Micro 658 - Frozen [Game over]

[Dunnstral]

ok losers

Tell me your amazing ideas on how we're going to play this out

[Parama]

AGAIN, I ALREADY DID

[Dunnstral]

ELSA DECIDES WHO TO ELSA. THAT'S EASY.

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But does everyone else do

[Dunnstral]

*what does

[MagnaofIllusion]

WOULD SUGGEST EVERYONE PLAY THIS GAME LIKE THEY WERE SCUM. I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY CASES AND PEOPLE SHOULD KEEP THEIR READS CLOSE TO THEIR CHEST.

Speaking of bad posts …

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The ranking is purely about how likely or not they would be to give away Elsa's identity somehow, and it isn't supposed to say any more than that. The towniness of a player is an entirely different consideration, and I'll have a different ranking later on in the game that incorporates both factors.

Then the post was your subjective opinion that didn’t need posted. Just the process of Dunn bringing up his plan should put every non-VI in the game on alert about how to handle the situation. And I don’t see any Vis on the playerlist to my experience.

Why would it be?

Because any discontinuity between how a Town player is thinking and what they observe in others should be considered for the possibility it is scum trying to fake being Town. Doesn’t mean it has to be (playstyle, etc) signs of scum but should not be ignored. This is pretty basic Mafia gameplay stuff Postie.

I don't trust half this playerlist not to have godawful reads though.

Buddying up to Parama pretty hard I see …

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[Postie]

Then the post was your subjective opinion that didn’t need posted. Just the process of Dunn bringing up his plan should put every non-VI in the game on alert about how to handle the situation. And I don’t see any Vis on the playerlist to my experience.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

Because any discontinuity between how a Town player is thinking and what they observe in others should be considered for the possibility it is scum trying to fake being Town. Doesn’t mean it has to be (playstyle, etc) signs of scum but should not be ignored. This is pretty basic Mafia gameplay stuff Postie.

I guess. It just sounded like you considered me disagreeing with you scummy, which didn't make any sense.

Buddying up to Parama pretty hard I see …

In what way is any of what I said buddying? And how is buddying alignment indicative?

[Parama]

I REALLY HAVE NOTHING NEW TO COMMENT ON TBH.
MAGNA LOOKS PRETTY BAD I GUESS. THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH MY POST. I DON'T SEE POSTIE BUDDYING EITHER???

[SirCakez]

Tell me how.

RTFT

[Dunnstral]

Gonna have to spell out the whole words

[Dunnstral]

I like how everyone told me to stop pushing my plan

I stop

Immediately everyone else stops posting

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: ARISTO

REVENGE

Hahaha good luck my friend! XD
You do know I didn't do anything and coasted to victory that game, right?

OK guys I've drafted up a strategy

Elsa chooses one person to reveal to a night. That person should claim each day and eventually decide on a person to lynch. It's important that you don't go back on this decision once you've selected someone.

The rest of town decides if we lynch that person, or the person who knows Elsa.
If the person who knows elsa is chosen to live, and Elsa lives, they will be clear

So for today:

VOTE: No lynch

I agree that the one Elsa reveals to should claim their own role each day phase. We can then decide whether they are to be lynched or trusted.

@Fakegod
Can the Assassin's communicate with one another in private?

I almost want to NL in agreement with Dunn, which I did not intend to when I started writing this. I'll read on though before deciding.

[Aristophanes]

If the person who knows elsa is chosen to live, and Elsa lives, they will be clear

There are two assassins and

they win if Elsa dies

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But if we lynch one Assassin, they lose. We can do it!

@Fakegod
Does Elsa's reveal come at the beginning or at the end of the night phase?

[Aristophanes]

If at the end of the phase we can gamebreak(ish).

Elsa targets likely scum. The target (who knows who elsa is) claims that they were revealed to, and is then lynched.
If they are an assassin, we win. If they are town, the game continues with nobody else knowing who Elsa is.

"But if Elsa targets an Assassin, they just won't claim!" you say? Well then, given appropriate time and chances, Elsa will claim and we lynch the target who wouldn't claim.

Ideally any town will claim in their first post each day phase if they are the chosen one. This ensures Elsa won't out herself for no reason. If town do not do so it would be game throwing, should this be our final course of action.

[Aristophanes]

Why is this guy yelling?

The Bold never bothered me anyway.

[Aristophanes]

As for the caps rage thing you need to let that go

Let the caps rage on!

The Bold never bothered me anyway.

I wish I'd read further first. That would have been perfect!

[Aristophanes]

I'll stop for now, but this variation kn Dunn's plan should be followed. It solves many of the problems brought up, and confirms we are neither lynching Elsa nor taking someone out of the NK pool for scum as "not elsa."

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: NL

[FakeGod]

@Fakegod
Can the Assassin's communicate with one another in private?

This is unknown.

@Fakegod
Does Elsa's reveal come at the beginning or at the end of the night phase?

At the end of the night phase.

[Aristophanes]

Thanks FG!

So, we do my plan people, and we win!

[Dunnstral]

That plan sucks

[Dunnstral]

the problem is we have a good chance of lynching elsa when nobody knows who she is

[Parama]

WE HAVE A ONE-IN-NINE CHANCE OF LYNCHING ELSA

WHICH IS LOWER ODDS THAN SCUM SHOOTING ELSA N1 (ONE-IN-SEVEN)

ON THE OTHER HAND WE HAVE TWO-IN-NINE CHANCE OF LYNCHING SCUM D1, WHICH IS BETTER ODDS THAN ONE-IN-SEVEN

[Aristophanes]

That plan sucks

I don't think so. I think it's foolproof!

I thought you'd be here with me, Dunn. Why does it suck?

[Parama]

ON TOP OF THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE
1. IF WE COME CLOSE TO LYNCHING SOMEONE AND THEY CLAIM ELSA, WE DO NOT LYNCH THEM. THIS CHANGES OUR ODDS TO EITHER ONE-IN-EIGHT OR TWO-IN-EIGHT DEPENDING ON WHETHER THE PERSON CLAIMING IS THE REAL ELSA OR SCUM. THE REAL ELSA ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT CLAIM OTHERWISE, EVEN IF SCUM CLAIMS ELSA.
A: THEY ARE ELSA AND WE LYNCH ELSEWHERE, RAISING OUR ODDS OF SUCCESS. THIS IS A ONE-IN-THREE CHANCE GIVEN THIS SCENARIO.
B: THEY ARE SCUM AND WILL BE OUTTED IF THE REAL ELSA IS NOT KILLED THE FOLLOWING NIGHT, AS ELSA WILL BE ABLE TO OUT HER IDENTITY TO SOMEONE ELSE, AND THAT PERSON WILL KNOW THE CLAIMED ELSA IS FAKE AND THUS SCUM. TWO-IN-THREE CHANCE IN THIS SCENARIO.

2. IF WE COME CLOSE TO LYNCHING SOMEONE AND THEY CLAIM NOT-ELSA, WE CAN LYNCH THEM WITH NO CONSEQUENCE. ONE-IN-FOUR CHANCE THEY ARE SCUM.

ALL THE NUMBERS AND POTENTIAL OUTCOMES OF DAY 1 FAVOR LYNCHING TODAY.

[Aristophanes]

Fine, we lynch today. Then we follow my plan.