Newbie 1761: Welcome to Mafia (Game Over)

Equinox · Post Post #275 (ISO) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:20 am

Vote Count 1.11XnadrojX (2) - Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez, Cheetory6
Cheetory6 (1) - algebra
Deimos27 (1) - MortFeld

Not Voting (5) - ArcAngel9, karldilkington, Clemency, Deimos27, XnadrojX

With 9 votes in play, it will take 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, December 13, 2016, at 9:00 PM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2016-12-13 21:00:00).

Moderator CommentsArcAngel9 is on V/LA from December 2 to December 8.
Deimos27 is on V/LA from December 4 to December 6.

Clemency · Post Post #276 (ISO) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:23 am

In post 274, MortFeld wrote:
In post 273, Clemency wrote:The Deimos read is mostly gut from me, and there isn't really anything I can say about xnad that you haven't.
Why did you scumread Xnad before I cased him?

This is a bad answer.

It's not a read I'm really sure of. Well, at least I wasn't until you did case him. It's mostly out of me not really having any strong reads yet and he seemed the most off to me at the time.

MortFeld · Post Post #277 (ISO) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:24 am

In post 276, Clemency wrote:
In post 274, MortFeld wrote:
In post 273, Clemency wrote:The Deimos read is mostly gut from me, and there isn't really anything I can say about xnad that you haven't.
Why did you scumread Xnad before I cased him?

This is a bad answer.
It's not a read I'm really sure of. Well, at least I wasn't until you did case him. It's mostly out of me not really having any strong reads yet and he seemed the most off to me at the time.

Why don't you have strong reads?

Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez · Post Post #278 (ISO) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:34 am

I asked Mort because I want to know if you're pushing for a Deimos wagon because it seems like it. On a totally random side note for some reason you strikes me like your role is towny cop, whether it be flavor or not I dunno yet or why I feel this way. xD (Please don't scumread this it's just a weird inkling I have that won't go away and I decided to voice it. If you want you don't have to answer that part.)

MortFeld · Post Post #279 (ISO) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:44 am

In post 278, Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez wrote:I asked Mort because I want to know if you're pushing for a Deimos wagon because it seems like it. On a totally random side note for some reason you strikes me like your role is towny cop, whether it be flavor or not I dunno yet or why I feel this way. xD (Please don't scumread this it's just a weird inkling I have that won't go away and I decided to voice it. If you want you don't have to answer that part.)

Why would you make a comment like this if you know it's PR hunting and that it looks scummy?

I'm not pushing a Deimos wagon. I'm voting Deimos because I think he's scum, but I want to see where the rest of the votes fall. People don't seem to want to vote.

I plan to case Deimos eventually but I'm holding back right now for reasons.

XnadrojX · Post Post #280 (ISO) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:07 pm

In post 261, Cheetory6 wrote:Can you try and talk a little bit about why you voted him there?
Like.

He voted me with reasons that I was trying to explain and I was frustrated that his understanding of me was different from what I meant. I understand the way I spoke was rather inaccurate but at that point of time I felt he was disregarding my explanation.

MortFeld · Post Post #281 (ISO) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:56 pm

Who are you scumreading right now, Xnad?

XnadrojX · Post Post #282 (ISO) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:31 pm

Cheetory and Clemency

Equinox · Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:29 am

karldilkington has been prodded.

MortFeld · Post Post #284 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:09 am

Game is way too quiet.

Everyone who is not voting needs to either vote or explain why they aren't voting in their next post.

Deimos27 · Post Post #285 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:43 pm

I have a minute of time to talk here, so let me point this one thing out:

In post 217, MortFeld wrote:
In post 214, Deimos27 wrote: give me your thoughts on everyone else in the game. Who are your top picks for scum?
Town - Zaraki, Algebra
Town lean - Clem, Karl
Null - Cheetory, Arc
Scum lean - Xnad
Scum - Deimos

Clem is up there as a townlean. M'kay.

In post 226, MortFeld wrote:
In post 224, Deimos27 wrote:Sure, but assuming I'm town, who would be your top picks for scum?
Probably Xnad. Maybe Clem.

Woah what? Clem just bounced down from above Cheetory and Arc to below them. Also Karl didn't move (presumably not as low as Clemency anyway).

This means that Clemency's interactions become especially scum-motivated if I flip town, whilst if I flip scum they're town-motivated. Would you like to explain yourself?

Why do you want me to start giving associations so badly? I think associations are counterproductive on Day 1. I actually think I need a good answer to this, I very visibly dodged your question, had a good reason to do so, and then you pressed me on it.

(If you meta me, you'll see I said ~X in a different game. If you're curious about this you can ask me)

I get to notice discrepancies like the above, mate. Now why are they counter-productive?

I retract town read on Mort and I encourage others to do so as well. Why? It's true that he's been asking a lot of good questions and being active, but he hasn't actually been given a chance to answer many, or slip up. So I asked a few questions, and look what happened!

MortFeld wrote:Game is way too quiet.

Everyone who is not voting needs to either vote or explain why they aren't voting in their next post.

Since you asked:
VOTE: MortFeld
This slot hasn't had any pressure all game.

I'd roll with a Clemency lynch as well. Xnad requires a re-read but I haven't got any time for that rn.

MortFeld · Post Post #286 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:20 pm

In post 285, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 226, MortFeld wrote:
In post 224, Deimos27 wrote:Sure, but assuming I'm town, who would be your top picks for scum?
Probably Xnad. Maybe Clem.
Woah what? Clem just bounced down from above Cheetory and Arc to below them. Also Karl didn't move (presumably not as low as Clemency anyway).

This means that Clemency's interactions become especially scum-motivated if I flip town, whilst if I flip scum they're town-motivated. Would you like to explain yourself?

Sure. Before 226 Clem had been throwing shade at you, so if you're town he's a good place to look at for scum. Also in 273 he says his Deimos scumread is "mostly gut" which is meaningless and not a basis for a scum read. But if you flip scum, he's either distancing or town. This is one of a number of reasons why I want everyone to vote; Clem needs to back his suspicion up with a vote.

As for why I townleaned him earlier, it's because I agreed with him on most of his assessments of how the early game was going.

In post 285, Deimos27 wrote:
Why do you want me to start giving associations so badly? I think associations are counterproductive on Day 1. I actually think I need a good answer to this, I very visibly dodged your question, had a good reason to do so, and then you pressed me on it.

(If you meta me, you'll see I said ~X in a different game. If you're curious about this you can ask me)
I get to notice discrepancies like the above, mate. Now why are they counter-productive?

I retract town read on Mort and I encourage others to do so as well. Why? It's true that he's been asking a lot of good questions and being active, but he hasn't actually been given a chance to answer many, or slip up. So I asked a few questions, and look what happened!

Explain how this is scummy? Where is the discrepancy?

Also, how is the fact that I haven't been pressured much scummy?

Also, what formed the basis for your town read on me? And, assuming you can cogently explain a scummy discrepancy that I'm not seeing, how does this erase your town read of me?

MortFeld · Post Post #287 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:24 pm

Me saying town!Deimos -> maybe scum!Clem is not me scumreading Clem. Especially when I scumread Deimos. This is why I think asking for associations on Day 1 is counterproductive, they lead to nonsense like this. In Newbie 1750 I gave associations as town on Day 1 and they lead to others giving constant misreps of my reads on Day 2.

MortFeld · Post Post #288 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:29 pm

In post 286, MortFeld wrote:Also in 273 he says his Deimos scumread is "mostly gut" which is meaningless and
not a basis for a scum read
.

This isn't strictly true, but justifying his Deimos scumread with 'gut' falls in line with him throwing shade, i.e. not explaining his scumread in a coherent way.

MortFeld · Post Post #289 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:59 pm

@Clem - forgot to ask. You said your Deimos scumread was

mostly

gut. What was the other part of your reasoning?

XnadrojX · Post Post #290 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:33 pm

VOTE: Clemency
I'm gonna give Cheetory some time to "catch up" as he is "reading page 4"

MortFeld · Post Post #291 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:40 pm

In post 290, XnadrojX wrote:VOTE: Clemency
I'm gonna give Cheetory some time to "catch up" as he is "reading page 4"

Thoughts on Deimos' vote on me?

Why do you scumread Clemency and Cheetory?

algebra · Post Post #292 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:00 pm

I'm just waiting for archangel to come back so I can twist her inside iut

MortFeld · Post Post #293 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:10 pm

In post 242, algebra wrote:Clemency, who do you think is mafia?
If you had to bet on one person being town, who would it be?

Did you glean anything from his answers?

Also,

In post 267, MortFeld wrote:@Algebra,
Motivation to leave RVS is a weird towntell. Not even scum want to stay in RVS forever, where they have zero control. Why is wanting to leave it earlier rather than later considered towny?

Also, has your read of Deimos changed since the early game?

algebra · Post Post #294 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:19 pm

I'm phone posting so I'll only answer the first part. He's sitting on the fence, like scum would.

MortFeld · Post Post #295 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:21 pm

I agree. My town lean has evaporated.

MortFeld · Post Post #296 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:14 pm

Reading Newbie 1751. Makes me doubly interested in the answer to 277.

MortFeld · Post Post #297 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:25 pm

Nevermind, 1751 isn't particularly illuminating of Clemency's playstyle. He's just new and could be scum unsure or town unsure. But I am looking forward to dialoguing with him when he comes back.

XnadrojX · Post Post #298 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:12 pm

about Cheetory, I get the strange vibes off him, like he makes plays I don't understand and I don't feel good about him being Town. And this has little to do with alignment but he's been on page 4 for like, half a week? and I would like him to be able to read pages 5-12 faster than pages 1-4.

XnadrojX · Post Post #299 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:17 pm

In post 276, Clemency wrote:
In post 274, MortFeld wrote:
In post 273, Clemency wrote:The Deimos read is mostly gut from me, and there isn't really anything I can say about xnad that you haven't.
Why did you scumread Xnad before I cased him?

This is a bad answer.
It's not a read I'm really sure of. Well, at least I wasn't until you did case him. It's mostly out of me not really having any strong reads yet and he seemed the most off to me at the time.

In post 273, Clemency wrote:The Deimos read is mostly gut from me, and there isn't really anything I can say about xnad that you haven't.

In post 271, Clemency wrote:
In post 268, MortFeld wrote:
In post 259, Clemency wrote:
In post 242, algebra wrote:Clemency, who do you think is mafia?
If you had to bet on one person being town, who would it be?
I don't have any scumreads at the moment, but Deimos and Xand seem most suspicious to me.
Either these are scumreads, or you don't find them suspicious. You can't breadcrumb having null reads on Deimos and Xnad while also saying they're suspicious. Please resolve this quickly if you're town.
In that case these are my scumreads.

In post 259, Clemency wrote:
In post 242, algebra wrote:Clemency, who do you think is mafia?
If you had to bet on one person being town, who would it be?
I don't have any scumreads at the moment, but Deimos and Xand seem most suspicious to me.
I'd bet on Mort being town.

These "scumreads" are bad imo.

"I don't have any scumreads at the moment, but Deimos and Xand seem most suspicious to me."
"You can't breadcrumb having null reads on Deimos and Xnad while also saying they're suspicious."
"In that case these are my scumreads."
^Does this feel bad to anyone as well?

Him saying you did all the reasoning for why I'm scum is also bad. He's jumping on whoever MortFeld, currently towniest player, scumreads.