Mini 1836: Space Mafia (Game Over)

[PantherPunt]

Mental note. ISO grapes soon

I just read this ISO and I want to kill now

VOTE: grapes

[PantherPunt]

MariaR
<Pre-Iso*> Pretty much what I expect out of MariaR will be later in the game where I can work her out.. so yeah
<Post-Iso> Sigh.. Okay one of my stronger green! reads. MariaR has played with me before and understands sorta how I act/play the game and If she was !red motivated I feel she would be taking what would be a nearly free lynch on her part. The fact she stepped upto the plate to defend me just confirms her Green status to me. as there is no major !Red motivation for doing so.

She's town because she thinks your town. Am I getting the gist of this paragraph here?

quoting Naomi here and critiquing/shading her for thinking Maria is town bc Maria townreads Naomi

Naomi, there's no way you could think I'm scum. Nobody else in the game gave you a chance.

Vig and friendly neighbor in the same setup doesn't make a lot of sense to me either but meh. I haven't played an SS game before.

wants Naomi to townread him because he gave her a chance.

this post read as super super awkward to me and I haven't called it out yet. It reads like "hey I tried to buddy you by not pushing on you when others did...how can you be scumreading me this isn't how I intended this to go" type of post

it's hard to think how a town mentality is "no way you think I'm scum since I didn't push on you when everyone else did"
it's like acknowledging that she's town and that it should be given credit

and then he comes back and says he'd lynch naomi if not dunn

[TwoFace]

Mental note. ISO grapes soon

I just read this ISO and I want to kill now

VOTE: grapes

Do you think he could be scum with Gerry?

[Naomi-Tan]

Grapes. I believe its a roleblocker. given both your reactions. but if that wasn't a thing then I'd go with You being Red! its far more likely you lied about not getting his pm than him making that fake claim.

Why is it not equally likely

that we'd want to trade

, naomi?

Your thought process makes no sense.

explain what this means and what you're saying here

Well, given the roleclaim isn't something good to fake-claim and I was greenish reading grapes before hand, I just thought it was more likely to be a roleblock as it would benefit reds to miss lead in this way. If it was me i'd voted him right off I didn't consider RB until it got brought up and I got the mod to confirm it. but as they was both kinda null // Slight green I think a RB was more likely.

[Naomi-Tan]

Why is it not equally likely that we'd want to trade, naomi?

Your thought process makes no sense.

because if you trade (Red!Dunn X Red!grapes where one lynches the other), you lynch Dunn. Resulting in unconfirmed Grapes (still) or you'd get yourself lynched and we get Confirmed!dunn but If you wanted to confirm Dunn you could do so just by saying you got the pm and not lose a team member in the process.

and that was my response to his comment if you missed it.

[Xkfyu]

Mental note. ISO grapes soon

I just read this ISO and I want to kill now

VOTE: grapes

Nah man. We're lynching Gerry today.

[Naomi-Tan]

Why is it not equally likely that we'd want to trade, naomi?

Your thought process makes no sense.

because if you trade (Red!Dunn X Red!grapes where one lynches the other), you lynch Dunn. Resulting in unconfirmed Grapes (still) or you'd get yourself lynched and we get Confirmed!dunn but If you wanted to confirm Dunn you could do so just by saying you got the pm and not lose a team member in the process.

When I get the chance I must do another big read ISO.

[Dunnstral]

Panther prodding me about my visit target and then not responding to that anymore after Grapes came on also looks bad. He knew that one way or another Grapes would be saying they recieved no message. Same with Nosferatu to a lesser extent

Explain how that "looks bad"

When people claim actions, I ask why they did what they did to see if they have an explanation that makes sense and shows that thought was given. It's something that should be asked to every single action claim.

You need to put into words why that's bad

You started throwing doubt because you knew I was roleblocked, but it's before Grapes posted. That's what I'm saying

[Dunnstral]

@Mod; In the hypothetical situation that a messenger was roleblocked during this can would they be informed that there action failed?

Can you clarify what you mean by "messenger"?

Speculative - mod not knowing what Naomi is referring to here is a bad look.

It also is pretty modspewy that Naomi is town. Sorry I'm not sorry for the angleshot.

Bad look for who? Also I disagree that this is indicative from the mod

[Dunnstral]

But I've given plenty of reasons. I'll recap for you:

Panther replaces in, immediately goes hard on me, asking me tons of questions. Says nothing to Zach; minimal interaction between the two at all
I call it out, say Panther and Zach are scum, Panther gets defensive of both himself and Zach. Still won't look over Zach fairly
Panther votes itlepip and MariaR as wagons near deadline. Both of these people thought Zach was scum and I was town. Both of these people are now dead.

If you're curious I invite you to go over Panther's iso and look over his interactions with Zach. Go over Zach's iso and look at his interactions with Panther. They're scum

I visited Grapes

What made you pick grapes

Panther was questioning me before grapes had even revealed that they didn't get a message. Still don't understand the purpose of this question

Between Zach and Panther, Panther seems more likely to happen. I'd be voting Zach if it would lead to his lynch

Now, as I've locked down 2/3 scum, you can see why I'm, hesitant to consider one of gerry/massive to be the last scum. And why should I chance it? If they're town what does that reveal?

When you are locked into a read you haven't explained, and are not pushing/probing/solving any other players, is it not appropriate to ask questions as to the basis of that read to try to figure out if I can get behind it or if it's completely made up? That's not appropriate?

I was trying to look at Zach by way of asking you 57 times to give me some level of explanation of your read. I read his posts and didn't want to lynch him - simple as that. You had an opportunity to talk about him and you refused time after time after time after time. Mafia isn't about just having reads it's very much moreso about effectively communicating them. You failed miserably.

Voting itlepip was a product of him similarly looking scummy and lacking explanations. Maria was an attempt to avoid a no lynch based on the votecount when I was in thread trying very hard to avoid a no lynch. You voted Nos by yourself, only mentioned it as consolidation you were cool with, and left. Nobody else voted there and you don't get to bitch about that whatsoever. You were a major factor in no lynch happening and you're lucky you weren't lynched.

I questioned why you targeted who you targeted because I was giving thought to what targets made sense and which would not. I wanted to see if you gave the target some thought and could explain it. It's something that needed to be questioned. I don't understand why asking you that question is anything alignment indicative in the slightest. It's towny bc it came from me but it sure as shit isn't something that you are justified in shading me for

Why does it matter if it makes sense if Grapes came back with the result

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: gerryoat

I'm also "cool" with this.

Why were you voting Naomi day start.

[Dunnstral]

if dunn is actually legit and as much as I hate to say it I think it's slightly more probable in a vaccuum

then I feel strongly about twoface, naomi, dunn

that unfortunately leaves 6

So you decide to vote grapes

But you just said Zach was bad

What are your reads

[Zachstralkita]

What the fuck did I walk back into

VOTE: Dunn

we have practically conf scum??

He is faking probably.

I know if I did that you all would be speedlynching me.

His decent skills as an orator are the fragile threads preventing his existence from being obliterated

aside from that clearly you know manufactured push on Panther and I

these are bad

Your vote on grapes is worse by a considerable margin

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Zach

[Zachstralkita]

Does no one also care how bad dunn is misrepping panthers pov on me and also managing to associate us......

along with the many other things dunn has misrepped

[Dunnstral]

along with the many other things dunn has misrepped

Go on

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, is it possible that you and Zach are both town and you mis-read him?

@Grapes: why is gerry scum only if Dunn is town?

I don't think so

Considering massive/gerry as scum, possibly in place of Panther

Most sure on Zach

[Xkfyu]

@Mod; In the hypothetical situation that a messenger was roleblocked during this can would they be informed that there action failed?

Can you clarify what you mean by "messenger"?

Speculative - mod not knowing what Naomi is referring to here is a bad look.

It also is pretty modspewy that Naomi is town. Sorry I'm not sorry for the angleshot.

Bad look for who? Also I disagree that this is indicative from the mod

I could see how it could look "modspewy" ....but only if you already knew that Naomi is town.

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: Zach

Vote Gerry with us.

[Zachstralkita]

along with the many other things dunn has misrepped

Go on

all i know is that you post a lot in succession and also somehow make it look like you're doing something. you also insist on not using periods(rarely commas) but never forgoing capital letters

and it works. none of them want to lynch you anymore

You've somehow managed to even damage the credibility of gerryoat (whose credibility was fine. except in the eyes of twoface) simply because we know you're scum..

@Mod; In the hypothetical situation that a messenger was roleblocked during this can would they be informed that there action failed?

Can you clarify what you mean by "messenger"?

Speculative - mod not knowing what Naomi is referring to here is a bad look.

It also is pretty modspewy that Naomi is town. Sorry I'm not sorry for the angleshot.

Bad look for who? Also I disagree that this is indicative from the mod

I could see how it could look "modspewy" ....but only if you already knew that Naomi is town.

aaaaaaaaand we have an opportunistic post here from xkfyu

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: Zach

Vote Gerry with us.

Or we can go back to Panther. I'd be perfectly fine with that.

[Xkfyu]

aaaaaaaaand we have an opportunistic post here from xkfyu

What of it?

[Zachstralkita]

There wasn't anything AI about the way Panther responded to that.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Zach

Vote Gerry with us.

I'll consider him.

[Dunnstral]

all i know is that you post a lot in succession and also somehow make it look like you're doing something. you also insist on not using periods(rarely commas) but never forgoing capital letters

and it works. none of them want to lynch you anymore

You've somehow managed to even damage the credibility of gerryoat (whose credibility was fine. except in the eyes of twoface) simply because we know you're scum..

LOL

Yeah me posting in succession and "not using commas" (I do) is me "misrepping" votes off of me

Also, you act as if I manufactured this Gerry wagon and pushed him but that's so untrue