Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Nachomamma8]

Would be interested in hearing about farside's reasons for hard townreading Cakez if they still apply.

[Nachomamma8]

after she said she'd try to improve,

Why does her saying she'd try to improve mean anything to you?

[Nachomamma8]

i still wanna know how "if nacho hasnt posted it might mean wisdom scum" makes sense

Also general reminder to explain this now that I've posted although it's mostly for curiosity's sake.

[Tammy]

have I said nothing interested or is this a pretend tammy isn't in the game type of game?

[Tammy]

*interesting

[Nachomamma8]

I'm catching up in my usual way, had no plans of ignoring you.

[Nachomamma8]

Am mostly focused on your main request which seemed to be "comment on things other than Wisdom", no?

[Tammy]

kay

What do you think about kraska's role knowing what my role is?

[Nachomamma8]

The problem with lyncher-on-town is that the game could still end N1, even though the lyncher wouldn't be playing optimally for that to happen.

We could have compelled town-lyncher-Leon to vig all the same if we had already killed two scum, and even a reasonable player may have felt their odds of success were maximized by making the kill and hoping it wasn't scum.

I guess that lyncher on town is the explanation that makes the most sense but I don't really think it does make all that much sense; claiming "lyncher on Xykon" when Xykon is probably in the game is dumb as hell and if he was lyncher on town then the lyncher claim doesn't make sense since claiming town offers all the benefits of the claim he ended up making without being tied to a particular scum player. I don't think that Wisdom as factional scum makes that much sense at this point; I mean yeah I guess he could be playing a particularly effective game as scum but it doesn't feel that way from where I'm standing. I see a possibility where MoI forgot about that comment he made five years ago before he took a break from mafia (although you're right that missing out on that principled stance seems odd in general) or there are some funky shenanigans going on.

[Nachomamma8]

kay

What do you think about kraska's role knowing what my role is?

I think that it means I should know what two characters you are and I don't. I'm not bothered by kraska knowing limitations of your bulletproof with you not knowing said limitations; for one, it's a really odd thing to fakeclaim and I don't think kraska is creative like that, and for two, I don't think that kraska would lie about those limitations existing and I don't think that she'd talk about them if she were scum. If she were scum against you, I also don't think that there would have been a no kill last night unless the scumteam is batshit insane.

[Nachomamma8]

also I find it hard to believe he's SK with a lyncher fakeclaim
If we lynched Xykon and he still lived it would be instaloss for him

You can argue it's the same for him being a lyncher on a town flavor but at least in that case he has the chance to win before we lynch Xykon, it makes more sense

It makes more sense but I don't think it makes much sense in general.

[Nachomamma8]

Although I do suppose "the game only ends N1 if a player doesn't play optimally" is a possible rationalization for allowing the possibility to exist, if that makes sense at all!

[Nachomamma8]

i really dont see wisdom being scum even if leon turns out to be a protown lyncher

I agree with this.

[Nachomamma8]

Maybe a lyncher on town constitutes a threat to town; then everything makes sense.

That would make a lot of sense, wouldn't it?

You've outed the "I think that there is another third party role!" piece of reasoning now, and this soft still doesn't make sense if it's saying something other than "I am a lyncher on town!".

[Nachomamma8]

Was hoping for something way more from Nacho.

He's probably just scum

I thought it was funny that you brought up that you felt like me in Three Little Pigs because my first thought when I read this was that I understood how you felt in Three Little Pigs (although I'm obviously not as annoyed as you were). I understand why you were expecting the full catchup to happen Monday, but I don't think that it not happening should be a surprise and I don't think that "he is scum and putting this game off because he is scum" is a reasonable explanation for an absence there.

[Tammy]

I actually wasn't expecting a full catchup on Monday. I was expecting something more than telling leon to full claim though.

[Nachomamma8]

ffs you guys Nacho just threw out a shitload of AtE then started lurking and it's working! It reminds of Musical Mafia where he did the same thing as part of the Pied Piper and nearly got away, but Cerberus saved the game.

Meta!


Using Musical Mafia as an example of my scum play is sort of a poor example when another head was the primary posting head.

Many sheeping without explaining coming and I feel myself hating this game more because all I see is apparently it's ok to add a vote for shitty reasons but I have to jump through hoops to explain myself more then anyone else does in this game.

I seriously wish someone at the end of this game to explain why that happens because currently it's the last straw for me at this point where I want nothing to to with mafia any more.

Don't really see these two things coming from scum-Farside.
Surprised that others do.

[Nachomamma8]

I actually wasn't expecting a full catchup on Monday. I was expecting something more than telling leon to full claim though.

What were you expecting?

[Wisdom]

i dont see everything else coming from town farside so

[Nachomamma8]

I'm kind of entertaining Kraska-wisdom, which explains a lot of oddities in this game.

And yet is an oddity in and of itself.

[Nachomamma8]

i dont see everything else coming from town farside so

I think that her response to you in Duck Duck Goose was considerably restrained compared to here; notice how in Duck Duck Goose she said she would rant post game whereas here she's ranted, she's called on ghosts of the dead to reinforce her 100% read (which is stronger language than she used there), she's talking about no one understands her and she's not quite sure why that is and she might quit mafia because of it. If she's scum here, she's going a lot deeper than I'd expect her to.

[Tammy]

I actually wasn't expecting a full catchup on Monday. I was expecting something more than telling leon to full claim though.

What were you expecting?

post 1790, Tammy"]I was expecting something more than telling leon to full claim though.[/quote]

[Nachomamma8]

I actually wasn't expecting a full catchup on Monday. I was expecting something more than telling leon to full claim though.

What were you expecting?

And I'm saying this because non-contribution drop-ins aren't exactly unusual from me when I'm not ready to catch up in a game; I like knowing what's going on when I'm posting reads and analysis regardless of alignment but avoiding a game until I'm ready to post in it also means that I'm occasionally gone for long periods of time and it tends to snowball into worse inactivity.

[Nachomamma8]

I do feel like the game could be flowcharted from here pretty easily.

The gamestate is pretty cleanly split between a team in {farside, cakez, nacho} and something with wisdom in it.

I'm kind of entertaining Kraska-wisdom, which explains a lot of oddities in this game.

I would have liked to get to the bottom of the Leon issue, which would potentially clarify wisdom's alignment; nothing super obvious jumps out at me going through my iso.

Why are you townreading Peregrine? Where did your townread on farside go?

[Nachomamma8]

We don't know flavor was necessary to perform the kill, or if any post was required at all.

No team evil member stabs people, which is part of why I'm concerned about it. It seems like very poor design to have an dayvig-flavor IC.

Dayvig-flavor godfather also seems pretty strange to me unless I'm misunderstanding you in a big way.