DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ
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Andrius The Baker
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Cheetory6 MS Painter
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TBH.
And I risk being a jerk by saying this.
But trying to convince mastina of something is probably futile.
Like.
In general, I think if she is town here, she's only going to re-evaluate with flips or claims. People's opinions don't really play into it I don't think.
If she's scum well, I don't think she's going to budge her reads in a meaningful way that doesn't play into an agenda.-
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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You didn't read the wall I made yesterday on the subject.In post 3426, Cheetory6 wrote:Like, you would think you might be like "oh well maybe my reads aren't perfect" after you made a misstep.
Part of me constantly and consistently reassessing the reads and throwing out the little stuff and focusing on the probabilities is related to this. In that when I am wrong. It's not really me having been wrong. I had thoughts of Something_smart being scum. I cast them out. I discarded them. I made the call that they were incorrect. Yet I had them all the same.
In EVERY game I play, I am both right on EVERY player...
...And WRONG on every player.
Because at some point in the game, I will have cast each player as both alignments.
So no flip surprises me.
None.
Absolutely none. (LEAST of all, someone who was nulltown! Something_smart was literally JUST above null on my list.)
And all my reads are made independently of one another.
So while I may make interactions to strengthen my reads, I do not rely on them in the least. My reads are all formed by themselves. So when someone flips against what I thought, it does absolutely NOTHING to alter my reads whatsoever. Because...well, no shit. My reads were formed independently of one another, so my other reads still stand, unless I have damn good reason to think otherwise.
I have damn good reason to think otherwise on some of my reads. For instance, the change in UT, with him having skyrocketed from second-strongest scumread (the point he was lowest at) to one of my never-touching-ever townreads. That's new information painting a new read. There is no such information to cause a change in SAD. Quite the contrary, all the new information has done isstrengthenedmy SAD read because nothing SAD has done makes me think he's a Something_smart scumbuddy; everything SAD has done makes me think that he's town.-
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Untrod Tripod Fat and Sassy
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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Well too bad.In post 3439, Spiffeh wrote:Her recent answer does not satisfy me
SAD at this point is people's assumed lynch.
I am not getting nightkilled.
I will live to see D3.
I have a nuke.
I have stated many times my intent to nuke LLD.
Unless one of these changes, there is NOTHING I gain by elaborating on LLD today.
When I can just speak with my actions (much louder than words) tomorrow.-
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Cheetory6 MS Painter
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I did.In post 3455, mastina wrote:You didn't read the wall I made yesterday on the subject.
I think you process information a lot differently than literally everyone else if this isn't just scum bullshit.
And I guess to some extent it just bewilders me when people hold onto their own ego of their mindset of processing the game when they get something wrong.
When I fuck up hard, I re-evaluate hard and take input.
I don't think I ever see you do that.-
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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You say you read the post and yet you still say this.In post 3458, Cheetory6 wrote:I don't think I ever see you do that.
If you actually read what I was saying then there's your answer.
The reason you don't see me reevaluate is because the reevaluation is a CONSTANT process going on in my head.
Literally every split fucking second I am focusing on the game I revisit thoughts.
On my head right now are the possibilities of GiF as town and SAD as scum, for instance, but fuck no I'm not going to actually SAY those things because they're things that I am focusing on which I will only share if my opinion actuallydoeschange. It's a complete and utter waste of time otherwise.
I still think SAD is town.
I still think GiF is scum.
I am investigating (mostly mentally but not entirely) the possibilities to the opposite, but if I finish doing that and still conclude SAD is town and GiF is scum...then me saying I am looking into the possibility of SAD as scum and GiF as town is just a waste of time, effort, and space, which will mislead people into thinking my ultimate reads are weaker than they really are. (Because sure, in the moment I am reconsidering SAD as town and GiF as scum, my reads are weaker...but then if the reads are reaffirmed, then they are just as strong if not stronger than before, and yet people have little to no indication of this and will erroneously point to my doubt as "proof" that my read was weaker than what I intended it to be. Especially scum working to discredit me after I die.)-
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Cheetory6 MS Painter
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If everyone in the game was telling me my strongest townread was scum.
I pushed someone as scum.
And that person flipped town.
Or
if I called someone town and that person flipped scum.
I would then feel a lot of doubt for a read that everyone else was also feeling was wrong.
I'm not so arrogant to assume the way that I process things is correct. Sometimes I get shit wrong.
You can act like the above process isn't arrogant, but it is.
The way you process reads and process the game is arrogant in its own way, even if you are constantly at odds with your own reads in your head, you're not at odds with your reads as a result of anything anyone else is saying, it's only the thoughts you alone are having regarding them.-
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GreyICE Fifty Shades
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You know I think you were on SS yesterday. And you're 100% town here. And I'd be proud to say I'm sheeping you.In post 3424, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I get the sense as I depart my computer that mastin's sudden flurry of activity is more or less motivated to derail the righteous SAD lynch.
That's not why I'm voting SAD though.
I can't remember seeing the buck passed harder on a lynch then it was with this post. Even Reckoner thought this was bizarre.In post 2569, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Listen if Reck is willing to put his friendship on the line and risk mislynching a friend that he enjoys mafia with I'm p sure that there's a very good chance he's right.
This, coupled with the fact UT only started doing something when he received heat, makes him good lynchShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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GreyICE Fifty Shades
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Ah yes and the important part.
VOTE: SADShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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McMenno they/themOne For Aren't-We-Allthey/them
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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Fun exercise time:
Dual iso GiF and Something_smart.
DON'T try and cheat by using control-F. Manually read every post the two make especially about each other.
It'll take a little bit of time, I'll admit.
But take careful note of their interactions with one another throughout the whole game.
Especially in reference to the leaked messages we have available.
It really looks like a preplanned bussing routine. GiF didn't suddenly change tune after Something_smart's claim.
GiF's response after the claim? Pretending he'll nuke S_S D3, and continuing a stream of identical posting.
Also, in scummy reversal times:
GiF knew that Something_smart was scum D1. He had been pressing Something_smart as being scum on D1.
During that time, he said that SAD was town.
Literally strewn across GiF's entire iso (go fucking search for yourself if you don't believe me) is, "SAD is town. S_S isn't. Let's lynch S_S."
Yet today, for some INEXPLICABLE reason, with no given justification, he has taken a HARD 180 into "SAD is S_S's scumbuddy".
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Spiffeh He/HimParagoneHe/Him
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In post 3466, Cheetory6 wrote:Zzzz.-
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Untrod Tripod Fat and Sassy
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Ser Arthur Dayne Jack of All Trades
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So you call me smart, you call me stupid, you call me a mafia, and you call me a SK.In post 3421, mastina wrote:
Vendetta?In post 3369, Cephrir wrote:gif has been town the whole game and i don't understand your vendetta with him.
Now tell me.
In the GiF-mastina pair: which person is calling the other a piece of shit?
I don't hold a vendetta against GiF. I certainly don't think he holds one against me, either, which is one of the reasons why I think he's scum.
And I haven't held this opinion the whole game. GiF started as a townread.
But then his posting got worse and worse: more lurking. More apathy. More, lack of anything tangible. He was basically skirting by on absolutely nothing. And then, someone--I forget who--made points against GiF. I didn't acknowledge them at the time (so I'd have to manually search the thread for them and fuck that, too much effort), but while I didn't want to agree, while I didn'twantto let go of the townread, the points resonated with what I was seeing.
Then you get to his attitude this game, and it just reeks of scum coasting. Plus, last I knew, GiF actually holds me in respect as a player, in about the same way you do: if he were town, the expectation I'd hold of him would be that he'd think I was acting weird. He'd be trying to figure out if I was scum just posting blatantly as scum because I didn't know what to do...or if I was town acting batshit insane because of some sort of weird plan I had. You know...basically, exactly what YOU did. What you did, I expected of GiF, because he actually has the knowledge and experience of me to know that when I play in these really odd, strange ways, pulling crazy stunts...that I've always got a plan.
FURTHERMORE, adding to this is the talk we have in the mafia PT. The codes being used, and the style of posting, when serious, are exactly the type I can see GiF devising. Now, mind you. He's not the only player who could have come up with these. RC is a secondary candidate for exactly that. I could probably compile off of their psychological profiles a full list, but just from the game thread alone you can already know that LLD would be in their because she TOLD us she can and has done it before. But GiF remains a suspect.
Then, there's the whole way he and Something_smart handled the claim and counterclaim. Something_smart put zero effort into defending himself. He put zero effort into convincing us he was the cop. He didn't bother to defend himself even remotely. He did nothing. He was deliberately preparing to die. No attempt at fighting back, other than a halfhearted vote on GiF post-counterclaim.
And GiF's end is no better. GuyInFreezer was not acting like a cop and he did nothing to push the wagon through on S_s without a claim. This wasn't exactly impossible, either--Something_smart had like four or five votes even post-claim, with his wagonresurging. It was growing. BY ITSELF. Without a counterclaim. The counterclaim wasn't needed. All he'd need to do is to press forward and put even remotely some effort into trying to sway people, and he could have lynched Something_smart without the counterclaim.
Then, he claims to have investigated Fate, the nightkill. That delays him giving hard results. That means there is no player we can clear of being mafia today. That means that we have less information to work with and the PoE pool remains just as large as it was before. Plus, some of the leaked chat suggests to me, potentially off of the timestamps, that Something_smart's cop claim was pre-planned, and also that GiF may have been weighing on NOT counterclaiming Something_smart.
This is no vendetta.
This is just pure, simple scumhunting.
GiF is scum.
He is also, however, regrettably above reproach, at least for the time being.
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The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
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