Newbie 1757 - Game Over

[XnadrojX]

Sorry, I'm a VT

[XnadrojX]

eh I played quite badly in this game.

I'll see Fruitsman in the dead PT in 2 weeks

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: XnadrojX

I hope you're scum.

No no no Key. I am not having good vibe about this. Forget about XnadrojX, why are we rushing day 1 when we have so much time. We yet to hear a lot from other people.

Stop this wagon please. this game is so sad!!!

[XnadrojX]

Already hammered. I'm dying on a rope rn. Huntress gonna come in any moment, announce I'm VT, and night will fall.

Good Luck town

[Accountant]

I dont think Xnadroj is scum. we are doing a mistake. Please stop this wagon, we have time why are we rushing?

And Accountant, I am surprised that you're encouraging day 1 one end so early when we have so time to figure things out.

Key - whats your thoughts on this?

It is my belief that town should end the day when we've collectively decided on a good lynch. No sooner, no later.

[Accountant]

If you're VT XX, I'm sorry. However, I still don't think your lynch was that bad(I mean, it's bad, but D1 lynches are almost always townies anyway and there's a lot of hidden upsides to it as well). By getting lynched now, you'll provide lots of info to the town. Also, you were an easy mislynch target for mafia to push in LyLo. Now there's less of a threat of that happening.

[keyenpeydee]

VOTE: XnadrojX

I hope you're scum.

No no no Key. I am not having good vibe about this. Forget about XnadrojX, why are we rushing day 1 when we have so much time. We yet to hear a lot from other people.

Stop this wagon please. this game is so sad!!!

I'm sorry but XX is about to be lynched. I gave my reasons and you're not giving yours why he's not scum. You aren't even being helpful because your posts are pretty much your reads but you haven't even explain it. And I agree with Accountant that we can afford a mislynch D1. XX lynch isn't bad because we gave reasons and not just throwing your votes. And if that continues, People will just be yes and no until they reach the deadline.

[keyenpeydee]

I mean if people don't decide to lynch XX, People will just be yes and no until they reach the deadline.

[Accountant]

The crux of it is that I think XX is going to be lynched regardless, I think he *should* be lynched regardless, and I don't think that we can obtain significant information in the extra time we gain by delaying the lynch. In fact, I think it makes it easier to derail the wagon, create fatigue and apathy in town through a long day that leads to the same thing anyway, and allows scum to muddy the associative waters to make it harder to draw conclusions off XX's flip.

[shannon]

@Accountant you've misread me (or maybe I miswrote?); I think NN30 is scum and XnadrojX is town. The only reason I could see XnadrojX as scum is if NN was bussing him, and it's gone way, way past the point where that's plausible. I want NN30 to go tomorrow.

@Keypendee my money's on NN sheeping me on to Fruits for town cred because he knows I'm not lynchable and he thought maybe I was going to lead a wagon on Fruits.

@XnadrojX Everyone isn't set on your lynch, I didn't want it and I think I might have been able to move keyen too. Never give in - or appear to be giving in - to your lynch unless it's tactical on your part and you think you can get out of it. I have had success as VT in saying things like 'OK, imagine you've lynched me, I'm gonna flip town so spend the rest of the day looking at who you'd end up looking at tomorrow anyway'. This has saved me at least once and we moved on to a good lynch. Remember, you know you're town, keep pushing everyone else to see it too even if you've dug yourself a hole through stupidity/poor play/mistakes.

@shannon: You say that you don't see anything scummy about XX, and so nn must be bussing him. How do you know it's not town!nn seeing something you don't, or interpreting XX's posts in a different way?

Accountant - You should take it easy on him for a bit and focus on others and as IC you have job and help the group to scum hunt from a different perspective. Your inability to focus on Nadroj seems suspicious to me.

This is untrue. I have spoken before about fruitsman and Wyvernite, and engaged with keyenpeydee. Furthermore, me focusing on XX makes perfect sense. I don't have any obligation to play devil's advocate with myself because I'm an IC; rather, it would be counterproductive as nobody does that and intentionally indulges in a different perapective or lets up on a scummy player just for kicks. Instead, I'm going to lead by example and show you how to scumhunt by focusing on who I find scummy, questioning them and getting them lynched.

I mean, for those that need to be reminded that nadro is scum, read his ISO. All he's done proactively is attack the only other scumread player in the game at the time (nn30). He's pretty much devoted all of his efforts to defending himself, voting his main attacker and focusing on nothing else since. The guy's the scummiest in the game, lynch plz.

Your vote is on XX, Fruitsman. You should want the conversation to go there too...

VOTE: Fruitsman

I don't get you here. Is this serious?

I think it's entirely plausible that XX just wanted to ask more questions before voting, and I don't think that's AI.

Well said. That's why I don't have a strong scum read on XX.

i'm at L-1 and ending 5 days before deadline isn't that early. We're at the point where everyone is set on my lynch and further discussion would just be something like:

Person A: He's scum
Person B: No
Person C: Yes
Person D: No
etc.
etc.

My lynch right now is inevitable. The best I can do right now is to make say as much as I know as after I flip VT people will know everything I have said day 1 is from a Town perspective, hopefully driving them to get the scum

[keyenpeydee]

@shannon, What do you mean by "I didn't want it and I think I might have been able to move keyen too."

[Accountant]

@Accountant you've misread me (or maybe I miswrote?); I think NN30 is scum and XnadrojX is town. The only reason I could see XnadrojX as scum is if NN was bussing him, and it's gone way, way past the point where that's plausible. I want NN30 to go tomorrow.

Why is nn30 scum? Summarize your case against him?

[Accountant]

Note that XX is already hammered. Nothing can stop him dying now.

[XnadrojX]

I haven't given up. I have not given up until the point where keyne hammered me. Enough were suspecting me. Best I could do was try to help Town in my last words

[Accountant]

If you're town, that's a good attitude to have. You never know - maybe your last words will help us catch scum and you'll get your revenge from the grave.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.7

XnadrojX (5) - Accountant, fruitsman, Vijarada, nn30, keyenpeydee [LYNCH]

Accountant (1) - XnadrojX
nn30 (1) - shannon

Not voting (2) - ArcAngel9, Wyvernite


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Sunday, 27th November 5pm GMT, (in (expired on 2016-11-27 17:00:00)).

[Huntress]

XnadrojX (Vanilla Townie) has been lynched.

It is now Night One.

Deadline for Night One is Sunday, 20th November 1pm GMT, (in (expired on 2016-11-20 13:00:00)).

[Huntress]

shannon (Vanilla Townie) died Night One.

It is now Day Two.


With seven players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Sunday, 4th December 1pm GMT, (in (expired on 2016-12-04 13:00:00)).

[ArcAngel9]

Accountant - You better have a valid explanation on why you didn't choose to look other cases and only focused on Xnadrojx?

[keyenpeydee]

I really felt bad lynching XX but he sure do acted scummy.

[Accountant]

Accountant - You better have a valid explanation on why you didn't choose to look other cases and only focused on Xnadrojx?

XnadrojX was the scummiest. It's not like I didn't look at other cases, I just focused on the scummiest one most. Now, why were you so certain XX was town?

[keyenpeydee]

Accountant - You better have a valid explanation on why you didn't choose to look other cases and only focused on Xnadrojx?

XnadrojX was the scummiest. It's not like I didn't look at other cases, I just focused on the scummiest one most. Now, why were you so certain XX was town?

^^ This

[nn30]

It's very surprising to me that we've gotten off the XX train. What has he done to remove suspicion? Nothing. The conversation just moved past him.

Don't let him get away with that.

You'd like us to get back onto that, while also keeping the attention off yourself!

(Am I doing this right?)

Quite Opportunistic for you to throw shade on someone who is just as incriminating, you over-analytical scum!

Your vote is on XX, Fruitsman. You should want the conversation to go there too...

VOTE: Fruitsman

Can we talk about this?

Fruitsman had his vote on XX at the time that he called me opportunistic for wanting the conversation to go there.

In sumary:

1) Fruitsman voted for XX
2) Fruitsman believed in 'the consensus' surrounding XX.
3) Fruitsman argued against someone (me) who argued that we should be lynching XX

while still voting for XX

He threw shade on me for doing something that he should presumably be agreeing with.

VOTE: fruitsman

This should be today's lynch.


Those of you who believe I should be today's lynch - consider this:

nn30 <----- Null leaning scum, not scumteam with Fruitsman

If you believe XX's train of logic (that I'm not scum with Fruits) - we should lynch Fruits instead of me. Reason being, if Fruits flips scum we get a town-pseudo clear (me).

Lynching in the other order (me then Fruits) comes with no comparable upside.

[fruitsman]

Yes, let's talk.
NN you stated that you were going to go after me in post 235. This was BEFORE XX's final vote.

NN you did not list a reason as to why you voted for XX. Then proceeding to not address the accusation of being opportunistic, and using my vote for XX to try and point out that me as scum.

I believed that XX was scum. I was wrong. We were wrong.

But, NN basically accepted that XX's lynch was inevitable and unavoidable by just adding to the vote instead of listing doubts. You too, then must have agreed with me and others that XX was scummy.

Now he is stating that it isn't a downside to lynch a town. For what? A "

psuedo

" clear to his name.

Accountant <------- Slight Scum

XX also claimed that Accountant was scummy. Is Accountant next once you find out I'm town after a failed lynch?

Also,
1. You have said so yourself that it is scummy to summarize what is going on, instead of analytically moving forward. <- Ironic
2. You have been quick to cast shade on others and have even admitted to scummy behavior, and you ALSO voted for XX.
3. And because I have said that I did not want attention to fall off you, you are now throwing me into the ring for being lynched.

You have been making claims and assertively attempting to lay down a foundation of credibility throughout your posts, while deflecting calls of being scum by simply reposting what you put and trying to claim that it's okay. You have done ALOT of back-tracking.
I want more thoughts on this.

[nn30]

My response to Fruits. Spoiler tags so that I don't take up much space.

Spoiler:

Yes, let's talk.
NN you stated that you were going to go after me in post 235. This was BEFORE XX's final vote.

I don't see how this is relevant.

Spoiler:

NN you did not list a reason as to why you voted for XX.

Actually I did: 47

Spoiler:

Then proceeding to not address the accusation of being opportunistic, and using my vote for XX to try and point out that me as scum.

I didn't see a reason to react to you calling it opportunistic. I did, however, see a reason to ask why you were disagreeing with me pushing the very person you were voting for.

Spoiler:

I believed that XX was scum. I was wrong. We were wrong.

You're right -

we

were wrong. We know that today. Yesterday you called me scummy for pushing the very person you were voting. I don't see how your point defends yourself from this.

Spoiler:

But, NN basically accepted that XX's lynch was inevitable and unavoidable by just adding to the vote instead of listing doubts. You too, then must have agreed with me and others that XX was scummy.

Yep.

Spoiler:

Now he is stating that it isn't a downside to lynch a town.

Of course it's a downside to lynch town. However, my argument is

entirely based on the pre-supposition that you're scum

. If we lynch you, and you flip town, that's very bad. I just don't think you'll be flipping town...

Spoiler:

Now he is stating that it isn't a downside to lynch a town.
...For what? A "

psuedo

" clear to his name.

If you flip town I get no pseudo-clear. Your statement here indicates you misunderstand my argument. Only if you flip scum do I get a pseudo clear.

Spoiler:

Accountant <------- Slight Scum

XX also claimed that Accountant was scummy. Is Accountant next once you find out I'm town after a failed lynch?

I said no such thing. The scope of my statement only discusses what XX had to say about the relationship between myself and you.

Spoiler:

Also,
1. You have said so yourself that it is scummy to summarize what is going on, instead of analytically moving forward. <- Ironic

I summarized your behavior in order to build a case on you. Your summary from eariler in the game was 'this happened and then this happened and then this happened. I still don't have any idea who is scum or town. The end.'

Spoiler:

2. You have been quick to cast shade on others and have even admitted to scummy behavior, and you ALSO voted for XX.

Who have a cast shade on other than you and XX?
Yes, I voted for XX, as did a number of town members. This game includes only two scum - five people voted to lynch XX. That means that

at minimum

three townies also voted to lynch XX.

The fact that you and I voted for XX is not the point here. The point here is that you were voting for XX at the same time that you scum-read me for pushing an XX lynch. Your vote, and your behavior, do not match.

Spoiler:

3. And because I have said that I did not want attention to fall off you, you are now throwing me into the ring for being lynched.

You are misunderstanding the chronology if this series of events.

Spoiler:

You have been making claims and assertively attempting to lay down a foundation of credibility throughout your posts, while deflecting calls of being scum by simply reposting what you put and trying to claim that it's okay. You have done ALOT of back-tracking.
I want more thoughts on this.

Please be more specific.