(NSFW) Mini 1882 - TPTG Mafia 1.5: The Fappening (NoWins)

[podoboq]

no read on me pod?

Most of what I have on you is setup related. Stay tuned.

I think the reads you shared in 117 were good.

[podoboq]

pretty worried that this setup is broken though. :/

This game is HILARIOUSLY balanced...maybe. Just assume it is.

Your god has spoken.

[Gorkington]

i mean. its overall an open setup. and im really struggling to see how certain aspects of it arent possible to abuse to the detriment of town in a really really terrible way.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So back from V/LA …

First thing I want to address is the fact that there are elements of the set-up that are greatly being under-discussed. Let’s look at those elements –

Each new day, the Orgy starts anew. Any Lovers are treated as a single slot for the purposes of Orgy Mechanic, although only the first player involved in a Get Kinky request will count for the Off-Limits check. IE Player A and B are lovers, and Player C requests to Get Kinky with Player B. Even if Player A isn't compatible with Player C, this would still work.

Each day phase will start with an odd-number of players. If at any time this cannot be accomplished, the Town will win.

Let’s address the second part first. Given the game starts with an odd number of players as long as we don’t lose multiple players to “not getting Kinky” in a phrase any permanent Lovers Sets of 2 are basically immune to Nightkill. If you have any questions as to why please ask but the upshots of this are as follows –

1. If the day begins on Odds numbers anyone choosing to try to expand a Lovers group of 2 will be treated as claiming scum.

This is bolded because it is of paramount importance everyone sees it and any “Oh, I didn’t know” posting is to be summarily ignored.

2. Any Town player lost to lack of “Getting Kinky” should very, very carefully choose what pairings they want to be made permanent. Given the possibilities Town has to be diligent and keep player numbers on Odds these Lover Twosomes can effectively become BP Townblocks and help direct how the game progresses safely without fear of Nightkills. Scum players making a “Book of Love” choice should have the choice considered WIFOM and basically little stock being put in the choice until such point that it is possible for Lover’s Pairs to be Nightkilled by scum.

Anyone who objects needs to pipe up right away.

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Now on to my review of the thread –

@ThinkBig

– Any reason you immediately went Kinky in the first post without so much as any fore-play at all?

DGB is probably Town. I know that “Thanks God I’m Town” may draw some attention as LAMIST or forced but I expect it from Town DGB given her recent run on MS.

@Rach

– I’d love to PT with you given your posting so far this game but I am NOT going to ask you. Sorry but the whole Fifty Shades of Grey thing is so played out and vanilla these days. Suburban Soccer Moms are all about safe-words and bondage. Leaves me totally sans hard-on.


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I was thinking we might "elect" a townread who then gets to select someone of their choice to partner up with. The partner then selects someone for the second pair and so on until only one person is left.

How do you think this is any more likely to force scum to miss pairing up at all? And given that Off Limits Kinks probably submarines any plan that doesn’t take them into account I’m truly puzzled.

outing off-limits will only give scum the opportunity to manipulate things. I'm not a big fan of that.

This also makes no sense to me in context of your “Let’s elect and pair up” plan which makes me feel it has the makings of posturing rather than honest Town posting.

I'm very interested in hearing how you're expecting scum to die if we're not going to agree on who is going to be unselected.

Given my opening post I’ve very curious how you don’t seem the potential for Town to win the game with carefully selected Town-Town BP immune lovers who box scum down into losing by keeping the number of living players at Odds at the start of each day.

I have actually. I don't see the problem.

Clearly you haven’t read and considered carefully. Why not?

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Scum can't possibly have any compatible pairings within themselves, because if they did, they'd just auto-win by pairing with eachother every day.

And here is my first scum read for piss-poor mechanical assessment of the set-up. And for 165 which is weak use of meta and feels like scum knowing Dram is town and looking for an easy reason to call him that.

Also for 169. If I could vote it would be here.

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hi fresh did you roll scum with thinkbig?

Elaborate. Curious the line of logic that gets you to this …

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Fucking hell.

I have some serious catching up to do.

Here’s my second early scum-read. 6 pages is not something that requires “Serious catching up” given that there is a ton of RP fluffery going on.

Nn30 gets a similar mild scum read for 152.

[Gorkington]

everything about fresh/thinkbig interactions scream "no this isnt real". fresh is asking for people to partner with him. thinkbig says "lol okay" for basically no reason when fresh has done nothing. fresh responds by saying "hmmmm well yes hm yes i am trying to sort you definitely hmmm".

[Gorkington]

you also have that thinkbig doesnt even respond and fresh drops it entirely. and that fresh's response to being pushed about it is really weird and defensive. but i mean.

[dramonic]

Hi, I'm speaking up about your poor assessment of certain aspects of the setup MoI!~

i mean. its overall an open setup. and im really struggling to see how certain aspects of it arent possible to abuse to the detriment of town in a really really terrible way.

Then look harder.

[MagnaofIllusion]

everything about fresh/thinkbig interactions scream "no this isnt real". fresh is asking for people to partner with him. thinkbig says "lol okay" for basically no reason when fresh has done nothing. fresh responds by saying "hmmmm well yes hm yes i am trying to sort you definitely hmmm".

Meh. The only way that works is if they are both Scum and know that Fresh can't "Get Kinky" with ThinkBig due to Off-Limit kinks. Or scum don't have Daytalk which the very Nightless nature of the game I think disproves.

[podoboq]

Scum can't possibly have any compatible pairings within themselves, because if they did, they'd just auto-win by pairing with eachother every day.

And here is my first scum read for piss-poor mechanical assessment of the set-up.

If scum can pair within themselves, then at the very least they can force a draw, since they can never be "lynched" and I assume their night-kill is non-mandatory.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hi, I'm speaking up about your poor assessment of certain aspects of the setup MoI!~

Until I see some reasoning I'll just assume you are flapping your beak to be you ...

[dramonic]

You guys are apparently completely ignoring the fact that lover pairs that are commited with the book of love need to commit extra-marital kinky stuff every day or they

both

die.

[MagnaofIllusion]

If scum can pair within themselves, then at the very least they can force a draw, since they can never be "lynched" and I assume their night-kill is non-mandatory.

So two assumptions you have no reason to make given the set-up ...

[dramonic]

being bonded isn't a free-pass. If the couple doesn't get kinky in a day everyone in the couple dies. They count as a

solo

player.
Please read the rules properly before you spout nonsense <3

[dramonic]

If scum can pair within themselves, then at the very least they can force a draw, since they can never be "lynched" and I assume their night-kill is non-mandatory.

So two assumptions you have no reason to make given the set-up ...

Someone dies D1 -> bonded pair
someone dies N1 -> 11p including a bonded pair
2 people dies D2 and the bonded pair becomes a trio -> 3p + 5x 1p + 3 scum most likely.
If scumkill is mandatory they lose at that point.

Just stop Magna.

[dramonic]

3x 1p not 5x 1p
point stands.

[Gorkington]

im probably not understanding how this is going to cascade forward.

[podoboq]

Scum will name a player to be killed, and the night phase will be resolved immediately. Dawn will begin.

Will the lover of this night-kill not ALSO die (regardless of whether or not they were made permanent)? They're lovers until the next day, right?

[MagnaofIllusion]

being bonded isn't a free-pass. If the couple doesn't get kinky in a day everyone in the couple dies. They count as a solo player.
Please read the rules properly before you spout nonsense <3

The last player who has no one to Get Kinky Wit-It will be lynched, and their alignment flipped. If there are multiple players, a second chance will be given. If there are still multiple players after this, they will all be lynched.

The lynched player will get to hand out the Book of Love to one of the Lover groups. Those Lovers will be made permanent. This will happen during Twilight.

Each new day, the Orgy starts anew.

Any Lovers are treated as a single slot for the purposes of Orgy Mechanic

, although only the first player involved in a Get Kinky request will count for the Off-Limits check. IE Player A and B are lovers, and Player C requests to Get Kinky with Player B. Even if Player A isn't compatible with Player C, this would still work.

I don’t see anything specifying that Book of Lover players aren’t already considered as “Getting Kinky” with their permanent lover.

Since the Mods say they will not answer directly I'm sending a PM now ...

[dramonic]

No, non-permanent lovers break up at night start.
That's ALSO in the opening post.

[Gorkington]

Meh. The only way that works is if they are both Scum and know that Fresh can't "Get Kinky" with ThinkBig due to Off-Limit kinks. Or scum don't have Daytalk which the very Nightless nature of the game I think disproves.

this is assuming that scum arent willing to partner and also assuming that even if its not optimal for scum to partner that thinkbig might not have realized that it was not optimal. assuming that scum are "too good" to do something is pretty limiting. and thinkbig is like really really realllllllly likely scum as things stand.

[podoboq]

And for 165 which is weak use of meta and feels like scum knowing Dram is town and looking for an easy reason to call him that.

dramonic: He's playing exactly like he was in Musical Mafia, and despite snapping me up as a lover, he's not attempting to buddy me. He's insulting my bad ideas to my face.

[dramonic]

No, non-permanent lovers break up at night start.
That's ALSO in the opening post.

nvm that part was a mod exchange. Albeit a really obvious one.

[God of Power Outlets]

Mod Note: As this question has come up frequently it is worth mentioning. A pair who is made permanent after Day 1 will be treated as a single playerslot for the purposes of the Orgy Mechanic. For example, Player A and B enter Day 2 as a permanent pair. They are a single playerslot for the Orgy, and if they don't Get Kinky with another player they are the day's lynch. They, like everyone else, would only have one opportunity to ask another player to group up.

Any lovers not made permanent break up at the conclusion of the Day phase.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Someone dies D1 -> bonded pair
someone dies N1 -> 11p including a bonded pair
2 people dies D2 and the bonded pair becomes a trio -> 3p + 5x 1p + 3 scum most likely.
If scumkill is mandatory they lose at that point.

Just stop Magna.

Nah.

If your Day 2 theory holds up then we have the following situation ...

After the Nightkill we go into Day 2 with 11 players ... 1 permanent pair and 9 other players. Someone making the pair a threesome leaves 8 players left. So either ...

1. All 8 players match up into 4 twosomes and we have 11 players going into night with NO Book of Love handed out due to no lynch. In that case the threesome does not get made permanent and scum are free to shoot the two-some resulting in 9 players Day 3.
2. Multiple players don't match. In which case we have an even number of players being lynched resulting in multiple players handing out Books of love meaning scum have at least one twosome to shoot for to being Day 3 on Odds.

So no "Scum automatically lose" scenario that makes the Nightkill not compulsory.

[shos]

I haven't read this page fully, just saying I kind ahave tp go

V/LA until friday.