Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could

it's totally real

[cassielle]

if -grey- is scum my favorite scumpartner is mbg

certain degree of separation there (lack of serious questioning, not much attempt to understand motivations), helpful tone, nulltown-ish reads, etc

all of which is just as easily explained by -grey- playing town which makes mbg's alignment unreadable from that. but thats who id pick for a -grey- scumbuddy, gun to my head

because i dont see a schadd_+-grey- team (-grey- was fully prepared to lynch schadd_ right there with initially little weight on that wagon) and most other players are too involved with -grey- for it to feel like scumpartners, theres no attempt at distancing from either side in any other discussion involving -grey- afaict

and do keep in mind this is a really loaded view to get this particular tidbit out, nothing falls out of the ISO. do not need to be violently discorporated and hammered into the earth today please

[Raskolnikov]

giga talk more about that rc/cass thingo you apparently think is scum

[schadd_]

Spoiler: quote

I did some digging and it would be insanely uncharacteristic of Grey to replace in and hard bus a scumbuddy.

So what would be characteristic?
Even though you can't bring up examples, you could still summarize it right?

I don't bus.

It's a stupid tactic that is overused when a little dancing could avoid a scum lynch 99% of the time.

that's not real

Your face isn't real.

my avatar has 3 faces and yours only has 1

[-Grey-]

certain degree of separation there (lack of serious questioning, not much attempt to understand motivations), helpful tone, nulltown-ish reads, etc

This is bullshit.

I spent a good portion of the day suspecting him, and never had him anywhere in the same vicinity of any read that had town anywhere in it.

Straight "null" was the highest he ever got in my reads, and he was a scumread for quite a while.

[cassielle]

i was keeping both sides in mind when typing that but ok my bad apologies sorry

[-Grey-]

certain degree of separation there (lack of serious questioning, not much attempt to understand motivations), helpful tone, nulltown-ish reads, etc

This is bullshit.

I spent a good portion of the day suspecting him, and never had him anywhere in the same vicinity of any read that had town anywhere in it.

Straight "null" was the highest he ever got in my reads, and he was a scumread for quite a while.

And I know Cass already knows all this, because she spent d1 defending mbg from me.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

giga talk more about that rc/cass thingo you apparently think is scum

it's kind of at the point where it's more "lol poe" than it is actual read

rc's hammer in 921 and me not really jiving with his logic when he explained it just gives me flashbacks to my newbie where he talked me out of pushing for a NL in a 6 player mylo with a claimed, un-shot BP because he was totally going to get nk'd and no one would listen to his reads (despite the fact that i was basically his and kraska's lapdog that game because i didn't really know how to alignment read that well) and i just kind of lapped it up

like i said i want to call bullshit on rc thinking that he could possibly be the N1 kill after you claimed making his hammer pointless when i needed more time (basically to make sure i wasn't like this during D2), which makes me think scum motivation

scum motivation makes me think casielle partner because i'm not that hard of a ml to pull off in general and i think rc could totally pull that off after doing something "obviously scummy" just because of how he was in our newbie. a townflip from me would force him to "re-evaulate" or hardbus casielle but it'd still be LYLO.

it's a slightly more difficult path to take if he lynches casielle!partner but i think it'd still work in his favor

but tbh he's been kind of (kind of) towntelling so at this point i'm just throwing my hands in the air and trying to restart entirely

[Creature]

Players that completely ignore any other player are so sad.

[mattblackguy]

And I know Cass already knows all this, because she spent d1 defending mbg from me.

And when was this? I defended myself, and I don't remember Cass ever defending me.

[mattblackguy]

I really don't think RC/Cass can be the scum team. Why would RC bus Cass so hard, and ask Rask to track him? He would basically lose after Rask tracks him so how can they be scum partners?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

would rask actually track RC after he says that?

it's a load of wifom but i think if i didn't pull the discussion that way it would have worked

[Raskolnikov]

We could find out.

[cassielle]

i doublechecked just to make absolutely sure and im wrong null-scum-ish ok, i misremembered mbg townreading you at some point -grey- and thats where the nullTOWNish thing came from because i was talking about both of you and trying to average the reads out (hence the -ish)

jeez sorry

[Raskolnikov]

cassiopeia who should i lynch instead of you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that requires a casielle lynch and a casielle scumflip

like it's the scumflip i'm the most confident on atm but i actually want to like

re-evaluate

[Raskolnikov]

that requires a casielle lynch and a casielle scumflip

like it's the scumflip i'm the most confident on atm but i actually want to like

re-evaluate

well let me know when you do that

we have 12 days

[-Grey-]

And I know Cass already knows all this, because she spent d1 defending mbg from me.

And when was this? I defended myself, and I don't remember Cass ever defending me.

True, my bad. I blame my shitty memory.

[cassielle]

rask idfk tbph

my best, absolute best scumread is schadd_

and its apparently trash

go for the ml if you will at least use the fact that i flipped town as a chance to really recheck those reads, im beyond thinking i can get myself out of it at this point

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that requires a casielle lynch and a casielle scumflip

like it's the scumflip i'm the most confident on atm but i actually want to like

re-evaluate

well let me know when you do that

we have 12 days

give me like 4-7 days to recuperate and then i'll (probably) be at it again with 15 posts per minute again

and then actually reread the game

rask idfk tbph

my best, absolute best scumread is schadd_

and its apparently trash

go for the ml if you will at least use the fact that i flipped town as a chance to really recheck those reads, im beyond thinking i can get myself out of it at this point

there's always a shot tbh i get it can be demoralizing but idk

i say this regardless of alignment and from a "hey-this-is-the-newbie-queue" perspective

[Raskolnikov]

cass where did you play before again?

[Raskolnikov]

im not so sure on my schadd read myself anymore tbh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

im not so sure on my schadd read myself anymore tbh

really? i feel the opposite way

[cassielle]

@gbT: its not so much being demoralized as recognizing that if the wagon shifts elsewhere, it will not be because of my own actions. it will be other people shifting their opinions and thats not something i can control other than keeping that ml a constant reminder. i dont really have any defense of myself that i havent offered already, i have no role of note, i have no good reads that are worth having around; im an easy lynch whos widely scumread and my reads are so weak that the chances of getting someone to say "hey that looks good" are minimal to nil

@rask: it was an old site thats gone toxic and awful and i dont really want to talk about it because it was a pretty bad split. i burned a lot of bridges with my final exit and dont want anyone being like "I REMEMBER YOU"

i will say however that it wasnt a mafia-focused site in the least, the meta was mellow (so i got lynched a lot on d1 as town and coasted as scum). i dont consider myself a noob to mafia despite that; just a noob at this site

[Raskolnikov]

it's okay I'm probably going to lynch someone else