[Mini 1835] - Everything Is A Lie Mafia 4 (Abandoned)

[BNL]

@Vedith Can your lie detector check posts in PTs or in the main thread only?

[Ircher]

You guys sure post a lot
Final day of vacation, ill read up tomorrow.
Is the DL really 5 hours? Is that because BNL is already lynched?

Were you able to access MS before this after D2 started?

I didnt notice anything strange....

[BNL]

RE: L&L guilty

Interestingly, my results color was in #FF8001 (not #FF8000). I'm pretty sure this is a scum messenger trying to give a fake result. I knew this from the start, I just pretended I didn't know it at first in order to bait out the messenger into claiming. Which is also why I was so suspicious at Vedith saying that Ircher true claimed, though Ircher has clarified.

[BNL]

You guys sure post a lot
Final day of vacation, ill read up tomorrow.
Is the DL really 5 hours? Is that because BNL is already lynched?

Were you able to access MS before this after D2 started?

I didnt notice anything strange....

This question seems useless but it has a purpose, will reveal later.

[Rylai and Lina]

@Vedith why didn't you use your lie detector to confirm shos claim about the second counsel vote or on counsel to confirm their calim about shos or their claims?

how that Ircher post was meaning anything to a mason - where as a mason pov neighborizers are likely scum or you had doubts about your masons? cause that makes no sense about the way you advertised your all town.

[Rylai and Lina]

@Vedith why didn't you use your lie detector to confirm shos claim about the second counsel vote or on counsel to confirm their calim about shos or their claims?

how that Ircher post was meaning anything to a mason - where as a mason pov neighborizers are likely scum or you had doubts about your masons? cause that makes no sense about the way you advertised your all town.

[Ircher]

@Vedith Can your lie detector check posts in PTs or in the main thread only?

I'd imagine its 1-shot and he already used the shot.

[Ircher]

@Vedith why didn't you use your lie detector to confirm shos claim about the second counsel vote or on counsel to confirm their calim about shos or their claims?

how that Ircher post was meaning anything to a mason - where as a mason pov neighborizers are likely scum or you had doubts about your masons? cause that makes no sense about the way you advertised your all town.

I wanted to be neighborized cuz I'm an amnesiac cop and it would've given me a reliable person to share results with with outing myself to the entire thread.

[Rylai and Lina]

@Vedith Can your lie detector check posts in PTs or in the main thread only?

I'd imagine its 1-shot and he already used the shot.

The question is why he is trusting the result like its 100% true and why he used it in this manner on such a useless post.

pedit : So why did you out yourself to thread today without any reasons anyway? Your result was outed by Counsel and no one was trying to ask them about the source.

[BNL]

RE: Lynch evasion

I'm one-shot lynchproof. Which is why I didn't claim yesterday: It's pointless, and claiming lynchproof will increase the want for town to lynch me, distracting from other players. It'll be much better if I could've deflected my lynch without claiming (though ofc I failed to do this)

[BNL]

@Vedith Can your lie detector check posts in PTs or in the main thread only?

I'd imagine its 1-shot and he already used the shot.

That wasn't the point of the question; I still want it answered.

[BNL]

@Vedith why didn't you use your lie detector to confirm shos claim about the second counsel vote or on counsel to confirm their calim about shos or their claims?

how that Ircher post was meaning anything to a mason - where as a mason pov neighborizers are likely scum or you had doubts about your masons? cause that makes no sense about the way you advertised your all town.

Wow actually, that's a good point I haven't noticed.

[Ircher]

@Vedith Can your lie detector check posts in PTs or in the main thread only?

I'd imagine its 1-shot and he already used the shot.

The question is why he is trusting the result like its 100% true and why he used it in this manner on such a useless post.

pedit : So why did you out yourself to thread today without any reasons anyway? Your result was outed by Counsel and no one was trying to ask them about the source.

Half of it is because 1) The Counsel got No Result meaning I likely got RB'd and 2) It was quite obvious that everyone had picked up on my role besides you despite the fact that I crumbed it a bazillion times & even quoted the crumbs for you.

That's what deathtunneling does -- It messes up other players and make them have to do things they shouldn't have to do.

[Ircher]

@Vedith why didn't you use your lie detector to confirm shos claim about the second counsel vote or on counsel to confirm their calim about shos or their claims?

how that Ircher post was meaning anything to a mason - where as a mason pov neighborizers are likely scum or you had doubts about your masons? cause that makes no sense about the way you advertised your all town.

Wow actually, that's a good point I haven't noticed.

Yeah, I kinda agree that that wasnt a good post to choose.

[BNL]

I think that going by setup spec, Vedith and Flames are both scum (traitors, specifically). I'd rather lynch Vedith than Flames.

As an aside, I'm expecting 7 scum/6 town total.

[Vedith]

Why didn't you claim this when you first claimed lie detector?

I assumed it was standard.
Never had this role before.

Is it true that you were initially unwilling to claim, and if so, why?

He wasn't actually unwilling, just advised against us outting.

@Vedith Can your lie detector check posts in PTs or in the main thread only?

Main thread

@Vedith why didn't you use your lie detector to confirm shos claim about the second counsel vote or on counsel to confirm their calim about shos or their claims?

Correct.
I originally wanted to check you, but as I said, the game day ended before you had a chance to reply. I wanted to check the what looked like T v S (Although this has changed now).

I'd imagine its 1-shot and he already used the shot.

No, it's not 1 shot.
I can do this or another ability at night.

[Vedith]

Yeah, I kinda agree that that wasnt a good post to choose.

Why not? The way to find scum is by the small things. Lying about this would have been small and an easy scum tell.
I stand by that scum give up small lies/slips rather than big ones 9/10.

[Vedith]

As an aside, I'm expecting 7 scum/6 town total.

Very doubtful.
If 2 scum factions then it's
1 Werewolf / 1 Werewolf recruitable
2 Mafia/Alien (could explain no first kill if Alien) and 1 or 0 traitor.

If 3 scum factions
1 Were wolf / 1 Werewolf recruitable
1 Mafia / 1 traior
1 Alien / 1 recruitable or 2 Aliens

I highly doubt there's more than 6 scum. 6 scum. I'd favour more 5 with the first option of a traitor on Mafia.

But, hey what do I know.

[Rylai and Lina]

Your mason partner were informed about your lie detection or not?

The shos/counsel claims are 1v1 and the only way for both to not be liars is that the mod was lieing to counsel with the name so with your lie detection you could make a 1v1 or clear 2 people to each other.

putting that aside assuming you couldn't realize that I still don't know how do you think someone getting more powerful in neighbourhood is towny when you are already a mason who trusts their mason buddies.

[Vedith]

Your mason partner were informed about your lie detection or not?

The shos/counsel claims are 1v1 and the only way for both to not be liars is that the mod was lieing to counsel with the name so with your lie detection you could make a 1v1 or clear 2 people to each other.

putting that aside assuming you couldn't realize that I still don't know how do you think someone getting more powerful in neighbourhood is towny when you are already a mason who trusts their mason buddies.

Let me confirm again, I had constantly been saying that there was scum in the Mason group.
Although it was just assumed as 1 (and clarified) this was my view on it.
I told both Kuroi and Flames as a reaction check to see if they would both post or not. They were both aware that I could do a lie test, but not if it was x shots.
I did however, believe that Flames was town instantly when Kuroi confirmed himself as Werewolf (Although it could still be correct, was a little silly I guess). I then told Flames about the Sensor shot before doing it (I think it was before, I'll check when home).

As I said, it is a post that scum would lie about. It wasn't a lie, he's not scum.

That's all I have on the matter.
As scum, people wouldn't know of my role so easily, and neither would I have said I'm mason.
I'm really not subtle as town with power or results, and most people know this already.

[shos]

FINALLY!!!! I HAZ A COMPUTER!!!!!

And I will post before sleep somewhen! yay!
meanwhile here's a hamburger ^_^

[shos]

L&L brings up a good point about masons.

I really think it was my point, not theirs >_>; /takes credit

So almost certainly scum in Vedith and Flames, interesting

Yes, it seems.

I tracked Flames tonight. I will not reveal my result, but I will say that I do have a result, and of these two, I'd like to get Vedith done with today.

[shos]

Well if you think that they should claim, then I'm a mason.
The other mason has already said that they don't want to reveal today, but the lack of communication and from that with Sho's post saying that they could be traitor makes me wonder.

I'm wondering why Vedith never considered the possibility of more than one scum in the mason chat until someone brought it up. Prior to shos's post he said in the PT that he was certain I was town because Kuroi had outed himself.

?
I don't understand why kuroi outing himself would make you town. But let's disregard that for a second - could you elaborate on *why* a scum traitor would reveal himself there, anyway?
The only reason I can think of is if he thought both his mason buddies are scum with him?

and when did he do that? during the night?

[shos]

Yeah BNL tf was up with the lynch failing?
If you're town not revealing that was anti town as hell

+1.
and if you knew you weren't going to die, did you know if lynching you would have ended the day?
because the lynch may have happened (or may not have, I don't know what the fuck yoghurt intended there), but it was damn near close to DL, so it might just have been DL cutoff?

I checked the VC and it says -

BulletNLynchproof (9) [LYNCH!]: Davsto, Vedith, KuroiXHF, xyzzy, shos, Leather and Lace, Ircher, malpascp

so you *were* lynched, but with 9 votes.. so this may be xyzzy's doublevote not worth 2, or you were loved.?

Why are you only concerned with this now?

"only", lol. I think I was the *only* one who actually asked the question before so. Why did you NOT be concerned about this until now? O_o

You guys sure post a lot
Final day of vacation, ill read up tomorrow.
Is the DL really 5 hours? Is that because BNL is already lynched?

Were you able to access MS before this after D2 started?

France has nearly no open wifi, and even when there is you rarely are able to access without some login code. so only from the rented home, through phone. why?

"I am town"

I cannot do I am town/scum posts.
This is why I asked Rylai & Lina who was in their PT hoping they would answer before day end.

Why didn't you claim this when you first claimed lie detector?

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is a lot of ! marks!

Kuroi, Vedith, and I are masons.

Last night Vedith said he has a lie detector and instructed us to post that we weren't in any other PTs. However, I'm wondering why he lie detected Ircher's post if he said he would use it on us last night.

Is it true that you were initially unwilling to claim, and if so, why?

I kinda don't wanna lytnch BNL anymore. These are good stuff

[shos]

You guys sure post a lot
Final day of vacation, ill read up tomorrow.
Is the DL really 5 hours? Is that because BNL is already lynched?

Were you able to access MS before this after D2 started?

I didnt notice anything strange....

????

RE: L&L guilty

Interestingly, my results color was in #FF8001 (not #FF8000). I'm pretty sure this is a scum messenger trying to give a fake result. I knew this from the start, I just pretended I didn't know it at first in order to bait out the messenger into claiming. Which is also why I was so suspicious at Vedith saying that Ircher true claimed, though Ircher has clarified.

That would sorta be impersonating the mod, which is usually a modkillable offense......

@MOD ^^^

You guys sure post a lot
Final day of vacation, ill read up tomorrow.
Is the DL really 5 hours? Is that because BNL is already lynched?

Were you able to access MS before this after D2 started?

I didnt notice anything strange....

This question seems useless but it has a purpose, will reveal later.

explain please.?