Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

[Hawk]

Well I want to believe Elena, I find it odd the BBT and Hapu both come into d2 and point towards Elena but didn't say anything d1 about it. BBT instructed/requested a hammer on Lowell which I can see being scum motivated but that makes me question whether MoL was derailing Sesq or not. Sesq meanwhile questioned the lynch end of d1 near the end despite having moved his vote much more than his counter wagon Nebula. This combined with Nebula holding hard on Sesq till it seemed like Lowell's wagon was gaining actual traction makes me feel uncomfortable about the Elena situation as its indicative that she was either distancing or actually well and truly not paying attention to the game state :/

So maybe that kinda makes sense why I feel like somewhere between the two of you there should be scum? I'm not ruling out T on both of you but if that's so it doesn't make sense for one you to push through on Lowell's lynch so calmly while multiple people SR you slightly ignored Elena for some reaching logic about Lowell not remembering Elena in his TR's. Like I don't mind that Lowell got lynched. I followed that logic because it seemed sound enough and his play besides that pinged me as coasting scum but like everything is lining up weirdly...

[Toto]

Riley, you scum read Nebula. Why are you not voting him?

Anyone else not voting Nebula better have a good explanation of why we should townread him.

[nebula]

And my next exhibit in the “Why Nebula is Scum” … this post.

Earlier today Nebula has stated that I “shopped” scum reads on himself, Hiraki and Lowell. But this is the response he gives when Sesq quite properly points out that Nebula’s jump onto Elena was out of nowhere.

This is Cognitive Dissonance in full display – I was scum “shopping” for a lynch yesterday but he is Town exploring his other options and not tunneling. Look at my reasons and posts surrounding my suspicion of Hiraki, Nebula and Lowell. Then look at his jumps on Elena and Lowell (BTW he’s trying his absolute hardest to distance himself from any responsibility for his vote to mislynch Lowell which is scummy). Which ISO looks like someone actually looking for scum and which looks like scum making opportunistic hops?

Vote Nebula … he’s even asking for it!

You are exhausting.

How no one sees that you are intentionally distorting things to be scummy is astounding to me. I never stated that you shopping your vote/focus on other players was scummy. I was correcting Hawk's previous assertion as it was factually inaccurate. I'm also not "trying my absolute hardest" to distance myself from Lowell. My entire argument there is that

you

started it.

Seriously...no one sees what MoI is doing? Blatant misreps...

[Toto]

I do agree that with this point it was kind of bunk, but your choice of vocabulary comes off as scummy. That said, it's more of a gut read at this point, which I have previously stated to be the case. In terms of logic you do present good points with rather unfortunate framing, but my gut is still going off like mad. But your worst part here is your last sentence, "Perhaps I was too haste in my town read of you based on your willingness to engage with me yesterday". First of all, I WAS engaging with you with that post, and with this very post as well. Engagement is also fairly NAI.

Hi, Sesq. Could you point to what vocabulary I used that came across as scummy? It would be helpful for me to understand that.

Also, I believe that you misinterpreted my last sentence. I was stating that I read you as town yesterday based on the fact that you engaged with me - which you now point out should not be indicative of alignment. I was stating that I may have been to haste in that read given the basis of your suspicion. I believe that to not be genuine.

VOTE: Sesq

I bolded the important part.

Here nebula votes Sesq because he believes Sesq's basis for suspecting nebula (choice of vocabulary) is fake itself and therefore scummy.

Now, it should be very obvious that this statement can't be sincere. Nebula is an alt that is purposefully displaying a fake personality. Nebula should realize this and should realize the way he phrases his posts comes off as fake, because it is fake by design.

So no fucking way he belives Sesq is being

disingenious

here.

I want this lynched today.

[nebula]

I'm not getting lynched today. Move on.

[Toto]

That post is scummy as hell. We lynched Lowell for less. But your display of hope is charming.

[nebula]

Not hope. You don't have the ability to get me lynched. Same reason I wasn't getting lynched D1.

You should focus in MoI/Elena/Sesq/Uzi

[Toto]

Nope. In that post Sesq was being sincere, you were being insincere. Insincerity is the #1 tool to find scum on D1. D1 is the hardest day for scum.

As town you had no reason to vote Sesq for that because you should know your fake personality comes off as fake.

If you can find a more insincere vote than that one then you may have a chance to not get lynched today. But you wont.

[nebula]

The fact that you reached back to my forced playstyle to find your reason for (attempting to) lynching me is worrying. Why not pick out something from later on in D1?

[Toto]

I was not looking for a reason to lynch you. But nice try.

I was re-reading the game from P1 and found that gem.

[nebula]

Whatevs - nice excuse.

Get good and town read me so we can move on. D2 is starting to feel like D1 again.

[Toto]

Whatevs - nice excuse.

What is that supposed to mean?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well I want to believe Elena, I find it odd the BBT and Hapu both come into d2 and point towards Elena but didn't say anything d1 about it. BBT instructed/requested a hammer on Lowell which I can see being scum motivated but that makes me question whether MoL was derailing Sesq or not. Sesq meanwhile questioned the lynch end of d1 near the end despite having moved his vote much more than his counter wagon Nebula. This combined with Nebula holding hard on Sesq till it seemed like Lowell's wagon was gaining actual traction makes me feel uncomfortable about the Elena situation as its indicative that she was either distancing or actually well and truly not paying attention to the game state :/

See this is to me a garbled and I need some clarification …

1. Was I “derailing” the Sesq lynch all day when pushing on Nebula or Hiraki (both of whom had viable wagons during D1). If not then why is moving to Lowell (who you admit played in a manner that looked scum to you also) suddenly a derail?
2. What is your read on BBT and Hapu if you find it suspect they both started the day pushing on Elena?
3. What is your read on Nebula given you seem to indicate his vote movements around Lowell are suspect?

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You are exhausting.

How no one sees that you are intentionally distorting things to be scummy is astounding to me. I never stated that you shopping your vote/focus on other players was scummy. I was correcting Hawk's previous assertion as it was factually inaccurate. I'm also not "trying my absolute hardest" to distance myself from Lowell. My entire argument there is that you started it.

Seriously...no one sees what MoI is doing? Blatant misreps...

I understand how exhausting this is for you. You managed to escape Day 1 and signs pointed at the start of the day that you were going to not be under fire for your scummy play again. But here I am not letting your scum-motivated posting go unnoticed at every turn. I’m that frustrating drug sniffing dog that you can’t shoot in front of the Cops safely and can’t make stop pointing out your “stash”.

Don’t worry too much about it. I’ve ground better scum than you into fine powder on the way to their lynch.

I'm not getting lynched today. Move on.

Yeah you are.

MORE NEBULA VOTES ASAP!!!!

[nebula]

It's exhausting because you are getting away with blatant falsities. Also, I will post a video of me eating a sock if you think you or Toto can get me lynched before LyLo.

[Toto]

Notice how Nebula avoids addressing the case against him and instead focuses on discrediting the attacker.

[Sesq]

Riley, you scum read Nebula. Why are you not voting him?

Anyone else not voting Nebula better have a good explanation of why we should townread him.

You seem to be unaware that people can have multiple scumreads, and maybe do scumread nebula but just scumread someone else more, and vote for them instead?

It isn't black and white like that.

And my next exhibit in the “Why Nebula is Scum” … this post.

Earlier today Nebula has stated that I “shopped” scum reads on himself, Hiraki and Lowell. But this is the response he gives when Sesq quite properly points out that Nebula’s jump onto Elena was out of nowhere.

This is Cognitive Dissonance in full display – I was scum “shopping” for a lynch yesterday but he is Town exploring his other options and not tunneling. Look at my reasons and posts surrounding my suspicion of Hiraki, Nebula and Lowell. Then look at his jumps on Elena and Lowell (BTW he’s trying his absolute hardest to distance himself from any responsibility for his vote to mislynch Lowell which is scummy). Which ISO looks like someone actually looking for scum and which looks like scum making opportunistic hops?

Vote Nebula … he’s even asking for it!

You are exhausting.

How no one sees that you are intentionally distorting things to be scummy is astounding to me. I never stated that you shopping your vote/focus on other players was scummy. I was correcting Hawk's previous assertion as it was factually inaccurate. I'm also not "trying my absolute hardest" to distance myself from Lowell. My entire argument there is that

you

started it.

Seriously...no one sees what MoI is doing? Blatant misreps...

I haven't seen any distorting from him. Where is it?

Also, I fail to see who started the Lowell wagon to be very important. The rest of MoI's play has been pretty towny, and if it's town lynching town then who you should be suspect to are the people who hopped on late in the wagon's life.

Like you.

I do agree that with this point it was kind of bunk, but your choice of vocabulary comes off as scummy. That said, it's more of a gut read at this point, which I have previously stated to be the case. In terms of logic you do present good points with rather unfortunate framing, but my gut is still going off like mad. But your worst part here is your last sentence, "Perhaps I was too haste in my town read of you based on your willingness to engage with me yesterday". First of all, I WAS engaging with you with that post, and with this very post as well. Engagement is also fairly NAI.

Hi, Sesq. Could you point to what vocabulary I used that came across as scummy? It would be helpful for me to understand that.

Also, I believe that you misinterpreted my last sentence. I was stating that I read you as town yesterday based on the fact that you engaged with me - which you now point out should not be indicative of alignment. I was stating that I may have been to haste in that read given the basis of your suspicion. I believe that to not be genuine.

VOTE: Sesq

I bolded the important part.

Here nebula votes Sesq because he believes Sesq's basis for suspecting nebula (choice of vocabulary) is fake itself and therefore scummy.

Now, it should be very obvious that this statement can't be sincere. Nebula is an alt that is purposefully displaying a fake personality. Nebula should realize this and should realize the way he phrases his posts comes off as fake, because it is fake by design.

So no fucking way he belives Sesq is being

disingenious

here.

I want this lynched today.

I fail to see the logic here. I only scumread him AFTER he had abysmal responses to my rebuttals, his initial vote I don't necessarily see as a scummy move, but certainly most things he did after that point would qualify as such.

Not hope. You don't have the ability to get me lynched. Same reason I wasn't getting lynched D1.

You should focus in MoI/Elena/Sesq/Uzi

Actually, if we pulled together people who were split amongst you and hiraki, and had a few less people rarely active, we could have had a lynch on you going.

Now we have 2 rarely active townies gone and one less vote to lynch. It's definitely more possible today.

Whatevs - nice excuse.

What is that supposed to mean?

It means "I can't argue this point so I'm going to weakly dismiss it".

I've seen this tactic utilized by Elena as well.

Notice how Nebula avoids addressing the case against him and instead focuses on discrediting the attacker.

Textbook definition of ad hominem right there, kind of, I don't know. Point is, it's shitty logic and LYNCH THIS MAN

[Toto]

I fail to see the logic here. I only scumread him AFTER he had abysmal responses to my rebuttals, his initial vote I don't necessarily see as a scummy move, but certainly most things he did after that point would qualify as such.

Nebula: "I'm voting Sesq because I don't believe Sesq finds my choice of vocabulary suspicious like he says, he is making up excuses to suspect me."

He is saying this as an Alt that uses a fake vocabulary by design.

[Toto]

^^^ that's paraphrased

[Sesq]

I fail to see the logic here. I only scumread him AFTER he had abysmal responses to my rebuttals, his initial vote I don't necessarily see as a scummy move, but certainly most things he did after that point would qualify as such.

Nebula: "I'm voting Sesq because I don't believe Sesq finds my choice of vocabulary suspicious like he says, he is making up excuses to suspect me."

He is saying this as an Alt that uses a fake vocabulary by design.

I don't see how being an alt is relevant, but I'd agree thats a bad reason

[nebula]

I haven't seen any distorting from him. Where is it?

Maybe you could be an adult, and do your own reading given that I've point it out on several occassions. Oh wait, you're prob!scumbuds so you wouldn't see it.......

[nebula]

I've seen this tactic utilized by Elena as well.

Then vote Elena.

[Toto]

I fail to see the logic here. I only scumread him AFTER he had abysmal responses to my rebuttals, his initial vote I don't necessarily see as a scummy move, but certainly most things he did after that point would qualify as such.

Nebula: "I'm voting Sesq because I don't believe Sesq finds my choice of vocabulary suspicious like he says, he is making up excuses to suspect me."

He is saying this as an Alt that uses a fake vocabulary by design.

I don't see how being an alt is relevant, but I'd agree thats a bad reason

He is a gimmick alt that uses non natural vocabulary on purpose.

[Sesq]

I haven't seen any distorting from him. Where is it?

Maybe you could be an adult, and do your own reading given that I've point it out on several occassions. Oh wait, you're prob!scumbuds so you wouldn't see it.......

If it's so obvious, you should be able to point it out.

If you cannot provide evidence, you must have no evidence.

I've seen this tactic utilized by Elena as well.

Then vote Elena.

As if this is the only reason I'm voting you

[nebula]

^

This is why you are a frustrating and needy player. You cbf'd to even read the responses I've made to MoI. Guess what? I've made them, and I'm sure as shit not going to redo it for someone who I think is scum with the person I'm refuting.

I'm about <>this close<> to being done with this crap.

[Toto]

K, replace out.