The Thing Mafia - Game over!

[Skybird]

I'm a much nicer person when I get enough sleep.

@Wraith is your concern more tied to the role or to McMenno?

[Wraith]

Picking Vengeful Strongman when you have the pick of the litter is not pro-Town

[McMenno]

no, it's insurance :^)

[McMenno]

are you afraid, wraith?

[Skybird]

Hmm. Why do you feel you need insurance McMenno? I don't see you as lynchbait but I also don't see you as a player that needs to be worried about getting NK'd early on.

[SirCakez]

@SirCakez : can we send our draft choice via PM so when it hits our turn in queue you've got it already (that way sayyy, if we can't post for 24 hours, there's no bottleneck?) I don't want to share publicly what I want before it is my turn (and think it best for everyone to be like that, but, not going to try and direct that agenda)

If you won't be around for 24 hours, then sure

[SirCakez]

McMenno has drafted Palmer!

Hi I'm yakko is up.

[Spiffeh]

McMenno can you elaborate on why you picked Vengeful?

[DiamondSentinel]

This is why I can't be silly on this account.

Anyways enough detracting from game.
I think Tammy is gullible town.
I also don't want her being a treestump, Spiffeh would be better.

Because he's a scumfuck who wants to make sure he doesn't get lynched.

[DiamondSentinel]

does Fire Assassin (or his main, rather) often distract during a game as town & scum, or, what is the general breakdown? is it something you* can even read during this pre-RVS draft phase we are in?

from as many players who care to share their perspective

Here is a good opportunity for me to introduce you all to General Yu

*General Yu is not the specific YOU, but the general you, and I often try to denote in one way or the other if I'm speaking to a general you or a specific you, but sometimes I forget in the passion of typing. If I am being smart and articulate I will often go back and rephrase without a "you."

If I use the general you in a response to a specific you, I usually like feedback from the entire group of players in regards to whatever I'm General Yu-ing. In this example, I don't just want DiamondSentinel's opinion on if he "can even read during this pre-RVS draft phase we are in?", but I want to know if he thinks that the General Yu can do that, and I want the General Yu to do the same, generally.

loookout!

Well, let's just say that he's not particularly known for being the most productive...

[McMenno]

Hmm. Why do you feel you need insurance McMenno? I don't see you as lynchbait but I also don't see you as a player that needs to be worried about getting NK'd early on.

I don't think you know how vengeful works

McMenno can you elaborate on why you picked Vengeful?

people die when they are lynched

[Generation X]

@Mod are there role the Universal Backup cannot copy? What happens if Garry is the first to die, must the UB die before the Backup Vig gets their shot?

~GE

[Wraith]

@Mod are there role the Universal Backup cannot copy? What happens if Garry is the first to die, must the UB die before the Backup Vig gets their shot?

~GE

From the way it's worded, it looks like if Garry died the UB would take his role and Peder would get his shot, so you'd have two Vigs simultaneously. However, there's not much point to doing that because it would require us to lynch Goatmeal D1, wasting the shot anyway. Far more valuable to keep Peder bulletproof as long as possible.

[PeregrineV]

And how exactly does one force a "big" player into the treestump role?

"X will use the treestump role the best. Anyone else who picks the treestump role gets turbolynched when Day starts."

I'm taking the treestump role if it's available

Same.

[Creature]

McMenno could be scum this game.

[Spiffeh]

people die when they are lynched

I didn't request a random fact about mafia

I asked why you picked vengeful

[Spiffeh]

Because he's a scumfuck who wants to make sure he doesn't get lynched.

Who is this in reference to?

[Spiffeh]

I have pretty confident town reads in Tammy and Wraith

Fire Assassin and drealmerz7 also seem town

[hi im Yakko]

I am dr.copper

[MagnaofIllusion]

So I’m quite curious why the fuss over a Strongman Vengeful Lyncher role being taken by McMenno.

I mean – it is a completely suboptimal role choice for scum. It has to by lynched at a point where all the unused Vig shots misfiring in a Night would still maintain us in MYLO. That’s hardly a recipe for surviving long term.

[Wraith]

So I’m quite curious why the fuss over a Strongman Vengeful Lyncher role being taken by McMenno.

I mean – it is a completely suboptimal role choice for scum. It has to by lynched at a point where all the unused Vig shots misfiring in a Night would still maintain us in MYLO. That’s hardly a recipe for surviving long term.

Are you sure? It's essentially a free kill as a failsafe, and the effect automatically makes the town less willing to lynch them. The Vengeful is not very useful to the town until the late stages of the game, since the scum can easily neutralize it by nightkilling him and the Vengeful kill is far more likely to hit town than scum from a probability standpoint (depending how early the Vengeful is lynched, of course).

[MagnaofIllusion]

Are you sure? It's essentially a free kill as a failsafe, and the effect automatically makes the town less willing to lynch them. The Vengeful is not very useful to the town until the late stages of the game, since the scum can easily neutralize it by nightkilling him and the Vengeful kill is far more likely to hit town than scum from a probability standpoint (depending how early the Vengeful is lynched, of course).

I'm positive. It's like claiming Miller - that claim has to be resolved well before LYLO either by rope or Nightkill.

On the Town side - I disagree with you that Vengeful isn't that strong for Town.

Exhibit A - That 70s SmallTown Mafia.

I specifically chose the Vengekill to keep it out of scum's hands. Was lynched for the sort of paranoia being floated here and shot scum. Granted this is a Mini Theme but the principal still applies - well managed a Vengekill can be powerful for Town.

And yes, as scum it can get them a free kill if they are lynched. They can be vigged removing that threat.

At this point McMenno has established he'd better play Obv-Town times 5 or he's getting Vigged or lynched very early. Which is not a good scum strategy.

[Wraith]

Are you sure? It's essentially a free kill as a failsafe, and the effect automatically makes the town less willing to lynch them. The Vengeful is not very useful to the town until the late stages of the game, since the scum can easily neutralize it by nightkilling him and the Vengeful kill is far more likely to hit town than scum from a probability standpoint (depending how early the Vengeful is lynched, of course).

I'm positive. It's like claiming Miller - that claim has to be resolved well before LYLO either by rope or Nightkill.

On the Town side - I disagree with you that Vengeful isn't that strong for Town.

Exhibit A - That 70s SmallTown Mafia.

I specifically chose the Vengekill to keep it out of scum's hands. Was lynched for the sort of paranoia being floated here and shot scum. Granted this is a Mini Theme but the principal still applies - well managed a Vengekill can be powerful for Town.

And yes, as scum it can get them a free kill if they are lynched. They can be vigged removing that threat.

At this point McMenno has established he'd better play Obv-Town times 5 or he's getting Vigged or lynched very early. Which is not a good scum strategy.

That's fair, I forgot we could Vig him if necessary.

[Wraith]

Though that said I don't like how he responded to the questioning of his pick at all.

[SirCakez]

hi I'm yakko has drafted Copper!

Errantparabola is up.