Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

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Votecount 2.1

Votecount 2.1

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] hapahauli
[1] MagnaofIllusion - Elena Fisher
[0] Hiraki
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[0] Sesq
[0] nebula
[0] Music Box
[2] Elena Fisher - hapahauli, BlueBloodedToffee
[1] Hawk - Hiraki

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: Lil Uzi Vert, MagnaofIllusion, Riley Cake, Toto, Sesq, nebula, Music Box, Hawk

12 players are alive, therefore 7 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-27 12:20:00)

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, can you show me where Nebula is calling Toto scummy after claiming they're bad town?

No, I can’t. I can show you how Nebula called Toto’s play scummy / anti-Town and then came to the conclusion that Toto was “bad Town” which is the point I made. Would you like that?

197 and 200 are the response to Toto’s calling out of Nebbie’s “soft-claim” as anti-Town and dumb.

220 indicates that Toto “dismissed” an earlier question and asks Toto what possible Town motive he would have for the “spotlighting the soft-claim”.

226 says that Toto is taking a quote “out of context”.

235 again questions whether there was any Town motive for the whole soft-claim spotlight.

271 claims Toto is “reaching” in his assessment. There is a comment about Sesq and “scum-theatre” that 275 indicates shows fake interactions between Sesq and Toto. To be scum theatre you need both players involved to be scum.

Finally in 346 we arrive at the post that originally made me think “Nebula is scum who is Town reading Toto for bad reasons”.

So Nebula spent a large number of posts continually asking Toto why he as Town would point out a soft-claim and called Sesq and Toto interactions scum theatre. Then suddenly at 346 he’s “Town caught in a death tunnel” for not appreciable reason.

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Hell, you have plenty of information to read me. It's not my fault or my "scum-strategy" that you're intentionally not reviewing my case because you want to wait on your town-reads.

Umm a case on an unflipped player is hardly “plenty of information” to parse your slot. If at some point today we get an Elena scum flip than sure … the likelihood of you as a partner is pretty remote. On the other hand an Elena Town flip means that as things stand now I have what would be a tunnel on dead Town.

Who are your Town reads?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's fair enough MoI, I think I misunderstood your point originally but I get what you mean now and I think it actually makes sense.

However, I understand you're also reading Toto as town and I have no idea how tbh. Toto looks like scum to me (which is why Nebula's town read has me like ???'

Why do you think Toto is town?

[MagnaofIllusion]

However, I understand you're also reading Toto as town and I have no idea how tbh. Toto looks like scum to me (which is why Nebula's town read has me like ???'

Why do you think Toto is town?

It started as when his reads (re: Nebula) converged with mine initially. But look with a critical eye at his and Nebula's postings (this applies to Sesq as well). Toto is willing to explore multiple avenues of inquiry (pressuring Hiraki as an example), question anyone, and be actively looking for things he think indicate scummy play and pointing them out. His play may be a bit spammy but shows what I would call Townie inquisitiveness.

Then compare to Nebula's ISO. Nebula is basically reactive and spent the whole day playing defense and sitting softly on Sesq more or less the whole time. Beyond OMGUSing me and his quick jaunt onto the Lowell lynch he was happy to sit on Sesq's wagon like with basically "Lol, scum" reasoning. No sign of trying to figure out the game.

Why do you not think Toto is Town?

Also - who do you think is Town yourself?

[Sesq]

My attitude towards Riley was a clear joke I thought that was clear.

This is the greatest backpedal of All time.

You have an answer for everything don't you.

I read: "You've reasonably answered all my stuff and I am left with nothing."

Yeah, Elena seems pretty scummy here but my gut kinda pulls the opposing direction, and my gut has so far been right 2/2 times.

[Sesq]

Oh yeah, almost forgot.

VOTE: Nebula

For the same reasons as before.

[Elena Fisher]

My attitude towards Riley was a clear joke I thought that was clear.

This is the greatest backpedal of All time.

You have an answer for everything don't you.

I read: "You've reasonably answered all my stuff and I am left with nothing."

Yeah, Elena seems pretty scummy here but my gut kinda pulls the opposing direction, and my gut has so far been right 2/2 times.

Are you kidding me? I've never met Riley I have no reason to be a dick to her it was clearly a joke

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey Sesq - what do you think about how Night turned out?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sesq, please help me lynch Elena. I'll give you a cookie.

MoI, I'll talk more about Toto when I'm at a PC. IIRC though, up to page 25 or so, he only ever voted for Nebula/Hiraki and one other person. Can't remember who it was but he stays within 3 people the entire time.

[Sesq]

My attitude towards Riley was a clear joke I thought that was clear.

This is the greatest backpedal of All time.

You have an answer for everything don't you.

I read: "You've reasonably answered all my stuff and I am left with nothing."

Yeah, Elena seems pretty scummy here but my gut kinda pulls the opposing direction, and my gut has so far been right 2/2 times.

Are you kidding me? I've never met Riley I have no reason to be a dick to her it was clearly a joke

*fiercely ignores actual points*

Hey Sesq - what do you think about how Night turned out?

I was sort of expecting a less active player to get killed as a safe move, but I wouldn't expect that to be Kain, it seems you could push a lynch out of him given his play.

Also, kinda had a "told you so!" epiphany about Lowell flipping town, even though my reads back then were null I was expecting him more to flip Town upon his lynch, gut-based.

Sesq, please help me lynch Elena. I'll give you a cookie.

MoI, I'll talk more about Toto when I'm at a PC. IIRC though, up to page 25 or so, he only ever voted for Nebula/Hiraki and one other person. Can't remember who it was but he stays within 3 people the entire time.

I'll consider it, but I just kinda have a gut feeling we're lynching town here, and I don't want to do it. Nebula is still my favorite.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Gut feeling is super bad reasoning for D2.

Give me something more solid.

[Sesq]

Gut feeling is super bad reasoning for D2.

Give me something more solid.

Well, it's done well for me before.

Also, I think Neb is scummier.

[Toto]

VOTE: Neb

[Toto]

KAIN TEPES, I WILL AVENGE YOUR DEATH!!!!

[nebula]

Srs question: Does anyone think that all three scum were on the Lowell mislynch?

[nebula]

Also...that was a strange choice for a nk.

[Toto]

Nah, one of them was outside. Elena is a good candidate. But I smell someone's wagon got derailed.

[nebula]

Sesq's?

[Toto]

Either yours or Sesq, yeah.

[Toto]

So, KAIN said that Hikari, BBT and Neb were scummy.

Elena was saying BBT was scummy and was probably more widely town read than KT.

He also soft claimed PR. But I'm not sure anyone would take that as not a joke.

But could also be a frame-kill. IDK. But there were better frame-kill candidates for that group. (i.e. me)

[nebula]

Either yours or Sesq, yeah.

And, who was responsible for leading that?

[Sesq]

Srs question: Does anyone think that all three scum were on the Lowell mislynch?

1/3 at least.

Also...that was a strange choice for a nk.

This feels like kind of a forced sentiment, could just be caused by presupposition

Either yours or Sesq, yeah.

And, who was responsible for leading that?

BBT, I think.

[nebula]

BBT, I think.

Try again.

[Sesq]

BBT, I think.

Try again.

If you know it, say it. No need to hide information, or else I'll try to derail Elena's wagon straight onto you.

[nebula]

You should be able to look it up fairly easy. I want you to say it.