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[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.16

JR (2) - XnadrojX, Deimos27
algebra (1) - PenguinPower
Deimos27 (1) - MortFeld
Nachomamma8 (1) - algebra
XnadrojX (1) - Nachomamma8

Not Voting (3) - ArcAngel9, JR, Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez

With 9 votes in play, it will take 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, December 13, 2016, at 9:00 PM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2016-12-13 21:00:00).

Moderator Comments

ArcAngel9 is on V/LA from December 2 to December 8.
Deimos27 is on V/LA for an indefinite period.

Nachomamma8 replaces Cheetory6. Thank you!

[Nachomamma8]

Hi ArcAngel!!!

[algebra]

He didn't even say your posts are definitely scummy, he just said that they're not towny given that you've done nothing otherwise.

Also, answer direct questions for farks sake, it's insane that you think it's okay to be this avoidant if you're town

Make sure you bold @algebra so I don't miss any questions

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

I honestly gotta go with Mort. I hate voting up an V/LA guy but he does seem super scummy, especially in the beginning.

I still don't like Xnad but

@Algebra

you refuse to answer answers straight. You reply to that thing beside the question. It makes me suspicious but Deimos seems to be the scummier of the two.
Therefore:

Vote: Deimos

[PenguinPower]

Deimos seems to be the scummier of the two.

Why?

[MortFeld]

He didn't even say your posts are definitely scummy, he just said that they're not towny given that you've done nothing otherwise.

Also, answer direct questions for farks sake, it's insane that you think it's okay to be this avoidant if you're town

Make sure you bold @algebra so I don't miss any questions

This is crap. The question I asked you is so simple, there's no way you forgot it. It's literally: you said Deimos looked town in the early game. What do you think about him now? That was in 293.

I'm phone posting so I'll only answer the first part. He's sitting on the fence, like scum would.

Ok, sure. When you get to a computer you'll answer it.

Also, answer 293. Now. Cheetory asked you the same question and you ignored him too.

I'll see if Deimos is town or scum once arcangel catches up

Oh, wait. Now you're not answering it because Arc hasn't caught up. Why didn't you say this originally? And unless you explain this in a way that makes sense later, it's not valid. Everyone else has given their opinions on multiple people, how are Deimos and Arc specifically connected?

I can't think of any town reason for you to withhold your thoughts here. You've literally seen the question and directly avoided answering it twice, citing a different reason each time.

[XnadrojX]

I don't know whether I should scumread Clem slot more or Algebra more.

Phone posting rn will offer my opinions later

[MortFeld]

I don't know whether I should scumread Clem slot more or Algebra more.

Do you think JR is scummy?

[XnadrojX]

That's the issue. Clem was a scummy slot while JR is giving town feel. Algebra is getting scummier and scummier as the game goes by when he wasn't scummy originally.

[algebra]

Yeah I agree the Clem slot has done a 180 degree turn, town

Mort I'll be in a computer within the hour to explain don't worry baby

[MortFeld]

Clem was a scummy slot while JR is giving town feel. Algebra is getting scummier and scummier as the game goes by when he wasn't scummy originally.

This is such an issue this game. You need to justify this stuff. Why was Clem scummy? Why is Algebra getting scummier? Why is JR giving town feel?

[algebra]

@mort

Deimos was doing fine early game, but once some pressure was applied to him, he fell apart. He's vote hopping and being overly defensive. This could be self-doubting town, or backpedaling scum. Most likely the latter, but we'll see once Arc catches up.

The correlation between the two is simple. There's scum in {Arc, Deimos}. If one of them looks town, that increases the chances of the other being scum, and vice versa.

Hopefully this answer pleases you so you can stop nagging me.

[MortFeld]

The correlation between the two is simple. There's scum in {Arc, Deimos}.

You do realize that the fact that the town in your PoE has already changed makes the method itself unviable, right? You can't isolate a set of possible scum just by determining who town are when it's Day 1, so nobody has flipped and your reads have no fixed reference point. It's not actually process of elimination if the criteria used for one set are as weak as yours were in 131.

If one of them looks town, that increases the chances of the other being scum, and vice versa.

It shouldn't, at least, any more than town!Deimos/Arc should increase the chances of scum!anyone else. This association is based on faulty precepts.

Hopefully this answer pleases you so you can stop nagging me.

Forcing you to answer a simple question you have no reason not to answer isn't nagging you.

You can't expect anyone else to agree with your conclusions when your method makes this little sense. Therefore, you are willingly declining to cooperate with town. This is anti-town play.

[algebra]

It isn't Poe, it's town hunting.

[MortFeld]

It isn't Poe, it's town hunting.

You are isolating a set of possible scum based on the fact that you town read everyone else. Explain how that is not PoE?

[algebra]

I see PoE as using confirmed town to find scum. But it's D1. Why is this method not valid?

[MortFeld]

I see PoE as using confirmed town to find scum. But it's D1. Why is this method not valid?

It's not valid because scum can still be outside {Cheetory/Nacho, Deimos, Arc} (is this even the set you're working with?) and you have presented no good reason for anyone else to believe otherwise.

[algebra]

Yes that is the set.

Scum can still be outside Deimos and Nadro, so I can I call your methods invalid too?

[MortFeld]

Yes that is the set.

Scum can still be outside Deimos and Nadro, so I can I call your methods invalid too?

But I'm not purporting certainty like you are. Also I've given reasons to scumread my set of 2. You need to give updated reasons to townread your set of 5.

[MortFeld]

Also I've given reasons to scumread my set of 2.

Also it's not even a set of 2. I'd rather work day to day. Today I want to lynch Deimos, Algebra (was?) is a compromise. Tomorrow we'll see what happens after 1-2 flips.

[algebra]

JR - I like his tone, and he brought up some good points in 364 My weakest town read.

PenguinPower/Mostly Karl - Karl's 68 was a good poke at Zaraki for his backpedaling. 129 was actually questioning me, contradicting what JR said in his 364, but that's barely relevant. 193 is good too.

However, PP hasn't done anything besides asking simple questions that barely push the game forward. He said he has some thoughts, but he hasn't expressed any of them yet.

MortFeld - This level of activity is hard to fake as scum.

Xnadro - In 299, he took the words out of my mouth. Also questions me in 145, contradicting what JR said in 364, but that's still irrelevant.

@PP

can you give me a run-down of your reads?

[algebra]

Forgot Zaraki, but he's conf town imo. No scum would attack someone for calling them a noob.

[MortFeld]

The correlation between the two is simple. There's scum in {Arc, Deimos}. If one of them looks town, that increases the chances of the other being scum, and vice versa.

Why would this prevent you from giving your own read of Deimos?

[algebra]

I'm confused, I did give a read of deimos.

[MortFeld]

I'm confused, I did give a read of deimos.

I asked you to do so way back. First you declined because you were phoneposting, then you said

I'll see if Deimos is town or scum once arcangel catches up

That is, Arc's not having caught up somehow prevented you from giving your read of Deimos, and I am still trying to figure out why. Now I understand that you were saying that Deimos' alignment was linked with Arc's because of your 'townhunting,' but that was still not an answer to my question. Your answer only came in 411.

So, why did you take so long (literally asked three times and only answered on the third) to answer?