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What is this btw?In post 2063, Papa Zito wrote:
broIn post 2059, SpyreX wrote:I really want someone to call him out but deep inside i know it won't Halen page 150 hoo
What is the spyrex post anyway?
Also, I think someone mentioned somewhere that scum wouldn't be prioritizing dayvig or something?
I think a 1 for 1 trade (where they take out a key town player) is pretty valuable for scum to have if they are getting nuked or almost getting lynched, no?vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Ser Arthur Dayne Jack of All Trades
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NoIn post 2073, Cephrir wrote:That role just might make him town, since it seems likely scum would choose to play around it rather than waste a spot on it themselves.
He didn't waste a spot on it.
He put it second.
He was contesting cop first.
I don't see why scum wouldn't put a role that isn't THAT great for them but they might still have a shot at it second.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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In post 1978, Cephrir wrote:can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerfulCode: Select all
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Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:What do you say to the idea that scum prioritized Eavesdropper because they knew town would think they wouldn't and so get one of their buddies a free dodge from a lynch.
Is the poisoned wine in front of me, or you...
But anyway regardless, Vax was likely to be one of the people to be run up Day1 from pregame discussion. Still doesn't change the fact scum can prioritize Eavesdropper (esp considering there's 5 of them). Didn't even LLD say she went for Eavesdropper as scum last DEFCON game?
And that's fine, but, as you recognize, now we're at WIFOM arguments. Are the scum more concerned with choosing troops to play WIFOM games or are the more concerned with utility (a la Submarine, Espionage, Counterintelligence, Fighter, etc)Spiff wrote:My answer to "why would scum go for X role":
"To seem town"
I can't speak to LLD or LLD's motivations from 3.0.
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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In post 2077, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
NoIn post 2073, Cephrir wrote:That role just might make him town, since it seems likely scum would choose to play around it rather than waste a spot on it themselves.
He didn't waste a spot on it.
He put it second.
He was contesting cop first.
I don't see why scum wouldn't put a role that isn't THAT great for them but they might still have a shot at it second.
both good pointsIn post 2078, GuyInFreezer wrote:In post 1978, Cephrir wrote:can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerfulCode: Select all
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If I understood correctly the whole thing about LLD wanting that role was because of the cryptography.Show"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
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I would think so but I'm not getting into this WIFOM gameIn post 2082, RedCoyote wrote:SAD/Spiff, is Missle Silo more valuable to scum than Eavesdrop?-
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Oh also we can only guess who as scum would value which troops over others so this discussion is pointless.Show"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
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Of course it's plausible. For that though, you have to accept that Eavesdrop was a valid troop pick that the scum team was actively trying to get. With their limited numbers (compared to the town). With the knowledge that they couldn't screw with whichever town player would get it. With the knowledge that they're effectively giving up a Missle Silo.In post 2083, Spiffeh wrote:It's perfectly plausible that Vax is scum with that role and his buddies are making nonsense posts so his claim separates him from being scum-
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If I was scum (and even as a townie) I prioritize dayvig very highly. The reasons are different obv, but having the ability to kill someone you have a strong suspicion on, or just cutting some of the townies from the game as scum via daykills, is pretty huge.In post 2082, RedCoyote wrote:SAD/Spiff, is Missle Silo more valuable to scum than Eavesdrop?
I barely looked at Defcon 4, but from what I did see Regfan (who was scum) dayvigged magua (town), then put in something like "oops, at least I took out a troll ". I obv don't know the circumstances, but cutting the townie list always seems like a good idea for scum.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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In post 2086, RedCoyote wrote:For that though, you have to accept that Eavesdrop was a valid troop pick that the scum team was actively trying to get.In post 2077, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
NoIn post 2073, Cephrir wrote:That role just might make him town, since it seems likely scum would choose to play around it rather than waste a spot on it themselves.
He didn't waste a spot on it.
He put it second.
He was contesting cop first.
I don't see why scum wouldn't put a role that isn't THAT great for them but they might still have a shot at it second.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Espionage isn't that great for scum utility either though.Show"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
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I've only been able to phone follow but am I really seeing arguments that "Vax must be Town since he has Eavesdrop"?
Really?
Has LLD chimed in to call bullshit on that yet?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.-
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Like honestly,
I am treating any roleclaim null.
Town can go for scummy roles to keep it away from scum.
Scum can go for townie roles to keep it away from town.
Scum can go for scummy roles.
Town can go for townie roles.
Scum can go for WIFOM roles.
Town can go for roles they think might be fun.
Etc etc.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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I mean I was townreading him even before all this shenanigans.In post 2090, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I've only been able to phone follow but am I really seeing arguments that "Vax must be Town since he has Eavesdrop"?
Really?
Has LLD chimed in to call bullshit on that yet?Show"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
~fferyllt
"who the fuck fakeclaims Tracker like that
WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
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Exactly,In post 2090, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I've only been able to phone follow but am I really seeing arguments that "Vax must be Town since he has Eavesdrop"?
Really?
Has LLD chimed in to call bullshit on that yet?
LLD went for Eavesdrop as scum in DEFCON 4...
So how is it unlikely for scum to go for it now?vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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I mean if Vax is town scum won't leave him alive for too long.Show"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
~fferyllt
"who the fuck fakeclaims Tracker like that
WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
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Lady Lambdadelta She/FaerRise of the PhoenixShe/Faer
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In post 237, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:In post 231, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Then why are you wanting the Eavesdrop and not Righteous Nuclear Power?In post 229, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Nah, dude. I just want to redeem myself from last time.If you'll recall, I had a nuke last time.
If I could find someone who I thought was town but didn't trust with a nuke I'd shove it onto them and take a nuke.
But I don't have that yet, so.In post 247, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:In post 243, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
No I don't recall. I thought you took Eavesdrop.In post 237, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:If you'll recall, I had a nuke last time.
Grumble grumble making me look way back to find that info ...Nope, I had a nuke and someone else has eavesdrop and they fed me the codes and I pretended to solve them.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Will too.In post 2095, GuyInFreezer wrote:I mean if Vax is town scum won't leave him alive for too long."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Umm...In post 2095, GuyInFreezer wrote:I mean if Vax is town scum won't leave him alive for too long.
Like if you're suggesting they're gonna nightkill him anytime soon then umm...
I have some bad news for you.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Now don't get me wrong his role bids are not alignment indicative, but please stop saying untrue things?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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