Mini 1836: Space Mafia (Game Over)

[TwoFace]

I did voice the suspicion before.

You did? Was it after your "roleplay" post? Cause you had him as inconclusive

[Naomi-Tan]

Okay guys.. time is nearly Up and as we havn't made any movement to a united town lynch I would like to make a purposal.

Right now lets take all the 12 players and order them from each of our perspectives from green to red. Then we lynch the person who has the highest amount of people red reading them. like think we each give them a number between 1-12 with 12 being most red and 1 being least red. and then add up the numbers and as green we lynch the person with the highest over all number. Its not perfect.. but I don't think we are going to get a united front before the end of tomorrow.

Ew no

but we have 42 hours to get this;

Dunnstral (4)- Zachstralkita, grapes, Toto, TwoFace
Zachstralkita (2)- Dunnstral, Xkfyu
Naomi-Tan (2)- A Simple Plan, massive
massive (2)- Nosferatu, itlepip
Xkfyu (1)- Naomi-Tan
itlepip (1)- gerryoat

into a lynch that everyone agrees on.. and I dont think we can do so... I think the array vote might be the fairest choice.. as we all get a vote and the person who will go will be the person who is MOST red on average over greens reads..

[Naomi-Tan]

I did voice the suspicion before.

You did? Was it after your "roleplay" post? Cause you had him as inconclusive

yeah the roleplay post was merely examining those interactions not my over all feels. my read list before that post had suspicions within it.

[TwoFace]

thoughts on massive and gerry please?

Also how dare you have the nerve, the AUDACITY to ask me what I think of them while voting me for being a "compromise lynch" with 4 days on deadline and 3 votes on me, and then not trying to figure the game out from there

You were 3rd or 4th on my list so it doesn't take any nerve at all.

I've figured the game out already. Now I sit back and laugh when people ignore me

[TwoFace]

Okay guys.. time is nearly Up and as we havn't made any movement to a united town lynch I would like to make a purposal.

Right now lets take all the 12 players and order them from each of our perspectives from green to red. Then we lynch the person who has the highest amount of people red reading them. like think we each give them a number between 1-12 with 12 being most red and 1 being least red. and then add up the numbers and as green we lynch the person with the highest over all number. Its not perfect.. but I don't think we are going to get a united front before the end of tomorrow.

Ew no

but we have 42 hours to get this;

Dunnstral (4)- Zachstralkita, grapes, Toto, TwoFace
Zachstralkita (2)- Dunnstral, Xkfyu
Naomi-Tan (2)- A Simple Plan, massive
massive (2)- Nosferatu, itlepip
Xkfyu (1)- Naomi-Tan
itlepip (1)- gerryoat

into a lynch that everyone agrees on.. and I dont think we can do so... I think the array vote might be the fairest choice.. as we all get a vote and the person who will go will be the person who is MOST red on average over greens reads..

there are ways to do that without everyone making a list of all their reads. That list helps scum more than it helps town

[Dunnstral]

I've figured the game out already. Now I sit back and laugh when people ignore me

Amazing. Nobodies flipped and you're willing to lynch your 4th highest scumread (while also scumreading Zach)

With multiple days on deadline and act like you've got the game solved

[PantherPunt]

And you are saying that toto is guilty of doing that^?

You're the one guilty of doing that

ok so baby steps...still trying to figure out your thought process.

I'm guilty of: brushing aside an arguement and saying "I don't see it"

and you're saying thats scummy behavior (and I believe driving that with your assertion that I once made that argument)

am I on track now?

Yes, except you didn't brush aside an argument, you brushed aside general notions near the beginning that toto is scum

So I brushed aside notions that toto is scum

And that made you go: "If toto is town, Panther might be scum with Zach"

???

[Nosferatu]

I didn't commit on reads for any of the main wagons before I left so I can't slap a vote on one of them for a lynch smh

[TwoFace]

I've figured the game out already. Now I sit back and laugh when people ignore me

Amazing. Nobodies flipped and you're willing to lynch your 4th highest scumread (while also scumreading Zach)

With multiple days on deadline and act like you've got the game solved

I am not, nor have I ever scum read zach.

[PantherPunt]

I didn't commit on reads for any of the main wagons before I left so I can't slap a vote on one of them for a lynch smh

who / what thought are you replying to here?

are you saying you don't have reads on anyone outside of who you're voting for?

[TwoFace]

I have actually said numerous times I think he's town.

In a game where there are 3/4 possible scum, why do you have an issue with me voting one of the 3/4 people who I think is scum? Especially when deadline is near and I've been suspicious of that person most the entire game?

Doesn't matter who goes first, as long as it's a scum read

[Dunnstral]

And you are saying that toto is guilty of doing that^?

You're the one guilty of doing that

ok so baby steps...still trying to figure out your thought process.

I'm guilty of: brushing aside an arguement and saying "I don't see it"

and you're saying thats scummy behavior (and I believe driving that with your assertion that I once made that argument)

am I on track now?

Yes, except you didn't brush aside an argument, you brushed aside general notions near the beginning that toto is scum

So I brushed aside notions that toto is scum

And that made you go: "If toto is town, Panther might be scum with Zach"

???

I individually think Zach is scum. Doesn't help that you had nothing to say

[Toto]

the quoted post from toto is towny imho. it's not often you're going to see scum say "I suggest we lynch X and I don't really think she's that scummy"

I disagree, Pantherino. all he's doing is attempting to absolve himself of responsibility by claiming that he doesn't even SR her.

The objective is to lynch scum here. Ergo if you don't think someone's scum, why are you lynching them? Naomi hasn't been disruptive at all to warrant a lynch. It's not her or my fault that people want to act so wacky about it.

I just don't have a strong scum read on them. I don't have a town read either. The results of the mix-up are not good for town. You could conjecture from there it has a slight scum-lean.

For instance. I think there is a decent chance that the slip was intentional. If it was intentional then I can see Scum using this to create chaos (please bear with me if this doesn't make sense since I don't have as much experience on the consequences of these type of actions, but in this instance it seems to have succeeded)

Under this theory my top scum read (dunn) was another 'catalyst' in the process, which seems to line up with the hypothesis that they (as part of the scum team) planned this in advance.

Alternatively it could have been intentionally done as to catalyzer to find scum, some sort of Slayer Gambit, but I think she would have declared it as such if that was the case already. So I don't think this is likely.

So, lastly, it could be either a scum-mistake or a town-mistake. The type (blue vs green) of mistake does inflate the probability that this was a scum-mistake. I'm not sure if that's enough to compensate the lower chance of Naomi starting a scum to begin with, but it definitely should balance it.

Based on the above the chances of Naomi being scum are higher than average, and if I had not other stronger reads I would definitely lynch her.

[PantherPunt]

And you are saying that toto is guilty of doing that^?

You're the one guilty of doing that

ok so baby steps...still trying to figure out your thought process.

I'm guilty of: brushing aside an arguement and saying "I don't see it"

and you're saying thats scummy behavior (and I believe driving that with your assertion that I once made that argument)

am I on track now?

Yes, except you didn't brush aside an argument, you brushed aside general notions near the beginning that toto is scum

So I brushed aside notions that toto is scum

And that made you go: "If toto is town, Panther might be scum with Zach"

???

I individually think Zach is scum. Doesn't help that you had nothing to say

nonononononononono no
you don't get to ignore the whole part I've been painstakingly prying thoughts out of you about

how did you, in your head, formulate this thought:
Panther is brushing aside early thread notions that toto is scum
if toto is town, then panther is probably scum

[Dunnstral]

Doesn't matter who goes first, as long as it's a scum read

But by your own words it was a "consolidation lynch"

[PantherPunt]

Spoiler:

the quoted post from toto is towny imho. it's not often you're going to see scum say "I suggest we lynch X and I don't really think she's that scummy"

I disagree, Pantherino. all he's doing is attempting to absolve himself of responsibility by claiming that he doesn't even SR her.

The objective is to lynch scum here. Ergo if you don't think someone's scum, why are you lynching them? Naomi hasn't been disruptive at all to warrant a lynch. It's not her or my fault that people want to act so wacky about it.

I just don't have a strong scum read on them. I don't have a town read either. The results of the mix-up are not good for town. You could conjecture from there it has a slight scum-lean.

For instance. I think there is a decent chance that the slip was intentional. If it was intentional then I can see Scum using this to create chaos (please bear with me if this doesn't make sense since I don't have as much experience on the consequences of these type of actions, but in this instance it seems to have succeeded)

Under this theory my top scum read (dunn) was another 'catalyst' in the process, which seems to line up with the hypothesis that they (as part of the scum team) planned this in advance.

Alternatively it could have been intentionally done as to catalyzer to find scum, some sort of Slayer Gambit, but I think she would have declared it as such if that was the case already. So I don't think this is likely.

So, lastly, it could be either a scum-mistake or a town-mistake. The type (blue vs green) of mistake does inflate the probability that this was a scum-mistake. I'm not sure if that's enough to compensate the lower chance of Naomi starting a scum to begin with, but it definitely should balance it.

Based on the above the chances of Naomi being scum are higher than average, and if I had not other stronger reads I would definitely lynch her.

there is a reference to a 'slip' here
haven't gotten there in my reading, but if someone accused naomi of calling towns 'blue' being a slip...I'm going to be very interested to read their thought on that and what everyone else chimed in with
or there's something else that I haven't read...but I'm inferring from your blabber

[Dunnstral]

That's what's already happening. It sucks but yeah. Dunn is the consolidation lynch

vote: Dunn

Because the people I want lynched aren't going to, there's about 3 days left, he's not in my town pile, he's the closest to lynch.

It's pointless to park on somebody who's not going to get lynched.

"There's 3 days left"

There were 5 days left

[TwoFace]

Doesn't matter who goes first, as long as it's a scum read

But by your own words it was a "consolidation lynch"

And?

[TwoFace]

That's what's already happening. It sucks but yeah. Dunn is the consolidation lynch

vote: Dunn

Because the people I want lynched aren't going to, there's about 3 days left, he's not in my town pile, he's the closest to lynch.

It's pointless to park on somebody who's not going to get lynched.

"There's 3 days left"

There were 5 days left

There was 3 and some change actually.

[Nosferatu]

I didn't commit on reads for any of the main wagons before I left so I can't slap a vote on one of them for a lynch smh

who / what thought are you replying to here?

are you saying you don't have reads on anyone outside of who you're voting for?

I'm just making an comment about the encroaching deadline and my inability to solve the problem of not committing to a wagon without going back to re-read.

Otherwise on that note, I actually don't think I changed my vote since RVS, so that vote isn't indicative of any read.
UNVOTE: massive

[Dunnstral]

how did you, in your head, formulate this thought:
Panther is brushing aside early thread notions that toto is scum
if toto is town, then panther is probably scum

I told you - by your own logic:

Saying you can't see them as scum when there arereasons to scumread them at that point in the game, is something scum would do to look good

[Dunnstral]

Doesn't matter who goes first, as long as it's a scum read

But by your own words it was a "consolidation lynch"

And?

And, you're contradicting yourself/can't keep your story straight

[Dunnstral]

There was 3 and some change actually.

It was 4

[Toto]

there is a reference to a 'slip' here
haven't gotten there in my reading, but if someone accused naomi of calling towns 'blue' being a slip...I'm going to be very interested to read their thought on that and what everyone else chimed in with
or there's something else that I haven't read...but I'm inferring from your blabber

You might want to check Massive. There was a discussion between him, Naomi and Dunn. There was a wagon on naomi, a wagon on massive, and much much more side shows!

[PantherPunt]

how did you, in your head, formulate this thought:
Panther is brushing aside early thread notions that toto is scum
if toto is town, then panther is probably scum

I told you - by your own logic:

Saying you can't see them as scum when there arereasons to scumread them at that point in the game, is something scum would do to look good

I disagree with the reasons to scum read them at that point in the game. You're arguing now that scum look to not scumread town when someone thinks there are reasons to scumread them. WHAT

and still, by no measure of logic, does your progression make sense where you say "if toto is town, panther is scum" based upon any of that

also you're masturbating with twoface right now about days left til lynch (which began because you said you're not offering your thoughts on who he asked for thoughts on by reason that he's voting you)

yet you're not calling him scum are you? so what are you doing