Mini 1853: Trial of the Evoker [Game Over]

[Nosferatu]

it's more effective if the wagon is on yourself, but it's still very doable and valid and should be done

you should be analyzing wagons at all times, how the build, who builds them, how they fall apart, stall, etc. it's all relevant and all helps paint a more accurate picture

and then you get a flip and you have all of that in your "notes" and it makes everything even more clear - if you're playing that way, and many do

I do when I feel like it, but I need to build meta-reads to be better so not doing it here very much in depth (more just in my head)

Pedit: I know you're talkng to GE, but, no, the VCA just supports the rest of the scum-read on you, it's not the leading factor, it's a supporting factor

with no fucking flips doing VCA is guesswork are you high?

[Nosferatu]

No, it's not the VCA that makes me sr you, it's your lack of presence early game.

I hope so lol

[Nosferatu]

ironically gamma is probably the one with the best reasons for a pisskop vote

[drealmerz7]

with no fucking flips doing VCA is guesswork are you high?

ohgeez another one

yes I'm high

and yes, you can do VCA without a flip

well...I can...

ironically gamma is probably the one with the best

outwardly expressed

reasons for a pisskop vote

ftfy

[pisskop]

eww. dealer has reasons bur hasnt posted them.

[pisskop]

the issue is that my wagon is scum or gamma and gammas push has been entirely vague and weak

[pisskop]

cant hold a conversation with somebody whos arguemnt is ab embodiment of bad pushing

[Nosferatu]

with no fucking flips doing VCA is guesswork are you high?

ohgeez another one

yes I'm high

and yes, you can do VCA without a flip

well...I can...

ironically gamma is probably the one with the best

outwardly expressed

reasons for a pisskop vote

ftfy

ya got me

[pisskop]

nos this game needs people talking. where are you at?

how do yiu feel abouy me 1v1ing the heavily suspected son? about people ignoring how sond is a broken record

[Nosferatu]

I don't think any sort of 1v1 with sondam is going to be productive unless its only maria talking, and that still might just be a waste of time.

gerry is a broken record as town or scum so I don't think it's very telling.

[pisskop]

well ww need sickofit then

[Impoetic]

pisskop is town guys what r u doing

[BATORU]

pisskop is town guys what r u doing

i swear i'm trying to stop slipping

i have different browsers up, the color is different

i'm just really, really bad at things like this. It's....one of my salient character traits

sorry.

-tama

[Gamma Emerald]

Subscribe to the topic in your hydra

[pisskop]

Explain what you mean by vca.

Spoiler: This is (weak) vca

Subject: Mini 1645: BooneyToonz I - The Creepy Caravansary

Given VDA flipped, I would would suspect that his wagon was largely scum driven as well. Scum are either a) lurking/passively agreeing or b) leading the lynches. Oz flipped town. VDA flipped town.

The major wagons that were not those three were RC, Anen, Flub and unsub. (Cut off being 3 votes or more). If we make the cut-off four votes, that's RC and Anen.

RadiantCowbell [6]:

Pramitz (rpb Ellie),

massive, farside22, Aneninen, Klingoncelt, RadiantCowbell
Aneninen [4]: pisskop, massive, TroubledTownie, RadiantCowbell

That's all we get despite the amazing overlap here on RC and Aneninen.

VictorDeAngelo [6]:

Aneninen, farside22,

Ellie

, pisskop, TroubledTownie,

Ozgin

Ozgin [7]:

unsub,

VictorDeAngelo,

Flubbernugget, farside22, pisskop, massive,

Ozgin

Based on that, it's clear that pisskop, massive and and farside have been on most of the popular wagons. Yet, none of these wagons at 1.03 took off. Is it possible because they are on scum rather than town?

Then we have 1.03---

farside22 [3]:

Demerine

, Aneninen,

VictorDeAngelo

Flubbernugget [3]: pisskop,

Pramitz,

unsub
unsub [3]:

Ozgin,

Flubbernugget, RadiantCowbell

VOTE: Farside22

what ever youre doing is meant to stall discussion because youre refusing to talk on a reasonable level

[pisskop]

Im sure I could dig up better examples, but I shiuldnt have to.

You need to double down and explain your reads Gamma.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pisskop didn't really seem to be trying to gamesolve early game.

[pisskop]

okay. Thats a start. which posts offend you?

Was it my interactions with Frozen or Fire?

[BTD6_maker]

I am still very busy. First, though, I will analyse the past Dunnstral wagon to evaluate it before moving on to the new Pisskop wagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

i dont really know the vc, but i heard

fire
Elsa
sondam


non of which id say were wasted wagons atm

Not really expressing any thoughts beyond "I'd wagon these"

Most users of magic reject modern technology. Members of the Felix Family are the major exception; many modern conveniences stem from the imaginations of inventors from the Felix Family.

-Excerpt from

The Fifteen Families

by Frederick Kendall

Votecount 1.10

Sondam (3):

Dunnstral, BTD6_Maker, pisskop

Not Chara (3):

Fire Assassin, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu

Wisdom (2):

Sondam, drealmerz7

Nosferatu (1):

Prism

Gamma Emerald (1):

ironstove

drealmerz (1):

Wisdom

Dunnstral (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (1):

BATORU

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-11-30 13:05:00).

Seeking a replacement for Wisdom.

oh pooes NC is a wagon now.

Id really prefer dunn/drealer/sond but okays.


Wisdom. what are u doing. NC too. Lets stop preening on vanity wagons

Why is your reaction to a wagon on one of your scumreads so muted?

Also looking back gerry might have been onto something when he said Dunn scumslipped
I wasn't a scum slip but opposing an ascetic claim is not very pro-town.

We can lynch it. 2 competing 3man wagons is kind of weak.

At this point Dunnstral was at two votes IIRC. I can understand not being sure, but it feels scummy anyways because scum don't have to analyze everything.

[pisskop]

1020 and 1021 are me catching up with the VC. Didnt I just insult Fire for voting 1 person?

Its sufficient for me to get the votes onto a few people. What kind of response did you want from me during such a muted game?

[pisskop]

At this point Dunnstral was at two votes IIRC. I can understand not being sure, but it feels scummy anyways because scum don't have to analyze everything.

What didnt I analyze? If I dont do preflips, and the content of the game is subpar, where do I go other than force wagons onto my own scumreads and bargin out my vote for reactions?

[Gamma Emerald]

At this point Dunnstral was at two votes IIRC. I can understand not being sure, but it feels scummy anyways because scum don't have to analyze everything.

What didnt I analyze? If I dont do preflips, and the content of the game is subpar, where do I go other than force wagons onto my own scumreads and bargin out my vote for reactions?

You had two stated srs being the leading wagons

[BTD6_maker]

early on he FOSes Sondam and votes sondam. I know people dont put too much stock into opening plays but I do keep it in mind, its one of the first places I look for associations.

Dunn is voting half the game. like he is prodding for a wagon.

dunn how is your hated thingi transformable? its like you can give it to someone else or will it transform randomly or when you die?

It's a curse in my spellbook that I have to pass on when I can (so, the night phase)

I assume it would disappear from the game if the holder were to die

And it doesn't work in lylo

How does a 'curse' work? This sounds a lot like a spell, but he called it a 'curse'. Odd that its not called a 'spell'

And then for the strawmans.

vig sondam

VOTE: Sondam

Wayward curse makes me hated needing 1 less vote to be lynched

And I have to pass it on at the first opportunity

And it doesn't work in lylo

VOTE: Wisdom

actually think pisskop is weird too from the start when I was talking about the curse

Dunnstral stands apart from the group that wish to become evokers gathered in the great chamber. He watches them all, studies each of them carefully, and takes it all in. He hears them talk of spells and the trial that is upon them as if they were adolescents organizing a game of kekbal.

Evil is here, there is no question. We are served with a task and we must begin it immediately. Distractions only allow the enemy to grow it's advantage. And there is no doubt, they are at the advantage. Only the most skilled will survive, that is apparent, he just hopes that the strength of the uncorrupted will prevail over the influences of darkness.

Unobserved and in one flowing yet subtle gesture, he focuses his powers inward and then casts them outward. No words are spoken, but the impact is felt by the entire group.

VOTE: drealmerz7

VOTE: Ironstove
I think this is frozen's town game

This guy is scum and drealmer can die too

Dunnstral casts his finger of suspicion on Nosferatu

FoS Nosferatu

Just played a game with him where we were both scum...... he might be scum again based on what I'm seeing

Your turn now

I just looked at Pisskop's ISO before the Dunn vote and found a strange lack of reasoning. The second post, which seems to ISO Dunn, has very little in the way of analysis. From what I gather, the primary reason Pisskop voted Dunn is because Dunn apparently "scumslipped" by using the word "curse" to describe his Hated ability. The term "Wayward Curse" is probably just flavour and either Pisskop was incredibly mistaken (and should have realised this mistake) or trying to look for fake reasons to scumread someone. Either way, this reflects badly on Pisskop.

Apologies if I missed anything as I had little time.

Mod, can you please update the VC?

[pisskop]

yes? Thats good. Maybe Im not following. Its not my job or preference to interject myself onto them but instead force others onto the wagons and then reading the interactions that result.

And that should be reflected in my play. yes?