Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Leonshade]

Only skimmed through the last few pages, but Wisdom's change of heart seems genuine to me, and I don't like farside's reaction to his pressure. I will evaluate my reads when I have more time.

[Infinity 324]

I'm sorry I'm behind in this game but before ISOing I want to say that even though I feel sad to derail a perfectly good nacho wagon, I think I like farside better.

[Infinity 324]

Uh ok since no one's voting farside my vote stays

[Infinity 324]

I've heard before that cakez posts more awkwardly as town: people who've played wth him before, what do you think

[farside22]

Only skimmed through the last few pages, but Wisdom's change of heart seems genuine to me, and I don't like farside's reaction to his pressure. I will evaluate my reads when I have more time.

That's because your skimming.

You should try to read it all and yes I'm a hypocrite on that end because I do the same.

All Wisdom did was switch reads based on nothing from nacho and once others talked about suspicion elsewhere he faked a read.

Also I'll remind you what a dead player said this game, which was bulba: wisdom busses as scum.
So he pushed nacho and Shadow but pushed others above them.
Also he did what infinity did in poker mafia, which is ask a player what they think of scum and then accuse the player of having said read.
It's basically a trap when scum ask the question and then uses said comment later to call that player scum.

Uh ok since no one's voting farside my vote stays

My wisdom scum read is 100% you should sheep it or explain why you disagree.

[farside22]

I've heard before that cakez posts more awkwardly as town: people who've played wth him before, what do you think

Mmmmm idk I didn't see that in Walking dead mafia.
But that game scum buddies and some called him scum.
I had him as a scum read when I replaced and moved to null after I finished my catch up.

[farside22]

Because youre literally the same (and besides i have played like 8 games with you)
And even then i have much stronger reasons than meta for scumreading you that ive already mentioned

And im voting your buddy; i can lynch you in either order

And yet you only mention and link one game.
How fasinating and fake if you.

Actually im not letting it go

Please explain whats wrong with my explanation in 1491 and detail what my scum motivation for passing on the nacho lynch is

I've already said what I thought.
Thank you mister doing meaniless busy work.

It's not hard to follow if he's your scum buddy.
And you are not that dimb.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: farside

[Wisdom]

done talking with you, you can now hang

[SirCakez]

Where the hell did everyone go?

[PeregrineV]

Not back until Monday/Tuesday, but did Leon shoot who they were supposed to, or have a result or something?

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: farside

Farside/cakez interactions: Farside opens by scumreading cakez when shadow was very bussable. There are reasons to do that as scumbuddies though and I've seen farside bus a lot as scum. Then she moves him to null. Also she chainsaws him against me...and he tries repeatedly to engage with her and she blows him off a lot. Then she hard townreads him...Makes sense as scumbuddy interactions but I need to look into more. Maybe after farside flips scum.

@farside Can you go through cakez's ISO and explain your read on him at each stage and why

Other stuff in her ISO: we know her scumreads in 563 are all non-mafia. Also she barely mentions nacho at all until d2 when she votes him...and she doesn't mention wisdom except to soft-defend him against cakez's meta accusation, until d2. 1546 is a good point and I didn't like wisdom's response, not sure if farside would being that up on her scumbuddy but definitely something to look at if she's somehow town. Anyway I think farside/nacho is more likely than farside/wis but there is some possibility of a last minute mad bus attempt.

If anyone still think she's town by the way, look at 563 and see if she's trying to change her approach. She's less aggressive now but still not engaging and trying to solve people. Also she had shadow as null and didn't engage with him, classic scumbuddy interaction. Then she townreads him with pre-flip association with bulba...and never goes back to that read after bulba flips town.

Anyway there's a lot in farside's ISO in terms of interactions and there's more to go into but that's it for now.

Still think wisdom/nacho is S/T because I would very much expect them to start engaging and working together after wisdom's turnaround. Not sure if nacho has posted since then so it might just be wisdom scum. I would say it's unlikely for farside to be bussing here but I know that's not true and she can bus a lot. Need to check how early she was on the nacho wagon today.

[Wisdom]

Still think wisdom/nacho is S/T because I would very much expect them to start engaging and working together after wisdom's turnaround. Not sure if nacho has posted since then so it might just be wisdom scum.

What?

I dont follow your thought process, explain

[Infinity 324]

Never mind, I'll bring it up again after we hear from nacho

[Nachomamma8]

And you will hear from me tomorrow after Thanksgiving weekend is officially over!

[Infinity 324]

Tbh I kinda want to lynch farside now and then figure shit out later. I'd be surprised if she's town because of her reaction to pressure, interactions with shadow, general approach to the game after she said she'd try to improve, plus I remember her being clearly town as town both times I played with her before.

[Wisdom]

i still wanna know how "if nacho hasnt posted it might mean wisdom scum" makes sense

[Infinity 324]

It's possible it doesn't, but there is a reason behind that.

[Kagami]

VOTE: nacho VOTE:

Will go through this when I can, but wouldn't mind seeing a nacho post in the meantime in any case.

[Kagami]

VOTE: nacho

Phones are annoying, should be a mafia scum app.

[Leonshade]

Still haven't caught up, will do during the week instead.

[Tammy]

I'll be here tomorrow, probably maybe, and hopefully nacho will have posted then.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Nothing to see ... more right along ...

[kraska77]

kagami how about cakes today?

[Kagami]

Nacho/farside theory seems nice, but I don't think farside brings up her prevously-mostly-toenread buddy at the end of D1 for no reason when her M.O. up to that point was accusing only Townes (unless godfather or the like).

I'm still not sure what to make of the apparently quite possible N1 town victory. With Leon's kill being strongman, I see no reasonable defense against it unless xykon has some sort of resurrection mechanic or the like. If wisdom is scum and Leon is not, then I see no compelling reason for wisdom to make the bulb shot. While there's no great reason for him to do so as town, the value of a dayvig is much greater for scum.

On a related side-note, I find it somewhat distasteful that the scum win con isn't public, but that's just moderation differences, I suppose.