ecane is suspicious.

Also, it shows BigYoshiFan and probably Psyche as more town-aligned, the way she is pushing them can't be a bus.

calling the slot he replaced scum is a bold move

[Psyche]

i feel ok saying maria and iraona are both town
actually it sort of makes me gnash my teeth in concern
but whatever, ok

[Psyche]

nvm
the other two aren't scummy snough for me to do that

[Psyche]

I'm gonna leave choosing a scumread to tomorrow.

[Psyche]

maria's play this game had been really bad but sometimes it feels passionate and hard to explain as scum-motivated

[Psyche]

how sure can we be that there are 3 scum

[Psyche]

if we're sure there are 3 scum, then maria is basically ruled out as one of them

[Psyche]

if we're sure there are 3 scum, then maria is basically ruled out as one of them

Why?

I think it's still possible for Gear and MariaR actually... It could be trying to bus him very hard, so she knows Gear isn't town-aligned so unafraid to put him at L-1. Either way, MariaR would not do that as town-aligned when Gear didn't even post...

why would maria bus in a gamestate like this one

[Psyche]

vote maria

[Psyche]

dude it's hard enough finding one scum

[Psyche]

no idea

[Psyche]

people always harping about the past
ira returns to a scumread i've already given up
yoshi returning to a question maria has already answered

[Psyche]

is maria a bad or a good player?

[Psyche]

then what are we waiting for

[Psyche]

You're yelling at me for quickhammering WHEN YOU ALL VOTED HIM AT THE START

I'm getting used as a sheep goat

votes are harmless until someone hammers

[Psyche]

maria's a fan of hammering it seems

[Psyche]

let's find out

[Psyche]

zzz

[Psyche]

i came in assuming all the prs were dead

[Psyche]

yoshi's claim is dubious

[Psyche]

unvote

[Psyche]

yoshi's claim is dubious

Dubious in whether I should claim or not? Yes.
Dubious in the information I am presenting? No.

now you're overselling
there's no reason we should believe you

[Psyche]

how many times has yoshi voted maria just today

[Psyche]

Also, I feel dumb, how did I not realize the roleblock and kill on the same day? Who kept arguing there was only 1 scum left? XD

plenty of setups allow lone scum prs to kill and use their powers in the same night?

[Psyche]

I think Maria is clear but Yoshi is scum pulling a gambit.

[Psyche]

um, yes?

[Psyche]

hell look at rule 5

5. if a player has both a faction ability and a role ability that either both function during day phases or both function during night phases, that player may use both a faction ability and a role ability during the same phase.

[Psyche]

"narrow-minded"
that'll be a quote to remember

[Psyche]

Maria was in a lot of senses the scummiest person by the end of yesterday. If a second scum is generally townread, then they have no reason not to play it safe.
But a lot of calculations about Maria change if it's assumed there are two scum in this thread.

[Psyche]

Okay I believe your 100% town now.

careful

[Psyche]

I don't know what I did wrong

penchant for hammering

[Psyche]

thinking that was a mistake too
but let's just focus on winning

[Psyche]

Why Yoshi is not a tracker:
1. He confused watcher with tracker.

looks like a case of anchoring to me

[Psyche]

damn man google it

[Psyche]

@Iraonavp, did my claim and information make you read MariaR as less scummy at all?

Yes, it's a partial clear so I don't think she's a good lynch despite my read...

If there are two scum-aligned players left, I think MariaR is one though, and the roleblocker performed the kill.

VOTE: Psyche

I don't believe Psyche's read on BigYoshiFan, he knows he will be lynched next if MariaR isn't. He seems like most likely partner to MariaR if there are two, too... I think he is trying to keep his options open to mislynch me by saying careful when BigYoshiFan calls me town-aligned.

Okay, it seems like Jake from State Farm, Raskolnikov, and Gamma Emerald are scum-aligned...

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

Jake from State Farm has the largest wagon, so I am voting him!

ur reads r dirt

[Psyche]

damn man google it

So you are saying you believe him now because he was anchored to his own role?

I find that unbelievable because it's soft evidence compared to your previous opinion that he was gambiting.

I'm saying that gear's evidence supports rather than makes more suspicious yoshi's claim.
My previous opinion that yoshi was gambiting was obviously sort of specious, I thought we already agreed on that a long time ago.

[Psyche]

Okay, you're scum-aligned then

it's your fifteenth mistake this game if you aren't part of the mafia

[Psyche]

Everyone is just under the threshold of scumminess

[Psyche]

this town has been disappointing from start to finish

[Psyche]

Psyche, many of your posts have contributed nothing whatsoever, just meaningless commentary.

that's not true
its your commentary that has been useless

[Psyche]

if you put up a bunch of wall posts but always land your votes on town what good were they

[Psyche]

you can lynch me today and i won't care much
but don't tell yourself again the lie that it was unavoidable or someone else's fault
i've made 116 posts since the game started and they include more substantial analysis than most people in this game have even approached
like your jake votes, like your gamma votes, like your jump-the-gun townreads
your incompetence will again be the day's story

[Psyche]

dumb decision

[Psyche]

that's not true
you're misrepresenting my iso
or just misreading it

[Psyche]

as i've said
my iso has more analysis in it than most people's in this thread
your protrayal of my activity is either lying or ignorance

[Psyche]

and your activity hasn't really been even nearly substantial for most of the game
just a bunch of banal or lazy insights questions that couldn't even imaginably lead anywhere useful besides moments like these

[Psyche]

just a bunch of 1-line or 2-line noncontributing commentary

you know how to click the iso button but apparently not how to read what comes next

[Psyche]

and your activity hasn't really been even nearly substantial for most of the game
just a bunch of banal or lazy insights questions that couldn't even imaginably lead anywhere useful besides moments like these

Neither has yours until today.

day 1 was devoid of much useful to say and then when i said it jake decided to self-implode like i warned he might since the game started
we had a confirmed scum day 2
gamma was quicklynched before most anyone had a chance to say anything

[Psyche]

do you want me to quote and post everything itt i think involves analysis?
because i'll tell you now that it'll look a lot like me linking to my iso

[Psyche]

how many scum do we think are alive

[Psyche]

on day 1 if i'd had to call scum i'd have listed

gamma
gear
gerry
maria
yoshi

it wouldn't have worked out to lynch this way but that's why i'm glad one doesn't have to call scum day 1

unfortunately the majority of everyone i didnt like is still alive

about maria i noted...
her vote on post 89 sort of extended RVS past its expiration date. Post 96 similarly suggests a mindset of someone who's having trouble not just scumhunting but faking scumhunting.
also, her exasperation about the early game's content seems disingenuous
in post 110 she makes her first "srs vote" in order to "get things going" but it's just for Gerry and comes with no justification at all; could she really have believed that would have done something her generic rvs wasn't?
the exchange through her #138 is just mehh, like she just did it to rid herself of suspicion
but there is some evidence of thought process that isn't outright avoidance of suspicion; she's trying to be sophisticated?
still no reads on post #278
380 is lame but seems, investigative?

in general her contribution was lame and looked like acting;
only a few things changed about her afterward
there was her highly specious voting pattern on Day 2, yoshi's tracker claim, and the observation that she indulges in a bit of emotionality, which sort of colors any re-read of her iso
she also talks a lot about her past games, which may imply that she thinks about her behavior in terms of how it compares to her meta
i still think she's scummy; the alternative is that she's a really bad player

about gear i noted...
is an alt; beware
and yet, nothing much several pages in?
he's here by page #240, but the vote isn't really very solid
cases on page 6 have to be overblown, gears' not excluded, and jack's vote for yoshi isn't even a good example of that fact
thinks like me in #298
with his #427 what i'm suspecting is that his rather stale play only seems clean because he's experienced

gear still doesn't do much
he's always in the background, his posts are only substantial on the surface level; he's never really tried to make anything happen; every time he makes a show of reasoning through something the result is sort of specious
the word for his play is "stale", a step above active lurking
i've seen more experienced scum do it; it achieves the middling respectability that leaves the slot neither too suspicious to get lynched nor too townread to make one wonder why the NK hasn't been attracted yet;
the alternative to him being scum is that Gear just doesn't have the time or energy to actually try at this game

about yoshi...
his answer to jaack in #231 is weak;
he's taking a moment to criticize having reads during the early game? who does that help? how does that contribute?
banal reads he only provides upon inquiry; rather passive play overall by #235
400/401 looks better i guess

yoshi is flat out null
nothing comes out that screams town or scum

ecane looked town and so does iraona
if i'm wrong it's sort of lucky that the same scum slot would be filled by two competent scum players in one game

I guess if I'm to believe Yoshi's claim, then I should naturally support Gear's lynch. That idea repels me a lot because Maria seems so scummy while Gear's play is merely stale.

If I don't believe in Yoshi's claim, though, Maria is still the blinkers distracting me from reasonable play. He could easily be the only scum left, clearing Maria to lay groundwork for a gear/psych lynch train (ira would die N3). If there are two scum left, though, then the final scum has to be Maria (making this lylo), which I have trouble believing given Maria's voting record. On the other hand, irano and maria have both volunteered meta information suggesting that maria sometimes indulges in irrational play as scum to improve her position when town engages in associational analyses like these.

For me it's gear vs yoshi. Gear is easier to push, but also maybe wrong.

[Psyche]

Both had opportunities to quicklynch me. That they didn't suggests a 1-scum game. In fact, I'm ready to commit to the 1-scum theory.

[Psyche]

I think anyone who thinks that I am scum after today's posts isn't really trying.

lazy assertion

[Psyche]

Here it sounds like psyche thinks Yoshi's town, but later he says that Yoshi is in his top two scum reads.

i did my analysis after that post
duh

[Psyche]

wanna guys how many times i've thought "duh" reading this thread
i'll tell you when the game is over something to get excited about

[Psyche]

I think anyone who thinks that I am scum after today's posts isn't really trying.

lazy assertion

No it's correct. Getting people out of the belief that there are two scum in the game has been the most pro-town and productive thing to happen today.

lol
congratulations
you're a real genius

[Psyche]

maybe ill nominate you for a scummy when it's all over

[Psyche]

Here it sounds like psyche thinks Yoshi's town, but later he says that Yoshi is in his top two scum reads.

i also said just before that everyone was just under the threshold of scumminess??

[Psyche]

it's poe
i don't have a gut level scumread on anyone besides maria

[Psyche]

anchoring is a cognitive bias that involves interpreting new information with information you already have

[Psyche]

more credible

[Psyche]

every time ira has read someone as scum in this game they've turned out to be town

[Psyche]

fuck you ira vote me then I hope you are town and lose you are the most infuriating player I have ever played with

No, I will not vote until Gear and Psyche post more because otherwise I will not know who to vote if you quickhammer and I survive to 3p...

I think your frustration is very out of place and scum-aligned considering how you clearly know you made a mistake if you are town-aligned. You aren't addressing any of the obvious flaws in your actions and just appeal to emotion...

VOTE: Ira
Idc you're a moron and bad if you're town idgaf you can lose.
If your mafia and I don't know it in psy/gear great!

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

VOTE: MariaR

This is just last resort flailing...

[Psyche]

dude you had a message saying I pinged you. But you still fos'd me. What mafia role would ping you as town

do mafia have better incentive to make this kind of mistake?

[Psyche]

aggressively incompetent

[Psyche]

campaign more maybe