Newbie 1757 - Game Over

[Huntress]

Vote Count 2.3

fruitsman (2) - nn30, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty
ScumDeersAreVeryTasty (2) - Vijarada, Accountant
Accountant (1) - ArcAngel9

Not voting (2) - fruitsman, keyenpeydee


With seven players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Sunday, 4th December 1pm GMT, (in (expired on 2016-12-04 13:00:00)).

[keyenpeydee]

Keyen's "hope you're scum" Tf? There was still 3 days for day to end and he votes saying "hope" WOW.

I was hoping that XX would flip scum. Why did I say that? It's because he acted scummy enough to make me "HOPE" that he'll flip scum.

[keyenpeydee]

Key - Are you town or are you scum wiht Accountant? I am bit surprised that you encouraged Xnandaraj wagon yesterday. He was looking town all through the game, why you ?

I'm town and if I'm scum with Accountant, I wouldn't pretty much say I'm strong town reading Accountant. Oh yes, For you XX was town. We gave reasons that makes him scum. We're wrong, yes. But I only judged on how he plays. Plus, D1 - we can't afford to lynch scum already unless we're lucky enough. We can still afford mislynch.

[ScumDeersAreVeryTasty]

VOTE: ScumDeer

No stain on you, Deer. You just had the misfortune of replacing into a scum slot.

PEdit: I think keyen, nn and Vijarada are all town, which means that there must mathematically be at least one scum in you and fruits.

First of all, I havent got my reasons yet.

Second , If those 3 are really all town, You're a scum. Keyen have no posts good enough to town lean on him. NN pretty much seems town and Vijarada is yet to be trusted. Without any posts from both those, You said they are town and that is absurd.

Accountant attempted to put two people inside radar just at the start of the game. When NN was cracking up, s/he still stayed at his random vote. And what's ironic is The one who Accountant random voted got hanged at the end of the day. Although he said he was interrogating, I'm not buying it at the moment. It has a high possibility he was hitting two townies at head by that. And it's a common scum tactic of targeting a semi-experienced/Newbies for RVs to crack them up.

If NN, Vijarada and Keyen are townies, They should vote Accountant. Here's why:
Accountant knows all townies. S/He is trying to make you three believe that S/He is town because s/he thinks you are town. It has happened with me once. So, Dont get fooled so easy. Noting that Accountant is IC, S/he is using his/her town-leading capacity to make you believe s/he is town. Reading through her/his posts, I am so damn sure he/she is scum.

And How does that mathematics work of me or fruit being scum?

Scums are within Accountant, Vijarada and Fruit. And I'm very sure about Accountant.

So, UNVOTE: Fruit

VOTE: Accountant

[nn30]

General Feeling

Spoiler:

T.T

I DON'T KNOW YET.

Then why post? All this post is, is fluff. No reason to post it, it just clogs up the thread, which only helps the mafia, so stop.

Hah,

Funny story. My first game on this site I sas scum. During this game my partner made some convoluted BS phaux-analytical post. Town didn't see how bad it was but I certainly did.

I 'scum read' her for making such a poorly analytical post.

The rest of the game her analysis was impeccable. I knew who was town and even I was beginning to scum read town slots.

Mission accomplished.

Wyvernites post feels to be in a similar vein; scum coaching scum.

Obviously wyv could be town but just a wrinkle to consider... Continuing my wyv / Deer ISO..

[nn30]

@Vijarada
@Accountant

Can you tell me why you're scum reading Deer / Wyv?

[ArcAngel9]

Arcangel is basically saying "Accountant is wrong because his theory is wrong and I think he should know better". That's garbage reasoning.

No. You're not really understanding my point.

This is a newbie game, So we have players who don't understand how to play this game. IC's are around to help the new players understand the site rules, meta etc. and help them to fit in. I am not referring to this.

My point is - the way Accountant has played his game on day1, I feel that he has not shown interest to look around the other possibilities or serious scum hunting except his hard push on Xnadrajx. He could have actually pushed to use the day 1 wisely and given a chance to XX. Scum loose their grip when a day phase goes for longer, they will not be able to hold on arguments for long but townies can. The way the day was rushed and not really focused on other players, i feel Accountant seems more scum than town to me.

[keyenpeydee]

Okay well, I'm gonna be honest. As you can see, When I started to read the game, I'm always doubting on Accountant. It's because I really don't agree with her reasons about XX's on trying to make the RVS go back when in fact, Something has said already. But I also can see XX being scum, So I need to cooperate with what I think is town and that is Accountant. Sure, I do hammer, But at least I gave reasons on why I think he's scum. Yet, I still highly doubt why I hammered. When I'm thinking Accountant is scum. My Gut says she's town but it's also saying she's scum.

Arc, I do get your point. I do agree with what you said. Your 331 is a good point. Now, I really feel like Accountant is just being pushy on XX which is so damn not good. Considering I said that I didn't really feel Accountant's reason but again, I thought on D1 that I should cooperate on what I think is town. I also gave reasons though.

I'm not feeling Accountant is town again. Not strong TReading her anymore.

[keyenpeydee]

Sorry if my read change all of a sudden. But I do consider what you all said and I need to voice out my problem. I do hope yall could understand what I'm trying to point out.

[ArcAngel9]

Okay well, I'm gonna be honest. As you can see, When I started to read the game, I'm always doubting on Accountant. It's because I really don't agree with her reasons about XX's on trying to make the RVS go back when in fact, Something has said already. But I also can see XX being scum, So I need to cooperate with what I think is town and that is Accountant. Sure, I do hammer, But at least I gave reasons on why I think he's scum. Yet, I still highly doubt why I hammered. When I'm thinking Accountant is scum. My Gut says she's town but it's also saying she's scum.

XX was a new player. He actions looked scummy because he doesn't know how to play as town and when i saw his arguments for the first time , I knew that it is coming from a townie, a frustrated townie who doesn't know how to build up his arguments wisely. And scum has cornered him with the other bunch of newbies and rushed the day 1.

I saw good potential in XX, he would have pulled it off well if he had gotten enough time. And i don't see a newbie player would empathize with him but i expected better from someone like Accountant. And all his actions looks like that just wanted XX to get lynched for the day, nothing else. Which is why I think Accountant is scum.

[ScumDeersAreVeryTasty]

Okay well, I'm gonna be honest. As you can see, When I started to read the game, I'm always doubting on Accountant. It's because I really don't agree with her reasons about XX's on trying to make the RVS go back when in fact, Something has said already. But I also can see XX being scum, So I need to cooperate with what I think is town and that is Accountant. Sure, I do hammer, But at least I gave reasons on why I think he's scum. Yet, I still highly doubt why I hammered. When I'm thinking Accountant is scum. My Gut says she's town but it's also saying she's scum.

XX was a new player. He actions looked scummy because he doesn't know how to play as town and when i saw his arguments for the first time , I knew that it is coming from a townie, a frustrated townie who doesn't know how to build up his arguments wisely. And scum has cornered him with the other bunch of newbies and rushed the day 1.

I saw good potential in XX, he would have pulled it off well if he had gotten enough time. And i don't see a newbie player would empathize with him but i expected better from someone like Accountant. And all his actions looks like that just wanted XX to get lynched for the day, nothing else. Which is why I think Accountant is scum.

I completely agree with everything here.

And Unfortunately, Nobody read my case on Accountant.

[keyenpeydee]

Uh Well, I'll vote for Accountant.

VOTE: Accountant

[nn30]

@Deer - if you want me on an Accountant lynch you're going to have to convince me off of Fruits. Dude has been off the charts with scum pings for me. There may be some merit to an Accountant scum read - but I see so much more from Fruits. It's so bad that I don't see any reason to vote for anyone but him rn.

[keyenpeydee]

@Deer - if you want me on an Accountant lynch you're going to have to convince me off of Fruits. Dude has been off the charts with scum pings for me. There may be some merit to an Accountant scum read - but I see so much more from Fruits. It's so bad that I don't see any reason to vote for anyone but him rn.

What makes Accoutant town for you?

[nn30]

The way he interrogated me and came to the conclusion I'm town.

Now that you make me say that out loud, I may have been snowed by it.

*shrug*

I'll ISO him and see if I can find a reason unrelated to me to town read him. One moment.

[keyenpeydee]

The way he interrogated me and came to the conclusion I'm town.

Now that you make me say that out loud, I may have been snowed by it.

*shrug*

I'll ISO him and see if I can find a reason unrelated to me to town read him. One moment.

I think we should focus on your slot tomorrow after Accountant's lynch.

[ArcAngel9]

@Deer - if you want me on an Accountant lynch you're going to have to convince me off of Fruits. Dude has been off the charts with scum pings for me. There may be some merit to an Accountant scum read - but I see so much more from Fruits. It's so bad that I don't see any reason to vote for anyone but him rn.

Offchart doesn't make anyone scum. Scummy makes people scum.

I am not saying fruits is town but i think someone else is scum.

[ArcAngel9]

The way he interrogated me and came to the conclusion I'm town.

Now that you make me say that out loud, I may have been snowed by it.

*shrug*

I'll ISO him and see if I can find a reason unrelated to me to town read him. One moment.

You should that only makes fruits a lousy townie. Not scummy at all to me!!

[keyenpeydee]

The way he interrogated me and came to the conclusion I'm town.

Now that you make me say that out loud, I may have been snowed by it.

*shrug*

I'll ISO him and see if I can find a reason unrelated to me to town read him. One moment.

You should that only makes fruits a lousy townie. Not scummy at all to me!!

True.

Well, These are my reads btw:

Town:
Arc
Deer
Vijarada

Null:
NN
Fruits

Leaning scum:
Accountant

[ArcAngel9]

I don't know If i wasn't being clear. I was not happy to see the D1 ending so quickly. I believed that Accountant had an ability to extended day if he had a right motive. I am suspecting his motives here.

I'll repeat my statement, and do know I am giving you advice to the true best of my ability and knowledge.

Town should end the day when they have collectively decided on a lynch target, and not a moment sooner or later

.

Prematurely ending the day is bad. Needlessly lengthening the day is also bad;

it allows apathy to creep in, reasoning to become muddied and scum to slip out of the noose.

As an IC, it's my job to set an example for other players and show them how to play good mafia

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A key part of playing good mafia is to focus on scum and get them lynched. Therefore, I focused on XX and got him lynched. Isn't this natural for any town IC to do?

A lot of scummy statements in the above post. See the red lines.

I don't think XX lynch was a collective opinion, I was screaming to stop it and you could have stopped it for me but you didn't.

Hence, False Statement 1

Your second statement is twisty, So when is the good time to end the day? Early or Late? or when everyone come to consensus?.

That's the False Statement 2

So your definition of playing a good mafia is - Corner a newbie and slaughter them? Well played.

False Statement 3

So now you want to define a natural town IC play style? And when i confront a specific behavior as a town IC play , you disagreed with me. And the rules of arguments are different for you?

False Statement 4

[nn30]

Well done in 344 Arc.

VOTE: Accountant

@Keyden Re: 340

Look... If I were scum I'm not going to admit to town reading someone for town reading me. My post, which you quote in 340, is my attempt at transparency as town. Admitting the source of my bias does not make me scummy.

[ArcAngel9]

I don't think you're scum nn30.

[ArcAngel9]

Well done in 344 Arc.

VOTE: Accountant

@Keyden Re: 340

Look... If I were scum I'm not going to admit to town reading someone for town reading me. My post, which you quote in 340, is my attempt at transparency as town. Admitting the source of my bias does not make me scummy.

Oh btw, this was the hammer vote.

Mod, Flip please.

[ArcAngel9]

Incase i get night killed, please don't lynch fruitsman and Deers.

I think they are town. the last scum is between the others.

[keyenpeydee]

I hope this is a scum this time