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dunn id townbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Maybe. I really want him to be town. And what he is saying makes sense.In post 1024, kraska77 wrote:camn you wouldnt have done that 180 on spyrex if it werent for the upgrade rabble right?
But I'm not 180'd yet. Like...60'd"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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As long as two players can confirm independently that Dunn’s role actually works then he’s pretty solidly Town in my book. Otherwise he would be scum who locked themselves into a Day 1 claim about improving Town’s power overall given that scum Dunn means at most one of the robots is scum. The mass flavor claim Day 1 also gets Town points given his claim.
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What you choose to do with your own robotic body is no concern of mine but maybe broadcasting it so publicly makes you look a little trashy Camn
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Why? Something more than a pithy one-liner might be appropriate in this circumstance.In post 1011, SpyreX wrote:I really think it's kop
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I’ve given you some wide latitude given your early Miller claim but the laziness in this post is making me doubt now.In post 1013, kraska77 wrote:Let's lynch pisskop then
Whatever he flips ( I think he'll flip scum), we drop the whole there's scum in the robots deal after
Or lynch MoI....can't really see anyone else as scum
How many scum do you think are in the game?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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^camn look at this post remember this post so town^In post 52, SpyreX wrote:So ftr i asked in a pm if that means scum have daytalk or if they just have access to the topic
Cause if it's the former i feel good about moi
Of its the latter well
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u addressed the daytalk pm stuff
but im talking more about the moi read itselfIn post 176, kraska77 wrote:@jae
I like spyrex because of the moo read
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though im by default okay w blth a camn or a spy lynchbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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goimg to the gym rn. not gonna be game solving in between sets so canu wait?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.-
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So now that Camn case I have been talking about.
I’ll keep this as concise as possible …
1. IAI and Camn interactions.
IAI (scum) begins catchup at 211. Generally not much to say on Camn other than assessing her vote at 61 is good. Nothing definitive in the completed catchup at 237. So Camn is basically a non-entity.
But let’s examine Camn’s reaction – 238 and 239. There is more or less an hour between these and I think that’s telling. 238 is basically “OMG, IAI is so scummy for that IIoA”. She retracts this in 239 saying “catchups are always scummy looking”. I think this highlights Camn having inside information given the reaction in 238. The immediate vote when she had posted nothing about the slot before feels very much like “Better get on board the bus early” gut reaction to a bad series of posts by IAI. Yet after some reflection she backs off saying “Cold Catchups are always scummy … give IAI some time”. Which is a rational back-track for a partner when she got no immediate reaction to her “GO GO GO” lynch previous post.
Then in 299 we get “IAI is still scummy but I prefer a pisskop vote” which is textbook Suspect Partner, vote Town.
2. Camn and Aristo interactions.
There are really none until the point that Aristo is getting lynched. And the fact that Aristo lurking is his scum meta and Camn’s love for lurker lynches (see 255) I would expect some pressure on Arist from Camn. Instead we get the pre-flip posturing seen in 693.
Meanwhile Aristo doesn’t talk to Camn but soft defends her to others. At 431 asks kraska to explain her Camn vote. And further suggests at 438 that kraska’s vote is suspect due to a lack of Camn discussion in kraska’s ISO.
3. Lack of logical trajectory on her reads and actions towards me.
Let’s start with her Day 1 readslist at 418 – I’m Town.
Day 2 comes along and Camn helps fuel the LUV wagon until the point of claim. She hops off to vote me in 884 and 885. Ok, she’s changed her position. It can happen given how little there is to either of her reasons for reading me
Day 3 comes along. Now at the end of Day 2 I was supposedly her top scum read. And I just hammered a mislynch on a useful Town PR. Yet today not only does she come out firing at Spyrex but doesn’t respond at all to me calling her my top scum suspect. There is no continuity of thought to the manner in which her read on me waffles. If I was scum Day 2 and came out today calling her my top suspect why does she not say I’m scum trying to mislynch her? That would make sense.
Instead she’s doing everything in her power to avoid my wagon. Which is the kind of behavior I would expect from scum who hoped today would be an easy lynch on me run by mostly Town and doesn’t want to be shown pushing the mislynch.
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So today is the next day. Camn should be confirmed Town per her own statements. Yet nothing of the sort has occurred and her claim doesn’t give any reason for her to expect this either.In post 357, camn wrote:But im town, and will be conf by tomorrow or the next day for sure.
5. Nacho buddying
This is pretty straightforward – easy way to pad how correct your read on Town you are going to Nightkill is by strongly buddying up to them in thread.
6. Strange posting regarding flavor –
I noticed this in my Night 2 re-read of Camn (which LLD can confirm). Early on the following post is odd –
Notice the angle she approaches this from. She doesn’t mention that scum are likely to have fake-claims (which is pretty standard from competent Mods). Which would be a reasonable stance. Instead her angle is “Everyone is morally grey” which I then offhand show her not to be the case.In post 30, camn wrote:Also, Dunn... I doubt that flavor will indicate alignment. Everyone in the comic is pretty grey, morality-wise. Except Claire and Hanners, of course.
Actually I guess the robot fighting pit-boss maybe is pure evil.
Why this struck me on re-read is the fact that Aristo claimed the flavor he flipped. Why would he have not chosen to claim a safe-claim? Beatrice is, as I have said, one of the most Assholish of the people on this list.
Those two elements make me believe that scum don’t have flavor claims other than their assigned characters and either have no safe-claims or simply have safe-claims of roles. The first being the case would explain why she’s claimed some oddball 1-Shot Modified Hider role that she supposedly used twice, has failed twice, that she can’t use again, and why she has refused to claim the targets of her failed uses.
So there you have it. As concise as I can make it.
Be cool – vote Camn."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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1. IAI and Camn interactions.
I got no reaction in between back to back posts?a rational back-track for a partner when she got no immediate reaction to her “GO GO GO” lynch previous post.
Why wouldn't I wait for people to.. react.. if I was looking for a quickwagon? Doesn't fly. If I wanted to bus- I would give people some time. This was a real live reconsideration on my part.
Except Pisskop might be scum. So if he flips scum.. is this classic: caught one scum, voted other scum? We will see.Then in 299 we get “IAI is still scummy but I prefer a pisskop vote” which is textbook Suspect Partner, vote Town.
2. Camn and Aristo interactions.
Aristo was a replacement.. not a lurker. And I know bussing/wifom/whatever.. but I feel like I was reasonably active getting him dead. Also- I was smart enough to "get on board the bus early” with IAI.. but not smart enough to do it with Aristo? I don't think so.Aristo lurking is his scum meta and Camn’s love for lurker lynches
3. Lack of logical trajectory on her reads and actions towards me.
Consistency is for scum. Also, this is big words for OMGUS.
4. Reminder about the following quote –
The night actions didn't go as I forsaw.
5. Nacho buddying
When I am scum, I usually don't kill the poeple who are buddying ME.. and defending me all over the place. Bring the WIFOM.. but thats crazy.
Also....That last one is me LITERALLY throwing suspicion on nacho while calling for a hammer on scum. Doesn't fit your narrative, though.. so I see why you left it out.Spoiler: MAYBE YOU FORGOT I WAS KIND OF FEELING NACHO-SCUM?
6. Strange posting regarding flavor –
Here Magna claims that I am scum.. and I know that my partner is Beatrice, as he says- "one of the most Assholish of the people on this list"... AND there are no fake-claims........and then I claimed that flavor likely wouldn't indicate alignment.
By his own logic, saying that flavor won't indicate alignment in this scenario is the one thing scum WOULDN'T say. Its actually a towntell
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I claim when I want. When I am not pressured, and it would be suboptimal townplay-...why she has refused to claim...I don't claim. Do you?"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Vote Count 3.2MagnaofIllusion [2] Socrates, Kraska77 Camn [2] MagnaofIllusion, SpyreX Dunnstral [1] Pisskop Kraska77 [1] Lady Lambdadelta Not Voting [2] Dunnstral, Camn
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I would like to lynch Kraska or Camn.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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@pisskop and LLD– If you think Camn is scum please move your vote to her. Right now you are on singleton wagons and the only way the day is going to progress is if we get a wagon built. Camn is scum and a great place for your votes.
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Of course it was reconsideration – you realized that your vote looked suspect as hell and didn’t want to actively bus. As I said (and you are ignoring) – your initial vote was a gut reaction based on knowning IAI was your scum partner and the re-evaluation was realizing that’s the only reason you would vote. Thus the very awkward distance from it.In post 1038, camn wrote:I got no reaction in between back to back posts?
Why wouldn't I wait for people to.. react.. if I was looking for a quickwagon? Doesn't fly. If I wanted to bus- I would give people some time. This was a real live reconsideration on my part.
Only way pisskop could be scum is if you were Town. And we both know that’s not the case.In post 1038, camn wrote:Except Pisskop might be scum. So if he flips scum.. is this classic: caught one scum, voted other scum? We will see.
Nah he was a lurker the second he replaced. It is why he was so easy to read – he was playing to his scum meta. And the bolded is pure straw-manning of course – as stated above you recognized your vote on IAI was obv and distanced from it an hour later.In post 1038, camn wrote:Aristo was a replacement.. not a lurker. And I know bussing/wifom/whatever.. but I feel like I was reasonably active getting him dead.Also- I was smart enough to "get on board the bus early” with IAI.. but not smart enough to do it with Aristo? I don't think so.
Nope. Having a thought pattern consistent with scum-hunting is Town. Your posts don’t show anything of the sort. They do show, however, scum looking to stage their position on wagons so they look good.In post 1038, camn wrote:Consistency is for scum. Also, this is big words for OMGUS.
Throwing in the OMGUS buzzword here also made me chuckle.
Lol. I mean … that’s all that can be said about this. Any action that could reasonably confirm you as Town would not be subject to “unforeseen turns of Night actions”.In post 1038, camn wrote:The night actions didn't go as I forsaw.
Nah. Again with another attempt to slant the discussion away from what was being said (aka scum play). The fact remains – scum would be the only ones in position to know that flavor analysis could possibly screw them and there aren’t fake-claims. Which is why your initial comment resembles an attempt to pre-empt people flavor hunting. So not a Town tell at all.In post 1038, camn wrote:Here Magna claims that I am scum.. and I know that my partner is Beatrice, as he says- "one of the most Assholish of the people on this list"... AND there are no fake-claims........and then I claimed that flavor likely wouldn't indicate alignment.
By his own logic, saying that flavor won't indicate alignment in this scenario is the one thing scum WOULDN'T say. Its actually a towntell
Of course you could just own up now as to whether you and your partners got any fake-claims and settle the issue."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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tomorrow I pinky promise.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Well, there it is.In post 1047, SpyreX wrote:And see i didnt even get that
But I'll answer I guess... It might help Magna get his head around things too.
I did get upgraded. Night 1. Which came with a roleblock.... Which I guess is why I got to use my Neghborizer again the next night."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2
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