Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[shaddowez]

Lying coward. Won't even vote Shadow when he's your "second scumread". Leon and shadow. Me and shadow. Where does your vote always end up? FOS Scum, Vote town. Or in Leon's case not-mafia scum, which to mafia is the same thing.

Wisdom's voted me multiple times now...

[Leonshade]

@Mod: I will be on V/LA from Friday to Sunday, that's the 18th to the 20th.

[Leonshade]

shaddow opposes Grey's plan because I get to take a shot, but I'll do that in every plan so he should be advocating my lynch.

[GreyICE]

It absolutely is.

What is it, Wisdom, scared?

[Wisdom]

done talking with you

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.11

- as of post 1029

GreyICE (4) - Infinity 324, Wisdom, farside22, shaddowez
shaddowez (3) - Leonshade, Kagami, GreyICE
Leonshade (1) - kraska77

Not Voting (4) -PeregrineV, Tammy, Nachomamma8, SirCakez

The Current deadline is November 28 at 9am EST in (expired on 2016-11-28 09:00:00)

With 12 alive - 7 are required to lynch.

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Leonshade will be V/LA Nov 18th to Nov 20th

[shaddowez]

I opppose Grey's plan because it leaves your shot to one single person. I'm fine with Wisdom's plan where there's a group choice for who you shoot.

If you're actually a third party, SK or not, you can hurt us if you manage to hit a PR, but can absolutely help if you hit scum. I'm willing to take the chance to let you live for one night and see how it plays out

[Kagami]

With grey's plan, you dictate the shot if we lynch you and you're town, though.

If we lynch grey, then if grey is scum, leon will ignore his target and will default to the group choice.

Seems like a win-win for you.

[Leonshade]

That's not what you said.

I'll start by apologizing and saying I suck.

I've tried keeping up, so some of this is off the top of my head. I agree with Wisdom's choice of the kill, although the results aren't what I would have hoped for. I was scum reading Bulba, and was going to make a case next time I was on, which is now irrelevant.

I'm not sure I buy Leon's role, at least not as a "town-aligned" 3p. I find it much more likely he's an SK with a fakeclaim that makes it sound less individual win.

Regardless, I disagree with Wisdom's plan (and no, not just because either scenario has me dead - if my death gives info to town, so be it), but because I think it gives way too much power to one person - leon. Ultimately he gets to choose whether or not he's going to listen to the lynchee, and even if it means his death he could severely hurt town with a PR shot.

As for the multiple claims, I agree that Tammy is the towniest of the claims, but that lines up with my reads in general.

Regarding my vote, I thought I took it off RVS but was waiting for a VC before I voted. Grey hasn't done anything to improve my read of Wraith's slot, so since there was a recent VC I'm confident doing this.

VOTE: GreyICE

"It gives way too much power to one person - leon."

That is the case even if we go with the town consensus instead of a single person.

[PeregrineV]

Belkar flavor is town. GI is neither belkar nor Mr. Scruffy. It's apparently some coincidence that wraith did the scruffy stuff pre-game.

He or his fakeclaim could be Shojo

why wouldn't his fakeclaim just be Xykon.

you know, if it were fake.

[PeregrineV]

Wait there's a third vig claim?

I missed it too, apparently.

[PeregrineV]

tammy's restricted-vig claim is the most town of the three
one of wisdom and leon is scum and its leon

But what if it's two? Scum. Third party hunting scum. Town. Certain amount of symmetry there that's not unattractive.

Anyway. Where is this shadow we speak of?

According to Leon, when Xykon is dead, he leaves, which hurts our numbers in terms of lylo. I could see that as a balance.

Optimally, Xykon is killed last to end the game.

[Leonshade]

Wait there's a third vig claim?

I missed it too, apparently.

Tammy claimed in her latest post.

[Leonshade]

I find it interesting you didn't notice.

[PeregrineV]

you do realise that him being 3p means there is a possibility the entire scum team is wiped out over the course of day/night 1?

no i meant scum are exposed to 3 possible kills

what if i told you that leon is not the only bulletproof person in the game rn ^_^
restricted b.f. mind you...but still
no way scum are pitted against this much power

[PeregrineV]

Lyncher on scum is essentially town unless anyone here wants to claim town-aligned Xykon.

Xykon was really just misunderstood. He's just a very elaborate prankster.

prankster gangster

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, what happened to spam-happy fun-time Peregrine?

Upcoming server migration. I got real work to do instead of semi-fun work.

[PeregrineV]

Finally read SirCakez's ISO, didn't seem scummy to me. I mostly agree with his reads, except for the Wisdom scumread (and we have Bulbazak's corpse to prove that town can SR Wisdom).

Here's the five slots I'm almost certain are town:

Wisdom
Infinity
Kagami
Tammy
kraska

I think these five players should have the most say in who I should vig (though they are free to add others to their townblock).

If you die first, and Xykon dies, do you still "win"?

[PeregrineV]

Wait there's a third vig claim?

I missed it too, apparently.

Tammy claimed in her latest post.

I skimmed it....limited vig of some sort, from what I gather.

[PeregrineV]

I find it interesting you didn't notice.

Paragraph 7 of 8.

Gonna make this a little more complicated and sorry if I shouldn't be doing this, but I also have a vig shot. It's disabled right now, so I can't shoot until something happens to enable it. My first thought when wisdom stabbed was that Mafia were given a day kill or he's a day killing sk Because why would there be two vigs? But I don't know if the fact that I'm disabled and could quite possibly never shoot temper that a bit.

I did catch her battery was dying and she didn;t like the bubla vig shot.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Shaddowez

[Leonshade]

Finally read SirCakez's ISO, didn't seem scummy to me. I mostly agree with his reads, except for the Wisdom scumread (and we have Bulbazak's corpse to prove that town can SR Wisdom).

Here's the five slots I'm almost certain are town:

Wisdom
Infinity
Kagami
Tammy
kraska

I think these five players should have the most say in who I should vig (though they are free to add others to their townblock).

If you die first, and Xykon dies, do you still "win"?

I would assume not? That's not how lynchers usually work.

The PM says that I will win when Xykon has been killed by any means

and will then depart the game

, so my departure seems to be part of the win condition. I suppose it doesn't outright say I need to be alive.

[Leonshade]

I find it interesting you didn't notice.

Paragraph 7 of 8.

Gonna make this a little more complicated and sorry if I shouldn't be doing this, but I also have a vig shot. It's disabled right now, so I can't shoot until something happens to enable it. My first thought when wisdom stabbed was that Mafia were given a day kill or he's a day killing sk Because why would there be two vigs? But I don't know if the fact that I'm disabled and could quite possibly never shoot temper that a bit.

I did catch her battery was dying and she didn;t like the bubla vig shot.

It was easy to miss if you're just skimming, but the claim is very clear if you actually read her post. You not reading it is what I found interesting.

[shaddowez]

Kagami

- Technically it could be, but my understanding was that it was the lynchee's choice if town or leon's choice if scum. Which leads to this:
a) I don't like the idea of

any

one person having that choice, including myself
and
b) since I don't trust leon, the thought of him making the shot if the lynchee is scum bothers me.

I'd rather have a group decision regardless. It's basically another lynch, and since there's still a majority, even though scum will have a say it may not be enough to divert the shot away from a scum member.

[Kagami]

leon never gets a choice.