Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Leonshade]

I could make a case on shaddowez over Grey, but it's just that his posting is a whole bunch of white noise and he hasn't moved his vote since RVS despite claiming to have scumreads.

Grey's slot is null for me.

[Infinity 324]

Let's not get paranoid over each other because of which of our common scumreads we want to lynch first (yeah I know, more hypocrisy)

Who were you worried about getting paranoid?

wisdom

[Wisdom]

No, its not unreasonable
If i could see scumminess in shaddow then you could too

We could also have different opinions on something. You could feel stronger about something than I did.

Sure. The problem is you felt nothing at all, even when i asked you for a read on him.

[Nachomamma8]

Let's not get paranoid over each other because of which of our common scumreads we want to lynch first (yeah I know, more hypocrisy)

Who were you worried about getting paranoid?

wisdom

Yeah, I picked up on that one

[kraska77]

No, its not unreasonable
If i could see scumminess in shaddow then you could too

We could also have different opinions on something. You could feel stronger about something than I did.

Sure. The problem is you felt nothing at all, even when i asked you for a read on him.

i dont feel one way or the other about shadow either. i dont see how this is suspect

[Nachomamma8]

No, its not unreasonable
If i could see scumminess in shaddow then you could too

We could also have different opinions on something. You could feel stronger about something than I did.

Sure. The problem is you felt nothing at all, even when i asked you for a read on him.

Why is that a problem? Why is shadow undeniably scummy?

[Infinity 324]

to add to that sentiment, we can examine who did what after both greyice and shadow are flipped. But preflip it's kinda dumb

[Tammy]

Welp. I skimmed very quickly, so I might have missed some things.

First off I hate wisdoms bulba shot. I thought his paranoia of wisdom looked pretty real and the post before he was shot. That shot just doesn't make sense with what was coming before.

Also the shot does not make him town. I agree with kagami that stab is a difficult match up for an evil person such that Belarus as a fake claim doesn't make too much sense, but I'm not going straight to town.

Infinity - this is greyice's playstyle. He is not afraid to tunnel on anyone as scum (there could be specific individuals I guess, but I doubt very seriously that wisdom is one of them). For reference you could look at this summers large theme pyp to see him tunneling zmuffin for instance. Not sure what to make of his alignment right now though, but thinking he wouldn't tunnel someone will probably just get you in danger where he's concerned.

Roy makes sense as a lyncher to xykon. His bp makes sense and even the investigative makes sense as he's looking for a specific individual. But if he is in fact lyncher then that probably means we can't just call the main characters town even though Haley was town. RIP HALEY. I'll wear my Haley tshirt in your honor .

I'm not 100% sure that I buy it. I think kagami was right when she said shenanigans were afoot.

Gonna make this a little more complicated and sorry if I shouldn't be doing this, but I also have a vig shot. It's disabled right now, so I can't shoot until something happens to enable it. My first thought when wisdom stabbed was that Mafia were given a day kill or he's a day killing sk Because why would there be two vigs? But I don't know if the fact that I'm disabled and could quite possibly never shoot temper that a bit.

My battery is dying I'll try to remember whatever thoughts I had later.

[Nachomamma8]

to add to that sentiment, we can examine who did what after both greyice and shadow are flipped. But preflip it's kinda dumb

Talking about associations pre-flip is fine; more potential to put scum in awkward positions, more potential for people to look at big picture instead of trees. What is dumb is Wisdom getting after me for not reading Shadow as scum instantly.

[GreyICE]

Three vig shots now. One apparently on claimed scum.

Everyone want to tell me how Wisdom is still confirmed town for his?

[kraska77]

3 extra kills in the hands of town dont make sense
one of them has to be scum
pedit:yep

[SirCakez]

Who said he was confirmed town?

[SirCakez]

Wait there's a third vig claim?

[Nachomamma8]

blame bulba and his manilulative looking fake looking paranoia of me

(Or just blame me for not hosting a vote about who gets stabbed like i was planning)

I want a better answer about why you shot Bulba than this.

[Infinity 324]

to add to that sentiment, we can examine who did what after both greyice and shadow are flipped. But preflip it's kinda dumb

Talking about associations pre-flip is fine; more potential to put scum in awkward positions, more potential for people to look at big picture instead of trees.

Maybe, but it can also waste a lot of time when your reads are wrong

[Kagami]

Redcloak is likely a scum doc and Xykon and hello kitty could easily have kill resistance. I'm not lynching on the basis of vig-spec.

[Nachomamma8]

Kagami, I also don't think you answered why you thought that Wisdom shooting Bulba would derail Leon momentum.

[Nachomamma8]

Who is Hello Kitty?

[kraska77]

tammy's restricted-vig claim is the most town of the three
one of wisdom and leon is scum and its leon

[Kagami]

could be the necrophiliac chick instead of hello kitty, I suppose.

[Nachomamma8]

Redcloak is likely a scum doc and Xykon and hello kitty could easily have kill resistance. I'm not lynching on the basis of vig-spec.

I'm not lynching on it but I'm far less inclined to leave people alive for killing powers now.

[Nachomamma8]

tammy's restricted-vig claim is the most town of the three
one of wisdom and leon is scum and its leon

Tammy is also the towniest of the three.

[Kagami]

Kagami, I also don't think you answered why you thought that Wisdom shooting Bulba would derail Leon momentum.

Resetting the vote alone is sufficient, but it also gives him the chance to claim at L-X instead of L-1, which is pretty relevant. Even claim-stalling is reasonably often enough to stop a wagon.

[Kagami]

In any case, I highly doubt both wis and leon are scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Maybe, but it can also waste a lot of time when your reads are wrong

Being town always carries with it the gigantic potential of wasting your time, it just comes with the territory.