Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

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To give credit where credit is due, AA's hammer wasn't full of really much anything.

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Rainbowdash said Naomi's thing wasn't a slip and Naomi thought Rainbowdash was the smartest pony alive.

Now this might just be me, but buddying up so close an early without much interaction is only town!possible with a mason pair.

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Rainbowdash said Naomi's thing wasn't a slip and Naomi thought Rainbowdash was the smartest pony alive.

Now this might just be me, but buddying up so close an early without much interaction is only town!possible with a mason pair.

After the insanity that was rainbowdash's play I wouldn't leave a scum interaction like this off the table

Well considering Rainbow flipped scum, I'm basically calling Naomi out on it lmao

Guess that wasn't clear

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Man did I wake up to some bullshit lmao

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I'm working on a bigger post right now but first here is something I spotted while going backwards and forwards and just generally trying to look at stuff.

TwoFace and conf!town Grey both thought they caught Naomi in a slip, you can't say it's a scum motivated logic and not the possibility that it's his actual lead.

Naomi also hard defended Rainbow and pushed for Grey, which has been proven to get scum revealed/lynched. So added to that fact, I'm more than willing to lynch Naomi.

It's also good to note that Naomi said she is usually really good at getting reads right, but when she does produce them, she says it in a way that goes like "Hey I think this, but don't trust me, I'm not sure I think it." I'm seeing it as a form of fence sitting so no blame can be attached to her.

The idea came to me to do a mini VA on Grey and report what I see.

I can dig it.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

RVS: Sheepvote, beginning of the game, you can't expect much from anything really.

Anyway, would like to point everyone to my wiki page with an ~30% or so win rate.

VOTE: Ircher

Already making excuses for his poor decisions.

This is still early in the game but it starts a trend I've been following with his voting pattern. Ircher saying he has a low win rate and wanting him lynched sounds like he's pushing for a policy lynch and policy lynches are meant for townies, so to push for one instead of ignoring said townie raises a yellow flag.

I'm not worried about a flash lynch.
I'm just a lot more interested in what Ircher has to say about a Gamma wagon than I am with the players reversed.

Request granted.

VOTE: Gamma

This vote was just a sheep vote, but what I find suspicious about it is that it only took him 15 minutes and one post from HS to say, "I'll go switch my vote because no reason." If Grey actually wanted to pursue a scum read on Ircher, he would have kept his vote on Ircher and pushed him. This vote shows he doesn't actually care who is voted, he just wants someone lynched in general and that's a scum mindset.

Back to my first choice, I've been on Gamma long enough.

VOTE: Ircher

1:22 to 2:39, just a little over an hour and a 40ish posts on the "gamma wagon." That's not "long enough," that's barely any time at all honestly. It didn't allow an actual discussion to form on Gamma. I see the motive as preventing town from actually trying to solve players by forcing the wheel around in circles.

I like 195 and am willing to lend it my vote.

VOTE: Asphodel

It's getting obvious the trend we see in Grey's vote patterns, he's following the wagons onto anyone that has small case being built onto them. He doesn't actually hold opinions of his own and, to funnily enough quote Alisae, is voting without conviction. The difference here is that he does this too many times for it to be a reaction test, he just fence sits and hops onto any opportunity to mislynch that he can get.

BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?

What's with the lynchbait paranoia?

It's like you're afraid of getting on the wrong wagon.

VOTE: Alisae

This is actually hindsight talking but the personality traits and voting patterns I see with Alisae is that 1) She is extra careful with her vote and uses it as if it's a loaded gun instead of a tool in the fashion that say, I would use it in; and 2) She strongly believes in having a case built up before voting someone, ergo all that and you get an understandable reason that Alisae simply won't vote TF because instead, she is taking the time to figure out all the possibilities.

What I don't like about the vote is that i'm reading it as Grey is trying to rush Alisae into voting and get her flustered/manipulate her to vote anyone or just cause chaos instead of game solving.

given that Reds have no day talk

How do you know this?

its not in the rules so Im assuming.

"given" is not an assumption, it's a statement of fact.

VOTE: Naomi

You slipped hard.

This is arguing semantics and honestly it's an opportunistic vote. What Grey doesn't do here is look at Naomi at a whole, doesn't look at any possible scum motives or any of that to back up a possible lead. He just found something small he can pick up on and try to build a case but it's a hallow case at best because it's not actually a slip.

So, Gamma is voting me for voting Naomi over a slip, but completely ignoring 2F who is not only sheeping my push but advancing with it after Gamma stated in thread that he doesn't believe it's a slip.

Town Gamma would have picked up on 2F continuing to push what he considers a non-slip and voted him.

Possible Gamma/2F team. (I read 2F as possible scum for other reasons)

VOTE: Gamma

I'm trying to dissect this post and what it's saying:
He says Gamma votes him because Gamma believes it's a non-slip but in reality, he should be voting Gamma should vote TF because TF agreed.

My interpretation is that Grey isn't actually fighting Gamma's response to him, he's attacking the player and not the argument which I find to be a scum tell. Another factor is that Grey is trying to push the blame for the slip onto TF and have Gamma focus on someone else that's not him but it backfired.

Since Gamma claimed Ascetic Enabler, any "no results" results should be insta-lynched because the ascetic(s) is/are scum hiding behind the role.

I'm happy returning to my previous vote.

VOTE: Naomi

The last vote is simple, he is caught with his pants down so he'll continue to push this "scum slip" instead of actually providing a case onto how Naomi is actually scum. I don't see any actual work by Grey trying to actually determine if a player is scum, I'm seeing him go after each opportunity and voting based on the trends on who is wagonable at the time.


I'd vote Grey but I'm going to sleep in an an hour or two so it'd be a waste but expect it when I wake up.

This is inconsistent.

There is literally a 1000 post difference in which each statement was said.

You a gymnast; because damn are you trying to stretch this case?

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UNVOTE:


I like the wall

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A case is an accusation sweet pea. I called it stupid.

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Anyways, I'm like Naomi again.

I haven't heard or sorry if I missed it, but Asphodel's or Flubbs scumreads


P-Edit: You are literally working up a case on me making a joke calling something bullshit. In that post you didn't say you realized it was wrong, I just quoted that one post when I saw it.

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I know those late night case feelings lol

Ali gave me shit for it last night

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Can we get a vote count lovely?

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Wow that's insane.

So thoughts on Flubbs and Asphodel?

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Get sleep, days last 2 weeks, get rest and post with your mind at 100%

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So in other words, you have no clue why my slip was even a slip so you vote for me instead of the person KNOWS ABOUT THE DAYCHAT STATUS OF THIS GAME

She knows the day chat status of the game?

We haven't had an encryptor flip or host telling us otherwise?

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What was scum claim?

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So it's a scum claim because he doesn't actually care if they're town or not, he just wants them lynched?

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Makes sense.

Also, ya'll were saying SK isn't scum?

I'm guess its this sites terminology difference but I'm assuming scum means only mafia in this case?

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I dont want to vote right now. I'm not a jumpy voter Ali, if that bothers you, I'm sorry.

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Mod I'm on Flubber you counted me twice

you saw nothing

lmfao

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Human, I'm forgetting who you think is scum

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Every time I don't follow my gut I end up making a huge mistake. (I FUCKED UP AS AN IC IN LYLO AND I HAD THE SCUM NAILED FIRST POST HE POSTED GAHHHHHHHHH!) Right now my little tail is wiggling at the mention of flubbs.

VOTE: Flubbs


That's a hammer

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SWEET FUCKING CHRIST MARIE

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Fuck it whatever, still think he's scum

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He's at L-1

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Anyone up for a policy lynch on AA next day?

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That or explain the lolhammer and why it's been done twice

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You're hammered flubbs

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I HAD A FUCKING LIFE DURING THE FUCKING NEW YEAR THAT'S NOT GIVING UP YOU FUCKING MORON

#DeadlinesRaThingForAreason

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I'm thinking scum now or he would have said his role

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Ya know, it's an honor to be killed N2. Is there a dead thread? If so can I haz?

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I don't know if I liked the set up because, since I've never seen any of these roles, I was seriously confused by the set up and didn't know what to do lol

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This game was so weird considering you could be right about lynching scum but still be scum.

I mean it was an SK who I called out as scum but was SK and that could have been seen as pushing a mislynch

Then TwoFace who legit pushed scum without his knowledge.

It was like a 1v1v2 lol

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As a traitor, you have the ability to join your faction and make yourself known lol

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How is that pro-scum?