Newbie 1761: Welcome to Mafia (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

PP's hammer was premature, but I'd bet a dollar and a donut that regardless of their alignment their purpose for quickhammering wasn't "to get rid of the cop".

Algebra, I'd still like you to fullclaim.

[Hellfire Missile]

Nacho, also, as an IC, you know what you're doing right, with the hammering and stuff?


So aren't you supposed to tell people that the guy that's gonna get hammered is supposed to claim?

[Hellfire Missile]

Quickhammering is scummy in my viewpoint. Cop didn't even get to defend him self (Yes time was short but yall had a couple hours)

[algebra]

Doc

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: algebra

EoD recommend you claim ASAP to give people the chance to react to your claim if necessary.

I'm still waiting for help in this newbie game re: whether there is a pro-town reason to lynch someone other than your top scumread when your top scumread is on V/LA until after deadline or right before deadline.

Giving someone the opportunity to claim in a semi-open setup is extremely important; there's the chance Deimos could be an investigative role which means that he'd be confirmed town if he wasn't CC'd, and it reduces chances of winning drastically when you lynch the centerpiece of your power D1 and is also a big win for town when they can remove the most significant suspect of the day.

[Nachomamma8]

If I was around when Penguin was thinking of hammering, I would have told them to wait. I wasn't.

[Nachomamma8]

You haven't done anything with my Xnad suspicion yet; can I expect that to change anytime soon?

[PenguinPower]

I'd like to see algebra fullclaim (since there's no reason), but I'm not sure that question is particularly productive - not like algebra really has any way to defend their continued survival.

Right...I was calling it out as suspicious.

[PenguinPower]

Deimos PP should be our main focuses today.

Um....why?

[Nachomamma8]

I'd like to see algebra fullclaim (since there's no reason), but I'm not sure that question is particularly productive - not like algebra really has any way to defend their continued survival.

Right...I was calling it out as suspicious.

What did you think about HM's entry?

[Nachomamma8]

Deimos PP should be our main focuses today.

Um....why?

I could probably answer this one.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Deimos PP should be our main focuses today.

Um....why?

Deimos because he was the scummiest D1 and mort's suspicion, and PP because he quickvoted cop. (I doubt he knew Xnad was cop regardless)

[Nachomamma8]

(probably should have waited for algebra to answer that one)

[Nachomamma8]

Who are your suspects for today? Do you suspect Deimos like everyone else does?

[algebra]

PP share your reads like I told you d1 but you didn't and pounced on the opportunity to quickhammer

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.01

PenguinPower (1) - algebra

Not Voting (6) - Deimos27, Hellfire Missile, Nachomamma8, PenguinPower, SensFan, Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez

With 7 votes in play, it will take 4 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, December 30, 2016, at 3:00 PM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2016-12-30 15:00:00).

[PenguinPower]

PP share your reads like I told you d1 but you didn't and pounced on the opportunity to quickhammer

Sorry, I don't respond well to imperative statements. Especially from suspect slots.

"Pounced on the opportunity to quickhammer" is kinda disingenious given there were about 5 hours till deadline with no alternative wagons. Loving how you escaped without hard claiming, and then the cop died - you probably weren't expecting that. I'm thinking we're in setup B.

[PenguinPower]

Who are your suspects for today? Do you suspect Deimos like everyone else does?

Curious as to why Arc was killed over Mort. Lessens my TR on that slot, but still a TR. algebra not being killed is highly suspect to me. JR/Hellfire is still townish to me. Don't have any reason to think otherwise at this point. I haven't read enough of you yet - given my inactivity - to really form an opinion. That's something I'll remedy early D2.

Don't like Zaraki....possible second scum right now, but not enough to go on yet.

[algebra]

We're actually in the row with doc and roleblocker

[algebra]

Why do you mention the fact that there were no alternative wagons? The issue is you hammered our cop without a claim.

[PenguinPower]

No, the issue is that we were so inactive as a collective, and so unwilling to drive up someone to L-1, that we drove you up and let you go with a soft claim; then, we drove up Jordan with 5 hours remaining. There was not enough time, especially with 2 completely inactive slots, to wait for a claim, discuss an alternative wagon, and then vote said wagon.

Also, drop the "hammered our cop" crap. I hammered someone - who, yes, ended up being the cop - because of the above. No one would have had knowledge of his role pre-flip, so stop with the AtE crap.

Also, forgive me if I don't believe your 593.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Algebra, we had FIVE HOURS. That's not nearly enough to set up a brand spanking new case and act on it. I agree that quicklynching is bad but still... how was he supposed to know that Xnadroj was cop? He was really scummy throughout most of the game, doesn't make sense not to vote him. Although I'm still confused as to what happened to your wagon. Honestly? Deimos is still the scummiest for me but you're getting closer.

PEdit: I believe you penguin. 2 things though.
1. What makes you think I'm scummy?
2. What soft claim saved him? Claiming power role? (Side note why DIDN'T he die?)

[PenguinPower]

1. Super lurking behavior.
2. Exactly. He claimed a PR, but didn't state what it was. If he had hard claimed, he risked being CC'd by someone. He softclaimed, hoping to prevent the lynch, and I'm guessing we didn't press given the time constraints in place. Then, the Cop flips, and he can claim Doc. Since we know there is a cop, we have to be in 2 or B. Scum know which, meaning that if we are in 2, he can safely claim Doc with no CC. The fact that he was a claimed PR and was not killed is extremely suspect.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Oh. I don't post every time I come online, many times I come on to see if someone posted on the thread or just to read and think it over. I don't wanna just log in read something at face-value then post. I like to examine posts and search for scummy behavior. Also remember that Arc flipped vanilla townie so we're likely in B. The question is though, are we 1, 2, or 3? (3 is unlikely but since we've had both a cop flip and a vanilla flip it would be covered by a B... but if it is 3 or 1 algebra is lying.)

[PenguinPower]

Arc's flip doesn't indicate anything about the setup. You are still a super lurker with "opportune" lurking times.

BTW - we can only be in one setup. We are either in B or 2. I think B.