Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Infinity 324]

I don't see what's setting people off about shadow and wraith
Especially shadow he barely put out Any content to read him off of
Leon on the other hand is kind of obvious scum
pedit: that post feels pretty disingenious

@kraska Hadn't shadow posted as much content as leon at this point?

[Infinity 324]

Fuck it, 2 town vig-type roles and an SK aren't in this game

VOTE: wisdom

[Infinity 324]

Counterwagons to shadow:

Wraith (5) - Nachomamma8, farside22, Infinity 324, Kagami, Wisdom

Leonshade (5) - Kagami, Nachomamma8, Wisdom, SirCakez, farside22

Nacho wisdom and kagami were on both. Don't like how only after leon's claim nacho goes to calling wraith slot town and wanting to lynch shadow, and wisdom's interactions with shadow make him look town, so eh. Have to check kagami interaction with shadow but this looks good for kraska. Kraska/shadow interactions come out to null I think

MOD - Fixed borked quote ...

[Wisdom]

@wisdom Why were you so concerned about my voting leon over shadow here if you wanted them both dead?

Because it felt like you were leon's buddy and you wanted to wagon shaddow in order to save leon

[Wisdom]

Fuck it, 2 town vig-type roles and an SK aren't in this game

VOTE: wisdom

True, an SK isnt. Leon is lyncher on town.

[Infinity 324]

@wisdom Why were you so concerned about my voting leon over shadow here if you wanted them both dead?

Because it felt like you were leon's buddy and you wanted to wagon shaddow in order to save leon

Why? Why was it suspicious to you that I wanted people to vote my scumread over my nullread? Why was it suspicious that I was concerned when people voted the person with only 5 posts over someone they also scumread with more posts?

Fuck it, 2 town vig-type roles and an SK aren't in this game

VOTE: wisdom

True, an SK isnt. Leon is lyncher on town.

You're not concerned about the number of killing role claims?

What if tammy is scum who tried to cast doubt on you

[Wisdom]

Why? Why was it suspicious to you that I wanted people to vote my scumread over my nullread? Why was it suspicious that I was concerned when people voted the person with only 5 posts over someone they also scumread with more posts?

Because number of posts is irrelevant; they were both equally scummy in my eyes and i had you trying to stop a push on one of them to get a push on the other.

[Wisdom]

You're not concerned about the number of killing role claims?

What if tammy is scum who tried to cast doubt on you

Not really? I was oneshot, Leon was oneshot, tammy's is disabled

Given Leon's reaction to my push its practically confirmed he was lying about having scum as a target so theres your balance

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: kagami

I think this is best actually. Coasting off townreads is bad, interactions with shadow are meh, and there's the counterwagoning. Plus the part where he (she?) and kraska scumread each other and never voted each other. I've decided that's likely SvT, so kraska can be town based off that.

Nacho by interactions and play is scummy but wisdom by setup spec is scummy and I think one is scum because their back-and-forth feels too distant to be TvT.

Who thinks scum is outside {nacho, kraska, kagami, wisdom}?

[Wisdom]

Tammy has made me a little worried though. I was expecting her to share my opinion about Nacho and not make a big deal out of my stabbing

[Infinity 324]

Why? Why was it suspicious to you that I wanted people to vote my scumread over my nullread? Why was it suspicious that I was concerned when people voted the person with only 5 posts over someone they also scumread with more posts?

Because number of posts is irrelevant; they were both equally scummy in my eyes and i had you trying to stop a push on one of them to get a push on the other.

Number of posts is very relevant. More content means more to analyze and a more accurate judgement. If you disagree, ok, but why was I scummy for that?

You're not concerned about the number of killing role claims?

What if tammy is scum who tried to cast doubt on you

Not really? I was oneshot, Leon was oneshot, tammy's is disabled

Given Leon's reaction to my push its practically confirmed he was lying about having scum as a target so theres your balance

Ok, I buy it.

[Wisdom]

. Plus the part where he (she?) and kraska scumread each other and never voted each other.

I looked into that yesterday but forgot to ask you; where did kagami scumread kraska in 8-10?

[Wisdom]

Who thinks scum is outside {nacho, kraska, kagami, wisdom}?

I dont think kraska or kagami is scum

[Infinity 324]

Infinity can u actually make up ur mind on me? If ure going to call me scum and then boohoo anything people bring up against me, then I don't get what ure doing

I don't want to make up my mind prematurely. By attacking other people's reasons, it helps us figure out whether you're worth voting, I think.

What's your issue with that?

@nacho: Is it true that you almost always townread wisdom when he's town? How much confidence do you have in reading wisdom? Are there specific differences between this and other towngames of wisdom's? (Other than being less aggressive)

@kagami: What's your read on kraska

I don't see what's setting people off about shadow and wraith
Especially shadow he barely put out Any content to read him off of
Leon on the other hand is kind of obvious scum
pedit: that post feels pretty disingenious

@kraska Hadn't shadow posted as much content as leon at this point?

Questions I asked on the past few pages

[Infinity 324]

I have kraska as #3. Let me double check.

Bleh I read this out of context

Back to this but still have concerns about kagami.

VOTE: nacho

Ok wisdom who do you think is scum other than nacho

[Wisdom]

If you disagree, ok, but why was I scummy for that?

Because you were actively trying to downplay the leon wagon with posts like "he only has 3 posts" and "im not a fan of voting for lurkers" and stuff while trying to get people on shaddow. To someone with scumreads on both, how do you imagine this looks?

[Infinity 324]

If you disagree, ok, but why was I scummy for that?

Because you were actively trying to downplay the leon wagon with posts like "he only has 3 posts" and "im not a fan of voting for lurkers" and stuff while trying to get people on shaddow. To someone with scumreads on both, how do you imagine this looks?

Honestly in your position I'd be fine with it but I also get how you wouldn't be so w/e

[Wisdom]

Ok wisdom who do you think is scum other than nacho

Im not sure
Maybe Peregrine
I can never be confident in reading Cakez though i really want to think hes town here
And then theres Tammy whose last posts feel off key

[Infinity 324]

I'm confident all 3 are town

Are you sure this is out of range for farside's scum play?

[Wisdom]

you, farside and Kagami are confident townreads, and kraska joined this group as of latest posts

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 2.4

- as of post 1294

Nachomamma8 (4) - SirCakez, farside22, Wisdom, Infinity 324
kraska77 (1) - Leonshade
SirCakez (1) - kraska77

Not Voting (4) - PeregrineV, Tammy, Nachomamma8, Kagami

The Current deadline is December 4th at 12pm EST in (expired on 2016-12-04 12:00:00)

With 10 alive - 6 are required to lynch.

Activity Check

- kraska77 has been prodded.

A general note on activity

- With the Thanksgiving holiday weekend upcoming my own activity will be reduced from Thursday to
Sunday and I would not expect more from you. Prodding will be suspended after Wednesday night and not resume until the next
Monday morning.

V/LA List

-
PeregrineV will be V/LA Nov 21st to Nov 28th
farside22 will be V/LA until Nov 26th.

[farside22]

Not sure this is needed with the holidays

limited access/ vacation until Saturday

[Leonshade]

That's a weak reason to outright dismiss the possibility.

This is basically a confession he's lying about his wincon

I was talking about the possibility of another 3P, not about my wincon.

Tammy and Infinity remain as strong townreads.

Nacho being on both the shaddow counterwagons reminds me of 609, where he agreed with Wisdom on the reads but arbitrarily voted me instead of joining the shaddow wagon. I also love 839, where he tests the waters for lynching shaddow that day after it was obvious that Grey and shaddow were going to die, while still waffling enough on the read that he could back off if need be. And then he never voted shaddow. Reads like Nacho was setting up a bus.

VOTE: Nacho

[Leonshade]

That's L-1.

[Wisdom]

Leon's obviously doing this because he wants flavor claims, but even so I agree with everything he said