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Hear hearIn post 167, KainTepes wrote:
i am ACTUALLY FROM THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL HAIL QUEEN PRESIDENT DONALD ELIZABETH TRUMPIn post 164, Davsto wrote:
Oy matey don't get yer knickers in a twist but you ain't the only Brit hereIn post 131, KainTepes wrote:NOBODY IS BRITTISH HERE THOUGH???
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ugh too many bars.In post 228, Narna wrote:I think Dreal is being thrown by KT's aggressiveness. I think it would be really smart to share some of our answers. Like I actually wonder if we can figure out if the game is multiball through the votes.-
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In post 224, Narna wrote:KT, if you tell me your answer to "if you can drive cars", "do you have a job", and "what's your greatest weakness", I'll give you my preferred alignment for the game.-
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I'm trying to get the ball rolling. Lane didn't really engage rvs at all, and he enters the game trying to break rvs by questioning something that didn't seem alignment indicative to me. Dreal's bit on Frank, and KT's question seem like more genuine attempts to break rvs here.In post 238, ɀefiend wrote:Even though it might have been the first non-RVS post made in the game? Someone's gotta get the ball rolling right?
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I wanted to beIn post 239, KainTepes wrote:
ok i don't mind,,In post 237, Narna wrote:In post 224, Narna wrote:KT, if you tell me your answer to "if you can drive cars", "do you have a job", and "what's your greatest weakness", I'll give you my preferred alignment for the game.
"cars" = no,
"job" = no,
"what's your greatest weakness" = i am kain tepes...........
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If revealing shit turns out to be bad for town, it would implicate KT and I think that more likely than not, it would help solve the gamestate down the line. If revealing stuff doesn't effect the game much at all, then it may force scum into lying more. However, given the mod gave a warning about revealing your answers, I don't blame you for being cautious.In post 241, drealmerz7 wrote:
I'm reluctant to assume revealing my answer does town any goodIn post 233, KainTepes wrote:because you are reluctant to reveal your answer,, and insistent on scumreading me for asking this question, and i dont think you have a good reason for trying to stop people from answering my question
I'm not soley SRing because you ask the question, and you simplifying it as such as a way to dismiss the validity of my concerns is even more telling
my reasons are pro-town cautionary
and itseems like you're zoooming as fast as you can to get whatever you can before my CAUTIONARY influence is heeded at all (and you try to discredit my influence at the same time, of course)
people can always reveal in time to come, they can never take it back
do you see my concern?
also, it seems odd that you'd reveal you had such a role too, or that there'd even been one
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The only thing that was pinging me about Dreal was
which you didn't quoteIn post 241, drealmerz7 wrote:also, it seems odd that you'd reveal you had such a role too, or that there'd even been one
pedit: I see what you're saying on the first post. The second is iffy just because everyone discredits qtepes.-
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Are you suggesting KT wouldn't do that? Or are you shading me?In post 255, Aristophanes wrote:Ah, classic redacted reasoning.
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I read 255 as being completely sarcastic.In post 264, Aristophanes wrote:
I wasn't intentionally shading if that's how it seemed...In post 257, Narna wrote:
Are you suggesting KT wouldn't do that? Or are you shading me?In post 255, Aristophanes wrote:Ah, classic redacted reasoning.
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Both of those votes that Dreal questioned were naked votes, and it seemed pretty apparent he was trying to get more than that out of people. The mcmenno association seems like a safe misrep to get a response and seem like you're scumhunting. The rvs thing was poorly thought out, and pretending to scumhunt fits better than "breaking rvs" considering KT and Dreal's serious posting was just before yours. My bad there, but the point is still pretty much that the question falsely associates Dreal with Mcmenno.In post 274, lane0168 wrote:
What is busy about it? You're quick on that I think. One post asking a legitimate question. Can you think of any reasons someone might accidentally pay more attention to votes on one person as opposed to another? You say I enter trying to break rvs. How well do you think town does if rvs never ends? I engaged rvs. I voted mcmenno. Then I saw something that interested me. Why don't you go look at the posts before and after my question, then tell me when rvs ended. Your accusation doesn't make sense on many levels. You might even call it busy work.In post 240, Narna wrote:
I'm trying to get the ball rolling. Lane didn't really engage rvs at all, and he enters the game trying to break rvs by questioning something that didn't seem alignment indicative to me. Dreal's bit on Frank, and KT's question seem like more genuine attempts to break rvs here.In post 238, ɀefiend wrote:Even though it might have been the first non-RVS post made in the game? Someone's gotta get the ball rolling right?
Who else is on your suspicion list that didn't really engage in rvs? Are kt and dreal on your list for trying to break rvs? Like you said I was doing?
I wasn't a fan of Snarky's "hurr modvote" or Frank's first joke from rvs. I mentioned that KT and Dreal's attempts at breaking rvs seemed genuine in the post you quoted.-
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Fair point, I didn't really want to start a huge rvs debate in rvs. Taking rvs too seriously comes from town and scum, and the questions seemed null coming from Dreal.In post 277, lane0168 wrote:I'm also noting nama calling my question busy work, but dreals questioning rvs votes on mcmenno is not mentioned.
One of them takes actual observation. One of them is about as easy as it gets
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I was doing dealings with the KAIN TEPES and being dramatic, yes. Answering scum in general has me implying that I didn't get what I asked for. I'm curious why your questions need to be loaded like this.In post 281, lane0168 wrote:
Were you trying to be dramatic? Or did you hope if you put in caps like that people might think you were being jokey and not think you got what you asked for? I'm curious why you wrote it like thatIn post 242, Narna wrote:
I wanted to beIn post 239, KainTepes wrote:
ok i don't mind,,In post 237, Narna wrote:In post 224, Narna wrote:KT, if you tell me your answer to "if you can drive cars", "do you have a job", and "what's your greatest weakness", I'll give you my preferred alignment for the game.
"cars" = no,
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If you do something that has an anti town result, you're likely to be implicated. Would you be suspicious of people who lead a mislynch? Of course the results alone don't determine everything. I used "implicate" for a reason, and you are putting words in my mouth.In post 278, lane0168 wrote:
If revealing turns out to be bad for town, how does that implicate KainTepes? Either is AI or NAI. You can't decide that after the fact, because scum or town could ask about it. The results don't determine KainTepes alignment, unless you can convince me otherwise right now.In post 244, Narna wrote:
If revealing shit turns out to be bad for town, it would implicate KT and I think that more likely than not, it would help solve the gamestate down the line. If revealing stuff doesn't effect the game much at all, then it may force scum into lying more. However, given the mod gave a warning about revealing your answers, I don't blame you for being cautious.In post 241, drealmerz7 wrote:
I'm reluctant to assume revealing my answer does town any goodIn post 233, KainTepes wrote:because you are reluctant to reveal your answer,, and insistent on scumreading me for asking this question, and i dont think you have a good reason for trying to stop people from answering my question
I'm not soley SRing because you ask the question, and you simplifying it as such as a way to dismiss the validity of my concerns is even more telling
my reasons are pro-town cautionary
and itseems like you're zoooming as fast as you can to get whatever you can before my CAUTIONARY influence is heeded at all (and you try to discredit my influence at the same time, of course)
people can always reveal in time to come, they can never take it back
do you see my concern?
also, it seems odd that you'd reveal you had such a role too, or that there'd even been one
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I'm thinking Davsto v Dreal is tvt
I'm not sold on Davsto's case on Dreal since Lane is twisting words. I see frustrated town make defenses like Dreal's. However, I agree with pretty much everything in #358.
Lane condenses 3 decent sized posts into like 6 sentences, and ignores some of Dreal's other posts around the time that give context in #361 to load the ever living crap out of the question he asks. The question itself was just going to make Dreal repeat himself (buzzword work) which only makes the game harder to read. He then ends the post on a cute little observation that can't really be disputed, and claims to be arguing on facts. That push is shady. I'm more comfortable with my Lane scumread now.
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I broke my phone. I just got a new one, so I should be able to catch up slowly tonight. I'm kind of busy.
I like this, a lot. I could compromise on Desperado if Lane is a no go. You kind of skirt around your Lane read here, is he off the table for you this phase?In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:I read everything that happened, and here's my takeaway. Long-ish post ahead. TL;DR to follow.
lane and Davsto are very logical players. I don't have game experience with lane but from the way he posts it's obvious. I do agree that with Narna that lane asks someveryleading questions at times, but I don't find this AI in and of itself. As for Davsto, I do have some game experience and I also read the entire Donald Trump thread in GD. The two of them are clashing heavily with drealmerz because he's a very emotional player. Technically I don't have game "experience" with him but you don't even need that to conclude that drealmerz is an AtE type-of-guy. I think drealmerz position about not answering is defensible when you consider that KainTepes himself reflects on drealmerz' perspective. (Side note: I think KainTepes is Town. Even if (s)he's not, (s)he's locked himself into a softclaim revolving around the questionnaire. That should be easy to expose later on in the game.) However, I dislike drealmerz' style of dealing with pressure if he is indeed Town. He doesn't even attempt to answer some basic questions and also relies on WIFOM defenses which I absolutely detest. Enough about drealmerz, though. Of all the votes on him, I actually think Aristophanes' is the most suspicious, soIGMEOY.
My top scum-read is actually Desperado. He earned my pseudo-placeholder vote for this post:
My thoughts concern the second part Re: McMenno. Note that Narna's request was for Desperado to point out things about McMenno's posts that had scum motivation. However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that aIn post 263, Desperado wrote:
Could be ya.In post 261, Narna wrote:Is Lane town?
Faking the PR; no meaningful response to his wagon; no thoughts on dreal responding to his wagon for him.Find scum intent in mcmeemo posting.lackof specific posting from McMenno is scummy. (The PR thing is up in the air, since we are talking about "McMeme-o" after all. I'm not going to digress to argue the strength of this reason.) McMenno didn't have a meaningful response to his wagon, but neither did Davsto, and Davsto's was bigger. The last reason is misapplied to the actual situation, so I cannot discern whether it is bogus scum reasoning or an honest mistake. However, I can explain the misapplication. Drealmerz wasn't responding to the McMenno wagonper se, he was responding to Lane questioning him about hisownconcern for the wagon.-
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It's mostly his take on Desperado's 263, particularly the last sentence. Desperado was reaching. The first part was to ask him,In post 575, Azral wrote:The town ponders the use of minimalism as a narrative device in game posts.
No idea what anyone would like about that zefiend post.In post 576, ɀefiend wrote:I noticed a few people had questions for me so I'm gonna read up now.In post 572, Narna wrote:You kind of skirt around your Lane read here, is he off the table for you this phase?-
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Just look at Lane twist Desp's shit in here
Does my vote still blow? This is such a scummy way to push people.In post 591, lane0168 wrote:
"why aren't you guys voting dreal lane or davsto"In post 589, Desperado wrote:OK, 489 is two days old and absolutely nothing has changed. We have five days.
@ Azral, KainTepes, zefriend, dreal, Gamma:
Why aren't you voting one of dreal/lane/davsto? Your wagon/non vote is doing nothing but you also aren't doing anything to diffuse the leading wagons.
@ Davsto, lane
Seriously, stop voting dreal. Look elsewhere.
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Your lane vote blows and you've offered two alternatives "if lane doesn't have any takers." Well, we're here.
"why are you guys voting dreal"
... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.
What's id lynch Frank for his bs case on me. And I'd vote Narna if it was worth it.
But I'm staying in dreal, because I'm not voting davsto, and I'm not voting myself. Like you said. 5 days
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I think it's likely before the game settled into it's present state, yes.In post 602, Desperado wrote:does this really strike you as a game where scum are concerned about looking busy???-
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Lookie me, I'm ignoring the stalled gamestate to throw shade on my own townread.In post 591, lane0168 wrote:In post 589, Desperado wrote:OK, 489 is two days old and absolutely nothing has changed. We have five days.
@ Azral, KainTepes, zefriend, dreal, Gamma:
Why aren't you voting one of dreal/lane/davsto? Your wagon/non vote is doing nothing but you also aren't doing anything to diffuse the leading wagons.
@ Davsto, lane
Seriously, stop voting dreal. Look elsewhere.
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Your lane vote blows and you've offered two alternatives "if lane doesn't have any takers." Well, we're here."why aren't you guys voting dreal lane or davsto"
"why are you guys voting dreal"
... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.
What's id lynch Frank for his bs case on me. And I'd vote Narna if it was worth it.
But I'm staying in dreal, because I'm not voting davsto, and I'm not voting myself. Like you said. 5 days-
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It's mostly gut, but I don't see much scumhunting in your posting. You're playing overly safe.In post 610, Aristophanes wrote:
What is making the Ping?In post 604, Narna wrote:Ari posts continue to ping me something fierce.-
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Why does he need to twist your words, "why are you guys voting Dreal" to ask a question about a misunderstanding? The only way I see someone missing the point of 589 is if they are ignorant of who is on the leading wagons. Considering he and his vote are a part of the leading wagons you asked about, I don't buy it.-
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In post 591, lane0168 wrote:"why are you guys voting dreal"
"why are you guys voting Dreal" is not what you said, hello?In post 591, lane0168 wrote:... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.-
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I wonder if this has anything to do with the lack of cohesion this game. Do you know how many people answered tp?In post 716, McMenno wrote:also you guys sure like being third parties looooooooool-
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On top of liking them last phase, I'm buying Zefiend and Frank's claims. It makes sense given the game and my own role. Snarky's claim fits with the alignment question answers, but it's still a crackhead claim. I'm lowkey suspicious of the mason claim since that exact same claim could have come from the mcmenno/ari vig survivors. Thankfully, Desp and Davsto have looked pretty townie recently. KT is mostly iioa and a push on the sk. KT's late Lane vote was kinda pointless, and I fear it could have been a subtle buddying attempt on me. Azral's claim is the main reason he's so low. I like most of his content minus the Zef scumread. Alisae's claim is dubious since it's the only investigative unrelated to the questionnaire. Who did you watch last night? The Zefiend vote was opportunistic. The way Ali jokes about Snarky's role as if he doesn't believe the claim in #861 while voting for the guy who faked a guilty on Snarky is not settling well with me either.
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Why ever could the mason claim not be confirm town? I wonder...In post 712, Aristophanes wrote:Also, Mason claim would have been brilliant-
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It would be a pretty shitty groupscum kill, but there are potentially a fuckton of third party in this game. If you only have the one shot like Ari, then I think locking down a mason claim with it would be solid. This compounds with Desperado pushing for the massclaim which makes the masonry a lower priority nk target. You two still seem town from your play, but this isn't the game to treat masons as confirm town.In post 966, Davsto wrote:So how do you explain my vig shot in general
Not to mention why would I, as scum, shoot a survivor, who was all but destined to be lynched the next day, distracting from scum for a further day? That would be a terrible choice.-
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Crazy thought, let's use what Gamma told us about wanting third party and my info to lynch the awkward watcher claim who never gets to play third party. The mod warned about outing survey answers needlessly for a reason. Knowing how many people wanted their preferred role can be quite game breaking if people out what alignment they wanted, and more than likely got it.
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