~laundry~ FIN

[Pine]

To be fair though, I have a bunch of experience with all three, and at least two of them have fairly transparent differences between their Towngames and scumgames, soooooo

[Pine]

you don't have a bunch of experience with me, you're talking out of your ass

now I definitely have a SR on you

Dude, we've played like half a dozen games together. That's plenty.

[Pine]

Especially when you have a fairly transparent scumgame, and those games were all in the last three months or so.

[Pine]

I count five completed games we've played together in the last few months, plus several others. I feel I have a good handle on your meta as it presently stands. Whine and bitch all you want, I'm not going away.

Your flailing right now suggests I'm right.

Powerlynching Drealmerz tomorrow.

[Pine]

It is, actually. Your scumgame is to take a backseat, let Town destroy itself, and then when it matters, you step in and make a strong push.

The problem isn't that your scumgame is distinct, it's that it doesn't look like your Towngame. You tend to rage and go nuts at scum suspects when you're Town, and you tend to be like a dog with a bone, right or not. The weakness of your scumgame is that you have difficulty manufacturing the same outrage and passion.

This is your scumgame.

Don't sweat it. You're still relatively new to the site. We can work on it if you'd like. You'd be fun to hydra with.

PEdit: Yeah, Andy, that's the way I've been slowly leaning the last day phase or so. D1/early D2 I had Maria, but she's looking more confused and gamesolve-y lately. This is also directly in line with what I saw from Nos's scumgame in NY199, but that's my only prior experience with him, so it isn't super confident.

[Pine]

make a fucking case

Guilty result is more than sufficient.
Goodbye, dreal.

........

vote nacho.

Yes, vote Nacho. Of the two guilties, this one goes first.

[Pine]

VOTE: Drealmerz

Case has been made.

[Pine]

Actually, you didn't say why it was wrong. You said merely said it was wrong, and atrack my credibility

[Pine]

Nah that's a simplistic perspective on Nacho-scum

[Pine]

I'm reading, drealmerz, I just didn't find what you had to say at all convincing.

My wife does this. If I disagree on something, she seems to think she didn't explain herself well enough the first time, and starts over. Often repeatedly.

Drealmerz. I perceive you to be scum. Deal with it. Don't get butt hurt. If you're Town, prove it with your actions. You've been about as helpful as tits on a bull this game.

PEdit: Agreed, Fire and Gerry all Town due to how the first three lynches went down.

I'm down for a Nos lynch tomorrow.

[Pine]

Leaning Town on Maria now. I don't think she hard defends both scum lynches as their buddy.

[Pine]

Absolutely no way does Gerry hard bus both of them right out the gate

[Pine]

the only thing I'm sweating, pine, is you being really annoying with a blatantly horrible case

your description of my scum game in the past few I've been on here is wholly inaccurate

I only KIND of barely did that in PYPDD, but that was because of the large playerlist and what was going in life early in that game, not because I was scum

In Memory I was loud and out right away
Ttyll, loud and out right away
even in the one we were scum together, I wasn't like this at all

you make no sense

There are no counterpoints in this, Drealmerz. There's nothing to respond to. You could have replaced it all with "lol nope u suck" and had just as much impact. More, actually, because at least that would have been concise.

I've engaged with you entirely enough. Lynch wagon hooooo

[Pine]

Maria does not hard defend both Creature and Nacho when they are sinking ships.

Gerry does not hard bus both out of the gate.

Why the hell do you people insist on characterizing scum players as having no subtlety or finesse? Any of those moves are bad moves.

And SAD, you can't call Gerry scum and me 'hardcore Town' for exactly the same reasons. Sorry, but no.

[Pine]

No, fuck off. You deserve to lose if you lynch the only one who has been tunneling mafia

I called them too, Gerry.

Y'all really need to lay off Gerry. We have real scum to string up.

[Pine]

There is zero evidence of a SK

[Pine]

You're missing Andy on your list.

Bob Marley did.

[Pine]

Give me the case on McMenno that doesn't begin and end with circumstantial speculation that he bussed Creature

[Pine]

It was a fake claim, obv

Drealmerz reacted prett badly to it though, as he continues to react badly to my drive on him

[Pine]

look at that damn spoiler.

who pushed him more than me?

I did, for one. But only me. You were clear second.

[Pine]

pine is scum because he's bad as scum and this is him being bad as scum

I'm fucking awesome as scum, bro. We just finished a game where Camn designed an entire setup around taking away my advantages as scum, and I won it.

Yeah, bro, I'm not bad at scum, I'm just not as bad at Town as I used to be. If these morons lynch Gerry you should probably kill me tonight.

[Pine]

Nos's sudden enthusiasm against drealmerz makes me really uncomfortable.

VOTE: Nosferatu

I'd like to see this flip.

[Pine]

I feel like I'm being left alive to be pocketed. That ends now.

[Pine]

Gerry we aren't lynching Desp today.

[Pine]

Well, no, not really. The truth is somewhat between what you two are saying. Desp, you're exaggerating Gerry's multiple reads. He's allowed more than one at one time; it's a Large with an anticipated scumteam of approximately four. Gerry, characterizing his interpretation as a lie is over the top. It isn't a lie, it's how he interprets things. He's wrong, but throwing it back at him like that is unhelpful.

Come on guys. You're probably both Town, move past the pettiness. Lynch Nos with me.

[Pine]

except Gerry is now claiming that he was the primary driver of the nacho wagon, which is what I'm taking issue with

If you all just decided to lynch maria today, I wouldn't be able to call myself the main driver even tho I've supported her lynch from the word go.

Gerry is making a reasonable exaggeration. He and I were the core of that push, and your dismissal of his role is not helping you. D3 was only three hours long, and if he'd been around he'd have been on Nacho like a fat kid on cake. He and I have been pushing Nacho since D1. Do you care to deny that?

hey drealmer
wanna vote pine with me?

i think saying drealmer is lacking presence is not really true; he has a ton of posts per his usual and his EoD tunneling on gerry/sly was pretty typical drealmer from my perspective.

These two posts really don't read as partners. I don't think nacho would go out of his way to explain what dreamz is doing, neither ask him to vote with him like that.

Your lack of faith in Nacho's scumgame is disturbing. Of course he'd do those things.

[Pine]

But Gerry isn't on it..

BECAUSE HE WAS ON NACHO, YOU NUMPTY

[Pine]

McMenno more likely, but still not probable. I don't like how he's stayed in the shadows, though.

Vote Nos with me. That's the common ground we can agree on.

[Pine]

Tier list

Firebringer, Pine
Desperado
Maria, Zach, Nos
Mcmenno, dreamz
Gerry

I'm a little concerned that this recent readslist does not match SAD's new positions.

[Pine]

mcmenno aint done shit but he has been on the right wagons, so he gets the botd today. lynch someone who is objectively scummy

This is a good paraphrase of my feelings.

[Pine]

It does a bit. Not as much as it used to, before scum wised up about fooling VCA, but it's not nothing.

[Pine]

Yeah but the old one was like ten hours ago. I'm not buying the shifting reads that quickly.

I just ISOed EP for vote counts. I agree that simply existing on the right wagons means little, but position on those wagons does.

McMenno was among the very first on Creature D1, preceded only by Zach, who wandered off soon after for other votes. He was even the only vote on Creature for a while, and never moved off.
McMenno was among the first on Nacho D2, and stayed consistent on Nacho all day until hammer.
McMenno went right back onto Nacho D3, and rode it all the way to a second scumlynch.

So a McMenno SR proposes that McMenno has done NOTHING but bus. I don't buy that.

Need to ISO Zach. My TR of him is stale, and I'm concerned he's coasting. Noticed that early vote on Creature and moving off of it. Need to see if that was just an RVS vote or whether it looks like distancing.

Present SRs are drealmerz and Nos, investigating SAD and Zach. McMenno investigation concludes Town. Maria investigation concludes Town.

[Pine]

This is different from my Sly read which I was dead wrong on. Note I townread Pine a lot of yesterday before the drealmerz thing happened. Now I am re evaluating my thought processes.

I've played 4 games with Pine. This would be the 5th.

Of those 4 , 3 have been scum games.

I've called him as scum in 2/3 of those games.

My intent is not at all to imply that I am good at reading Pine, but it's a track record that shows I can actually back my feelings up.

He's taking a head on approach because Pine scum plays like that, he likes being in the crowd and letting people know about it. He's good at manipulating people.


I'm not good at articulating stuff but heed my point about him WRT drealmerz. It reads so fake given the context. He can't ACTUALLY believe that.

I'm pretty sure I have a post somewhere that conveys scum pine. I will elaborate more on this read later.

Yeah, I actually play like that as both Town and scum. The key to being a good scum player is to have as little visible difference between your Towngame and scumgame as possible. That's why Creature and drealmerz got nailed here, because I could see the seams.

This is my Towngame.

Also, kind of hilarious that the incipient Pine!wagon is entirely people I have recently suspected.

like...pine's case is soooo shitty horrible awful of a case

if he did that on my HS, he'd be lynched in an instant because it's so blatantly scummy and shitty - you can't get away with that shit where I'm used to playing, and that it's actually accepted as something that has any sort of merit hurts my fucking head

I've seen you say this more than once and I think you need to check that shit at the door man. We aren't at your homesite any more. The meta here is different. Push your case by all means but routinely referencing how some other group of people would all agree with you that something is obviously scummy gets you nowhere and alienates the people you are actually playing this game with.

This.

Drealmerz, I have actually repeatedly responded to you, repeatedly stated my case, repeatedly engaged why I don't feel your defense is valid. You're just throwing a tantrum at this point. It is yet another example of how you produce unconvincing outrage when you're scum and convincing outrage when you're Town. This is the former.

[Pine]

He doesn't give a fuck about [expending effort] when it's not toward something he's lynched, which is bad if he's wrong on a read

I haven't seen scum drealmerz.. if I'm not mistaken he's been town in all the games I've completed with him and he's acted exactly like the reasons he is being lynched for

It's not scum behavior imo

I can't take your posts seriously anymore. You just derail every wagon and the one wagon where you pushed (slysly) was town.

"Trust me dreamz is 100% town" "I haven't ever seen him as scum but trust me!".

See, this is why I'm beginning to suspect Zach. It wasn't the VCA thing, that just reminded me that Zach was in the game and I hadn't seriously considered him in a while.

A quick skim of Zach's ISO supports this suspicion, as he seems to be pushing pretty much any wagon that moves except the ones that are productive. He's gone after Fro99er, Sly, Fire, Andy, McMenno, and now me. That's like, a full Town roster of votes, except his RVS vote on Creature. He's been keeping to himself, but suddenly has out-of-nowhere case on me as soon as I express doubts about him? Nahhhhh.

{Nos, drealmerz, Zach} take it to the bank.

Unless I'm wrong. I am often wrong.

PEdit: I am tentatively interested in that voting bloc. I'm not 100% on everyone in it, but I'm at least 75% on all of them.

[Pine]

@Bloc: I propose that Nos is the lynch for today. I'm not 100% on him, but my gut says go for it. Besides, we seem not to have a vig and there's no fucking way he should get to LYLO.

PEdit: lol, drealmerz just tripping over himself to discredit anyone now. Dude, the vote isn't even on you right now. We're on Nos.
PEdit2: Touché, Paladin Bro

[Pine]

My Dearest Cleric Pine,

You, SAD, and I have all stated issues with drealmerz. And you just said you're not 100% on him. Why can't we just lynch dreal since we all already agree there?

Yours in Service to The Light,

Paladin Andrius

I'm good with either. I changed gears into hunting the remaining scum because the drealmerz wagon was stalled. My old SR on Maria has transitioned into a TR, so there's certainly more to hunt than just drealmerz. Hell, we wouldn't have gotten that horribad reaction out of Zach if I hadn't gone hunting.

{drealmerz, Nos} would lynch either of these today. Need to assess more evidence of Zach, but moving rapidly toward an SR of him.

[Pine]

Actually, I tend to be the walling and long discussion type, Andy. You bring out the Strahdian in me.

[Pine]

Sounds good.

VOTE: drealmerz

[Pine]

Actually, I tend to be the walling and long discussion type, Andy. You bring out the Strahdian in me.

It takes more than one Strahdian to form a party.
We can all wear the cape.

<3

My lynch preferences in order:

Gerry
Nos
Dreamz
Mcmenno
Zach

I wouldn't put it past Nacho to have been coaching Gerry day 1, esp with the way their interaction went down.

Veto Gerry and McMenno.

Nos Drealmerz Zach

[Pine]

@Bloc: I propose that Nos is the lynch for today. I'm not 100% on him, but my gut says go for it.

Besides, we seem not to have a vig and there's no fucking way he should get to LYLO.

PEdit: lol, drealmerz just tripping over himself to discredit anyone now. Dude, the vote isn't even on you right now. We're on Nos.
PEdit2: Touché, Paladin Bro

SAD said he got lost a shot on his BP and there's no evidence of an SK, pretty sure that's a vig?

Forgot about that. More likely a 1-shot power? Good point.

We should just do points if everyone in the bloc ranks those 5.

8 points for #1
5 points for #2
3 points for #3
2 points for #4
0 points for #5

And everyone agrees to vote the one with the highest points.

This idea has some merit, but I won't be approving or participating in the lynch of McMenno or Gerry, and I don't care how many points they get.

I'm starting to have cold feet about Drealmerz. My entire case is built on him faking outrage as scum and real raging as Town. This is feeling more real the more I consider it.

I'd really prefer Nos today.

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Pine]

Don't be a pansy, Drealmerz. Stay and play the game, just don't have a tantrum when you aren't having your way.

[Pine]

I miss tammy
I was looking forward to trying to have a game with her again, damnit, you scumbags

What the fuck is this shit.

Forget my cold feet on Drealmerz.

[Pine]

way to kill the thread, EP!

wow yall suck

mod replace me

ANARCHY IN THE

UK

LAUNDRY ROOM

[Pine]

I'm in no hurry to end the day.

My cold feet on Drealmerz are feeling chilly again.

I'm torn here.

[Pine]

Didn't claim flavor. Flavor is a pile of socks.

[Pine]

I think Gerry's been trying to draw the kill.

Boffo, Gerry.

[Pine]

Didn't claim flavor. Flavor is a pile of socks.

They have fake claims anyway.

Creature claimed "My roommate" but he wasn't.

And he forgot to look his up. Town simply knows their role, they don't have to look up what their fakeclaim was.

[Pine]

I'm EP's Sleep Schedule. Boom. It's not something I have to hunt through PMs or the scum PT to find.

[Pine]

Wait a min,

I also counterclaim gerry's role.

Elaborate

[Pine]

It's not a gambit.

High five, voting bloc!

[Pine]

Wait a min,

I also counterclaim gerry's role.

Elaborate

I'm a night 1 compulsive visitor with a potential effect.

This isn't necessarily a counterclaim. This sounds like something that could be present in multiple roles, like the moist modifier.

[Pine]

It's not a gambit.

High five, voting bloc!

I beg to differ. I actually have a hated modifier. I've been dead for a while now.

I have the Hated modifier. When you're Town Hated, you claim it first post. Not doing so is anti-Town.

[Pine]

It's not a gambit.

High five, voting bloc!

I beg to differ. I actually have a hated modifier. I've been dead for a while now.

Straight up lie, EP had you at 5 votes because she though Firebringer was on you and I corrected EP. And they didn't flip/lynch you.

Bye scum I can rest easy now.

Good point.

[Pine]

It's not a gambit.

High five, voting bloc!

WINNING

CLERIC PINE
PALADIN ANDRIUS

[Pine]

Nos fishing for a Governor is kind of adorable.

[Pine]

Or even someone that has the hated claim like you claimed?

+1

[Pine]

I partial-claimed a while ago. Not elaborating. I'm hoping that, if I target right tonight, I can wrap this game up.

I cannot wait to show off the awesome role I have.

[Pine]

I partial-claimed a while ago. Not elaborating. I'm hoping that, if I target right tonight, I can wrap this game up.

I cannot wait to show off the awesome role I have.

Did you get it btw?

What?

No shit Gerry is town lol

Duh

In a new revelation,

Andrius is (sadly) prob scum.

Nah

Imagine if Pine is scum and playing for the long con,

would be hilarious.

I long con all the time, but not at the expense of scumbuddies.

This would require me leading the lynch on three scumbuddies, which is so antiwincon I don't have words. All it would take is a lucky track, watch, or whatever to lose the game.

Or mcmenno playing for the long con.

This is possible, but I maintain that he's Town.

SAD I'd really appreciate it if you could stop being terribad paranoid.

[Pine]

So I went to the OP to look to see if people can BAH post or not.
(Answer is NO.)

When I found this:

- Scum cannot perform kill and use power on the same night.

May become relevant.
Also somewhat confirms the existence of a Non-Encyptor Scum PR.

^Townposting

Also well spotted, my dead Paladin.

[Pine]

Eeeeeep dear* Paladin

Stupid autocorrect.

[Pine]

I love that Nos self-hammered to try and cut off discussion, but EP is nowhere to be found.

A+

[Pine]

Welp, my overnight epiphany is that Zach has to go.

Will hold off on a vote until everyone checks in, I'm not so certain of this that I won't wait for possible investigators.

[Pine]

Also a good choice, though I'm leaning towards his late-day rage being Town. Dunno. Paranoid about him.

[Pine]

I'm EP's sleep schedule. I have the hated modifier.

Telling more would be anti-Town for reasons that will be self-evident when I flip.

[Pine]

"My Sleep Schedule" is the actual role name, in case you're comparing an investigative result to my reply.

[Pine]

Unfortunately, I worry that I have tipped my hand a bit too much, yeah.

Andy I'm a little paranoid about too. I'd need to really deep-ISO him to recalibrate.

PEdit: I didn't receive anything, Maria, no.

[Pine]

Unfortunately, I worry that I have tipped my hand a bit too much, yeah.

Andy I'm a little paranoid about too. I'd need to really deep-ISO him to recalibrate.

PEdit: I didn't receive anything, Maria, no.

The past 2 nights?

As far as I'm aware, I have not received anything from anyone. I'll doublecheck my PMs, but I don't think I'd have missed it.

[Pine]

Waiting on Andy then choo choo on Zach

We didn't lynch scum on accident, Desp. Gerry and I worked hard for that lynch.

[Pine]

Oh yes, do tell me more about how I turbo bussed all three of Creature, Nacho, and Nos.

[Pine]

Oh right Maria scum 4 sho

[Pine]

Andy there's no reason to rush things, but no reason to wait either. I was holding off in case anyone had PR results overnight or whatever, but I'm pretty sure a Zach lynch wins this for us. I don't see anyone else being lynched today, and if I'm wrong about him then we're not likely to get anything productive done anyway.

VOTE: Zach

13:4 is absolutely standard unless multiball. 12:5 would be very scumsided. A mislynch D1 and a NK would make scum compose 1/3 of Town, requiring Town to be nearly unanimous after that. A second mislynch and NK puts you at 8:5, a third makes it 6:5. That would be ludicrously imbalanced.

[Pine]

Okay I'm Jailkeeper

N1 McMenno (Wasn't here up to lynch - either way I missed Fro99er's claim and didn't go back to see anything)

N2 Maria

N3 Firebringer

N4 Pine

You Jailkeep the claimed BP-distributor? Got it.

Okay I'm Jailkeeper

N1 McMenno (Wasn't here up to lynch - either way I missed Fro99er's claim and didn't go back to see anything)

N2 Maria

N3 Firebringer

N4 Pine

LMAO

here's your scum roleblocker folks

This.

[Pine]

Andy, if this is our second Town game in a row where we crush scum together, we should definitely do a Paladin and Cleric gimmick hydra together. Clearly we are unstoppable.

This is reminding me a lot of the endgame of Gay Mafia, where Town had scum dead to rights and they flailed super badly because they saw the writing on the wall.

[Pine]

Damn.. haha I should have tried more guys nice one GG

Yessssss

This is officially my best Towngame ever. Four for four, and hard defended the only mislynch.

[Pine]

btw i was maf. u guys were in mylo and lost lol

Oh noes u so good and sexy Gerry I bow to u

We are not worthy

[Pine]

Do you guys have any tips for me to improve my scum game because you saw through it so easily

Stay engaged. Don't try to lead Town (though accept the role if it is thrust upon you) but get in the mix and work with and against people. Your problem here, what tipped me off about you was that your reads were just so milquetoast. There wasn't anything special about them, anything risky or unpopular. Seek to form alliances, but avoid overt buddying until you get a 'mutual TR' vibe going. Remember how I was with Camn in Hunger Games? I slow played that relationship, going out on a limb early on to hard TR her when it wasn't popular and waited for her to come to me. Stick to your guns, take hard positions, but justify them. Also don't be afraid to read the room and find a justification to realign yourself.

Above all else, DO WHAT YOU'D DO AS TOWN. Someone does something scummy, call them on it. Doesn't matter if it's your buddy, doesn't matter if it's someone TRing you, whatever. Someone becomes super obvTown, call them on that too. This is part of what tripped you up here - I drove on three scum lynches. There was no FUCKING WAY I was scum, especially as I have a meta of being anti-bus. You might have weaseled out of getting lynched today, but doubling down on me screwed you. You should have gone for Drealmerz, he was the weak link here (<3 you bb Drealz I was wrong and your actions proved it...my meta on you is not as good as I thought).

====

I was a 2-shot Bomb. I was trying to bait the kill and was really hoping to catch the fourth scum with my second use last night.

[Pine]

For the record, I requested Zach be retroactively modkilled for such a stunningly anti-wincon display. When scum deceives Town into thinking the game is over so they relax their guard, it's fair play. When Town does it for petty, vindictive revenge and outrageously poor sportsmanship, it is distinctly anti-wincon, and violates my interpretation of the rules of the game.

EP considered and denied the request, and while I respect his decision, I don't agree with it. I will drop the matter for now, but this needed to be said.

=====

I need to re-evaluate my reads, especially in light of how the day ended. I genuinely was not expecting to survive, so I didn't do my homework overnight.

[Pine]

Gerry is Town, Desp. Stop misspelling your diminutive as 'Derp'.

[Pine]

reminder that i still have a 1-shot commute, which means i can either clear myself or force scum to NK to keep me lynchable

That isn't actually what that means, but okay.

[Pine]

reminder that i still have a 1-shot commute, which means i can either clear myself or force scum to NK to keep me lynchable

@ andrius that was to pine actually

@ pine that's exactly what it means, unless you still think we started with 5 scum?

Ohhh wait, I misunderstood. I get you now. Using your commute means you're cleared if a night kill occurs, or you force them to intentionally no-kill to cancel your self-clear. When you said NK, that usually means "night kill," not "no kill." Misunderstood.

The problem is that Desperado!scum can just no kill and claim that he's confirmed Town. We probably don't have a reliable means to check that you in fact commuted. So now I understand what you meant, and can tell you with actual authority that what you said

still

doesn't mean that.

[Pine]

Okay, fair enough, Desp.

[Pine]

I'm not an even night doc but it's like
each night I give someone a sock and if I give them a sock 2 nights in a row there doc'd

She's a kind of fruit vendor with a hard-to-manage special effect.

[Pine]

I'm willing to take her off of my Town list, but I need to reset some of my other reads. I'm booked pretty solid until Friday night, and I'm way too tired to do it tonight.

[Pine]

The flavor of this game is really fantastic, EP

Again, holding off on making a judgment till Friday night or Saturday morning.

[Pine]

Maria what is your role name?

[Pine]

Yeeeaah, I haven't fully re-evaluated yet, but I am really leaning towards Maria. The claim inconsistency is really bothering me, not to mention the multiple protective roles.

Further, the fact that Maria had a hard time giving me a straight answer about the flavor name of her role strikes me as scrambling to make a fake claim. Not to mention the fact that she's actually giving out laundry, and most of the scumteam we've seen has been the laundry.

UNVOTE:
you can get a day and see if people scum it up more

I dont really get this.
If you think Im scum then Im the last scum, Lynch me and win.
What are you waiting for, a better deal?

Also, this.

[Pine]

It's the burden of having a reputation for great scum play. People think you're capable of fucking magic.

[Pine]

For the last 17 years, I have spent my summers (and a good chunk of the offseason) working at and volunteering for a non-profit summer camp. We also offer winter and spring break day camps, and winter camp was this week. As tiring as summer can can be, and as muddy as spring camp can be, winter camp is always the toughest. I've been coming home exhausted to the core every day, and was briefly sick in the middle of the week. Fortunately it was raining today, and playing board games all day is a lot less draining than sledding or capture the flag in the snow.

I'm back now, and I will be doing my big re-evaluation soon. We have plenty of time, though, so I'll get it done. Probably some time tomorrow.

Still leaning towards Maria, but need to ISO her in relation to flips.

[Pine]

No

[Pine]

I miss Wine Night.

Pine I can chat if you want.

Let's jam tonight. We can have a wine and whiskey night. What's your timezone?

[Pine]

I'm EST. So my midnight is your 9PM, let's do that? Earlier/later?

[Pine]

Because we've already mislynched twice, I don't feel like doing it again.

[Pine]

Hmmm. I can accept that logic. Personally, I found that tantrum so incredibly petty and anti-wincon that I dusted off my old blacklist and put a new name on it for the first time in ages.

[Pine]

What in the fuck are you two on about?

(ANDY BRO FOUR HOURS TO WHISKEY TIME)

[Pine]

It's on my list

[Pine]

ANDY

IT IS TIME

[Pine]

Well.

I thought I had things sorted, but then the whole Zach debacle happened. I've been meaning to recalibrate all of my reads.

[Pine]

I think you must have gotten a head start on the wine.

[Pine]

Lame. Drink more.

[Pine]

Yeah, pour one out for fallen homies.

Except don't waste actual alcohol. Sacrilege!

[Pine]

Ugh, the wife. She's sick ALL THE TIME, and decided to be sick again today. Moaning and groaning and throwing up. It isn't enough that she's susceptible to every passing germ, but she's gotta make sure everyone else knows just how miserable she is too.

[Pine]

I was playing Civ 6, because the Australia DLC was just released and it has a fucking kangaroo as its flag.

[Pine]

Actual sick. She picked up the flu in January and it stuck around for 32 days. No joke. It progressed into bronchitis and pneumonia before finally receding. Now, less than a month later, she's sick again. I dread pregnancy.

Okay, let's get down to business. Got a readslist?

[Pine]

I'm pretty sure we lynch Maria and McMenno for the win here, but I'm not sure.

And lolno Gerry isn't scum.

[Pine]

Votecount 1.26 - FINAL

Creature

(9 - LYNCH): McMenno,

gerryoat

, Pine, Andrius, Nachomamma8, Ser Arthur Dayne, Tammy, Fro99er, Desperado

SlySly

(4): drealmerz7, Zachstralkita, Nosferatu, MariaR

gerryoat

(2): Toogeloo, SlySly

Desperado

(1): Firebringer

Zachstralkita

(1): Creature

Not Voting

(0):
17 players, 9 majority.

Votecount 2.14 - FINAL

SlySly

(8 - LYNCH): Toogeloo, Nosferatu, drealmerz7, Firebringer, Zachstralkita, MariaR, Ser Arthur Dayne, McMenno

drealmerz7

(3): Andrius, Pine, SlySly

Nachomamma8

(1):

gerryoat

Pine

(2): Nachomamma8, Desperado

Not Voting

(1): Tammy

15 players, 8 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-02-17 19:57:00)

Gerry was early and heavy on both Creature and Nacho, and dead set against Sly. Any voting pattern reasons you have to TR me apply to him.

[Pine]

Plus, I just plain don't see anything he's done as scummy. Like, at all.

[Pine]

Honestly, not in depth. Okay, let me rephrase this. I buy him hard bussing one scumbud out the gate, but not two, especially if one of them is the encryptor.

The McMenno pass for D1 was fine for a day or so, but he's done jack all the entire game, so for me the lynch list is likely {Maria, McMenno}

[Pine]

Noice.

[Pine]

Votecount 5.1

I have been putting off laundry for so long but today is the day

Pine

(2): McMenno, Zachstralkita

Zachstralkita

(2): Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado

drealmerz7

(1): MariaR

Not Voting

(4): drealmerz7, Pine, gerryoat, Andrius

9 players, 5 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-03-06 15:41:00)

Votecount 5.2 - FINAL

Zachstralkita

(5 - LYNCH): Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado, Pine, MariaR, gerryoat

Pine

(2): McMenno, Zachstralkita

Not Voting

(2): drealmerz7, Andrius

Andy I'm looking at D4's VCs, and they don't look good for Maria. Jumps on Drealmerz, who looked like the heir apparent to the lynch wagon, then jumps onto the easy Zach wagon.

[Pine]

PINE
I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO LYNCH MARIA
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR TOWN/TOWN GAME TOGETHER AFTER THE HEARTBREAK

DEAL WITH IT

THIS IS

OUR

TOWN-TOWN GAME

[Pine]

Maria was also off all the scum lynches (iirc) and on the mislynches

[Pine]

Yeah, she was off Nos and on Zach.

Most damning, she was on Drealmerz with Nos.

I'm prepared to call Drealmerz Town now.

[Pine]

1. Desperado

2. drealmerz7

4. Pine

6. MariaR

11. McMenno

13. gerryoat

17. Andrius

Where I'm at.

[Pine]

You and Desp are yellow because you were TRs that I haven't reconfirmed since reset.

[Pine]

The first is a transliteration of the audible phrase, the second a portmanteau of the written phrase. Neither is technically correct, so as a colloquial phrase, either is fine.

I have not been keeping up with the boozing.

[Pine]

Actually, I tend to get wordier when I drink. My vocabulary is extensive enough that I tend to use a less sophisticated lexicon as a matter of course, because explaining what I meant is less efficient than using less-efficient words. Drinking tends to break that barrier down, and I start using the really fancy but really specific words. The give-away for me is grammar; I stop remembering to hyphenate 'less-efficient' when it is used as a modifying adjective while keeping it unhyphenated when used as part of a standard phrase.

[Pine]

SO hit me up with your reasoning, Andy. You've let me do most of the real talking.

[Pine]

YOU TALKED YOURSELF OUT OF A NOS SUSPICION

MUST BE SCUM

VOTE: ANDY

[Pine]

UNVOTE:

jk jk

I really think we lynch Maria and McMenno for the win here. If we're still kicking around then, we figure out where we went wrong.

[Pine]

Arright. I'm more tired than I thought, and I'm still not at the bottom of this first glass.

[Pine]

I've been gamesolving, scrub.

[Pine]

...Father Pine, Cleric of Righteousness and Savior of Paladins

[Pine]

[Pine]

I think I'm headed to bed. Maybe you can continue wine night with Desp? I'd really like a little more to sort both of you, and direct chatting between you would help.

[Pine]

Holy fuck I'm really sr? I would never try to fake this fruit vender thing as scum first of all you really think I dumbtold Frog's weak cop bs? YOU THINK I KILLED THE PERSON THAT HAD A TR ON ME SINCE DAY 1? Please. I'd have killed Pine most likely
Yall wanna ml me go ahead

Why not? It's what I'd do.

[Pine]

VOTE: Maria

I'm ready.

[Pine]

I'm actually a full bomb.

[Pine]

Also you've definitely set a trend for yourself where you will lie as town for our betterment.
In a different way than Zach did because claiming scum as town is just anti-town.
You doing your thing in STRAHD was for our benefit even if you lied out your butt regarding the communes.

I somewhat expect to see you flip not Bomb and actually be something else completely bonkers.
Or just VT.

Yeah, I've never lied so hard as I did in Strahd, maybe not even as scum. I've made some ballsy claims as scum in my time, but I was deploying anti-scum WIFOM like it was my job in that game.

[Pine]

[Pine]

If Maria is flipping Town here, like her last post suggests, I feel a little bad about it.

Maria, who should we be lynching?

[Pine]

We'll get this for you Maria. We've got plenty of wiggle room here.

[Pine]

1. Desperado
2. drealmerz7
4. Pine
6. MariaR
11. McMenno
13. gerryoat
17. Andrius

These are alive. ML Maria gives us 6. NK makes 5. ML#2 makes 4. NK makes 3. LYLO gives us one more shot.

We get two more shots after this.

[Pine]

Assuming {Desp, Andy, Pine} are the NK list, as scum have a shot at lynching anyone else. I hope they try to kill me, that'd end the game right there.

[Pine]

Right. Two shots left in a rapidly narrowing pool. There's wiggle room there.

[Pine]

Looooooong twilight

[Pine]

Hey Maria, give us a definite answer on your flip, just to avoid any suspense.

[Pine]

We aren't lynching Andy today. Shut up, Drealmerz. I like you as my Leper in Darkest Dungeon, but ugh, not in this game.

We're doing this:

VOTE: McMenno

[Pine]

I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm being pocketed.

UNVOTE:

[Pine]

Yeah, I'm being pocketed...I think it can't be McMenno. He's who I'm being left alive to ML.

That leads me to question my TRs on Desp and Andy.

[Pine]

Yeah, I'm being pocketed...I think it can't be McMenno. He's who I'm being left alive to ML.

That leads me to question my TRs on Desp and Andy.

this doesn't make sense considering menno only recently popped in to your lynch list yesterday

He's been in it for a while, actually.

[Pine]

Argh.

My gut says Andy is the one pocketing me.

But my heart wants it to be anyone else.

[Pine]

Wait, no, we know that SAD was shot N3 because he confirmed it.

this almost sounds like it was meant for scum PT

And who would he have been talking to?

Yeah, I'm coming back around to Drealmerz. I think Andy's genuinely Town, McMenno seems like the ML target, and I don't think it's Desp.

Plus, the ANGRY PASSION that turned me away from a Drealmerz lynch back when disappeared shortly thereafter, and the disingenuous provocations (like the quoted) have made a resurgence.

VOTE: Drealmerz

Plus the whole unexplainable vig shot thing skeeves me out.

[Pine]

@ Pine who else is even saying they want to lynch Menno??? I do not understand your stance on him today at all

He seems to me to be the lowest-hanging fruit. I'm hardly the only one who wanted to lynch him yesterday. Dunno. Maybe it's just my particularly paranoid perspective right now.

Both of them bussing the shit out of all 3 of their teammates would be some next level shit, especially considering Nos didn't happen until after my VCA. Pine was all over Dreal that day iirc

Are you fucking kidding me. I was the first voice against Nos.

So.... Pine/Mcmenno???????

what is this question

I'm still stuck on the possibility of 5 scum and if that's the case it's pine and Mcmenno I think

Not possible in a 17-player. Even if they did have five members, they'd all be goons, and they weren't.

Uggggh, I so want to suspect Desp for the weird scummy logic he's using, but that doesn't make sense at this stage from scum. Town backed into a corner does that crap, scum either tries to tunnel in on objective-based mislynching or will lynch anything that moves. Only Town does this paranoid moonlogic crap.

Unvote

Pine I need you to be a little more explicit about your behavior re: Menno.

I've been quite transparent. I had been TRing McMenno all game, and then in the post-Zach paranoia I started re-evaluating all of my TRs. McMenno has been a fucking useless lump all game, and I don't know his meta on bussing, so I got paranoid about him. I've been trying to figure out why I haven't been killed, and it has to be because my reads aren't threatening. But now I'm trying to settle my paranoia, firmed up my TR on Andy, and I'm not seeing McMenno bussing his entire team. See above regarding you. Brings me back to Drealmerz.

[Pine]

And guys.

Shut the fuck up about me.

I don't bus.

Ever.

Fucking ever.

It's like, the only thing I bothered to put into my wiki.

Imagine I were scum, and I didn't bus this game. The game would have been over like three days ago.

[Pine]

My claim has been spread across many posts.

I am EP's Sleep Schedule, Hated 2-shot Bomb.

[Pine]

Uh, and that's something else we need to be careful about. The Hated mod doesn't apply in LYLO, but it would nail me today with only two votes.

[Pine]

I dropped a metric shit-ton of hints all through the game, starting from my first posts. I'll ISO-trawl myself for you, but I haven't been coy. I full-claimed in the Zach lynch twilight when I thought the game was over, didn't mention the word 'bomb' before that because I was trying to bait the kill and take one of them with me.

[Pine]

One of you, sorry.

[Pine]

I'm a miller.

VOTE: Desperado

Surely, that makes you smile Andrius.

Vote: Desperado

Oh shit you're right.
PINE, CREATURE, GET OVER HERE

Sounds legit

VOTE: Desperado

Also,

Public Service Announcement: I have the Hated modifier. It takes one less vote to lynch me, except in MYLO or LYLO

Also,

addendum to partial claim: I have an unusual role, one I am familiar with, but I don't recall ever seeing actually used before.

Hated is a modifier to it. So if you see me claiming Doctor or Jailkeeper or even something obscure like Motion Detector that I've played with before, lynch me. It's *possible* I saw it in a game many years ago, but definitely nothing recent.

Also, I absolutely

love

my role, and will likely use it in a future modded setup.

Also, addendum to partial claim: I have an unusual role, one I am familiar with, but I don't recall ever seeing actually used before. Hated is a modifier to it. So if you see me claiming Doctor or Jailkeeper or even something obscure like Motion Detector that I've played with before, lynch me.

Lynch this with fire.

Nah. Par for the course as far as Pine's concerned.
Pine's town Sly's town man this game's shaping up to be great.

Now all we need is Toogeloo Boogeloo to get in here and we get to have a real party.

Actually, this kind of derp partial claiming is pretty weird for me. I just happen to have had weird roles in all three games we've played together (afaik).

Hold up. Before the flavor train leaves the station, my flavor is also an obstacle to getting the laundry done, and I'm Town. EP actually tells me to fuck myself in my role PM. So let's not rush to a conclusion here.

I am considering the utility of a mass flavorclaim here. I would like to invite discussion on the topic. I see pros and cons.

this setup sounds weird.

QFT.

I mean, my role is EP's sleep schedule, ffs.

I want to be the crotch vote

Is it weird that the dog avatar is where the pussy would be?

I would like it pointed out that McMenno is actually in the butthole position.

I, however, and the veiny, pulsating, rock-hard raging murdercock of the Creature wagon.

This isn't about my roleclaim, it's just something I wanted to relive. It was fun to make. My paint skills aren't awesome.

Before this wagon picks up steam, I feel compelled to remind people that I have the Hated modifier

I again remind everyone, I have the Hated modifier. Let's not have an accidental lolhammer

You've been alerted three times now. I expect every Townie to prosecute any "oops I meant to put him at L-1 and he died!"

Nah

don't you have some batshit role that's never even been done before?

the existence of the goon with all of the claims that have happened/been softed suggests to me that it was added later

unless you think the other 3 scum are complete gods

My role has been done before, I just haven't seen it used, or at least not in a long time. For the record, I quite like my role, and it's a doozy.

Reviewers lately are skewing towards Townsided.

I think that there are a healthy amount of scum PRs, and there is at least one negative utility Town role (Hated) to balance it. At least two, if Desperado's Miller claim is legit.

[Pine]

So why would scum kill you after claiming bomb again?

Because I claimed expired 2-shot after Zach was lynched.

that's not what he said he was doing...

but ummm, pine, I don't see you trying to bait any kill ever

Claiming all over the thread that I had an awesome role is what baiting the kill looks like.

and if you're a bomb you haven't been playing like one at all

Really? How's a bomb supposed to behave? They're so rare, I've never actually seen one in play, and couldn't find much advice beyond "try to bait the kill". It's not like I could start a MD thread on it.

[Pine]

What's pissing me off is that I've not been subtle about this, and at least one of you is being super derpTown right now.

That list was just from the first half of my ISO, btw. I'll skip ahead to the Zach lynch now.

[Pine]

Do you guys have any tips for me to improve my scum game because you saw through it so easily

Stay engaged. Don't try to lead Town (though accept the role if it is thrust upon you) but get in the mix and work with and against people. Your problem here, what tipped me off about you was that your reads were just so milquetoast. There wasn't anything special about them, anything risky or unpopular. Seek to form alliances, but avoid overt buddying until you get a 'mutual TR' vibe going. Remember how I was with Camn in Hunger Games? I slow played that relationship, going out on a limb early on to hard TR her when it wasn't popular and waited for her to come to me. Stick to your guns, take hard positions, but justify them. Also don't be afraid to read the room and find a justification to realign yourself.

Above all else, DO WHAT YOU'D DO AS TOWN. Someone does something scummy, call them on it. Doesn't matter if it's your buddy, doesn't matter if it's someone TRing you, whatever. Someone becomes super obvTown, call them on that too. This is part of what tripped you up here - I drove on three scum lynches. There was no FUCKING WAY I was scum, especially as I have a meta of being anti-bus. You might have weaseled out of getting lynched today, but doubling down on me screwed you. You should have gone for Drealmerz, he was the weak link here (<3 you bb Drealz I was wrong and your actions proved it...my meta on you is not as good as I thought).

====

I was a 2-shot Bomb. I was trying to bait the kill and was really hoping to catch the fourth scum with my second use last night.

Actually, this was the only relevant post from the Zach lynch, I said it all in one.

[Pine]

Yeah, we are not rehashing my early D1 setup spec, nor are we debating how you would have played the role. Kindly fuck off about those things. I made the decisions I did, and was instrumental in three scum lynches. So go fuck yourself. I *DO NOT DO THAT* as scum.

Lynching scum and softclaiming a strong power-role is ALL I should need to do to bait the kill. Plus, I was only 2-shot, so I had to be strategic about it. If I were full-shot, I'd have claimed full Doc and said 'come at me bro,' but I wasn't.

[Pine]

It was sarcastic, dipshit. My point was that there is no accepted meta for it, so I was making it up as I went. So don't come at me like I didn't play it right, you weren't in my shoes.

Plus you're probably scum, so screw off double.

[Pine]

I think we've seen plenty. Encryptor, Rolecop, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a third. Why are you fixating on an early-D1 offhand setup spec comment?

[Pine]

No, what reeks is you trying to pin me to speculation I made early D1 seven days in. I was

guessing

, jackass.

This absolutely stinks of a question where you'd jump all over whatever answer I gave.

[Pine]

Yeah, we are not rehashing my early D1 setup spec, nor are we debating how you would have played the role. Kindly fuck off about those things. I made the decisions I did, and was instrumental in three scum lynches. So go fuck yourself. I *DO NOT DO THAT* as scum.

Lynching scum and softclaiming a strong power-role is ALL I should need to do to bait the kill. Plus, I was only 2-shot, so I had to be strategic about it. If I were full-shot, I'd have claimed full Doc and said 'come at me bro,' but I wasn't.

you and i and everyone else knows that "i never bus as scum" is meta that by definition must be subverted eventually

there's no reason to think this isn't that game

No, it does not necessitate subversion. I do not think bussing is a good idea. Every scumbuddy you bus is another Townie you have to mislynch, and that much longer you need to make no mistakes. It's also not something that can really hurt me as scum, because as Town, I am often wrong. Hell, this game where I nailed half the scumteam right out the gate is an outlier, not a representative sampling of my Towngame. I flat-out think that bussing is a BAD strategy. Not a not-good strategy, a BAD one. This isn't likely to change any time soon. The small amount of Towncred isn't worth it. How much did it help Nacho? Not too fucking much. Maybe it helped him survive D2, but he still got caught.

Okay, granted, I could see some weird-mechanics small game where it becomes a good idea, but the above logic is ESPECIALLY true in large games.

Further, the minute I subvert my ironclad meta, it is no longer ironclad meta that I can rely on.

You'd think holding the same position unflinchingly for six years would get you some credit on a site, but I guess not.

[Pine]

When you stick to a pattern of behavior for six years, it's pretty ironclad. I didn't suddenly decide to violently break with my scum philosophy.

[Pine]

also pine why did you lie about nos?

you definitely were pushing dreal hard and only switched to nos after my VCA and after nos followed you on dreal

The fuck? I didn't lie about him. I'm assuming you're talking about the extensive VCA you did in 6025, so let's go back over the record...

[Pine]

Spoiler: Pine on Nos before 6025

Maria, though I'm getting cold feet about my read on her. My PoE points to Nos or possibly Andy as the alternative (Plz don't be scum Paladin Andy you break my heart )

Sly can we chat?

What do you think of [Nacho, Desp]?
Because I'm second-guessing myself a bit and don't like it.

Sly can we chat?

What do you think of [Nacho, Desp]?
Because I'm second-guessing myself a bit and don't like it.

I got Desp as town.

I was curious as to your case on Nacho.

I also have Desp as Town, with the reservation that if Nacho flips Town, some of the suspicion moves to Desp. A lot of the day-end shenanigans with Creature were quirky behavior from both of them, but I was TRing Desp and SRing Nacho before it, so I stuck with my gut.

Votecount 1.26 - FINAL

Creature

(9 - LYNCH): McMenno, gerryoat, Pine, Andrius, Nachomamma8, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Tammy, Fro99er

, Desperado

SlySly

(4): drealmerz7, Zachstralkita, Nosferatu, MariaR

gerryoat

(2):

Toogeloo

, SlySly

Desperado

(1): Firebringer

Zachstralkita

(1): Creature

Not Voting

(0):
17 players, 9 majority.

So I look at this. Bolded is dead town or MASONS.

There's got to be scum off the main wagon not doing anything unless we're thinking that THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM bussed Creature which would be ballsy since that's 3-4 people chilling on THE wagon.
Literally everyone on your (Sly) wagon could be scum except Maria.
drealmerz is doing some low-impact crap here that's basically opposite of everything I know him for - even if he disagrees ONLY on game theory or is scumreading me despite THE WORLD saying no (Strahd) he's going to be screaming his lungs out regardless. I think he has a decent chance to be scum.
Zach is a scumread for everything I've said before.
Nos is another low-impact says a few good things and disappears.

Toog is a mason. You're town.

Fire is leaning town but I would be 0% surprised if he were scum. I've basically based this entire read on his attitude. The I DONT APOLOGIZE was basically what he said to me when we were talking about being force-replaced and I was like "yeah no I was an ass" and he was like I DONT APOLOGIZE. So I think he's likely town.

The distractability away from the Creature wagon only really makes sense if scum were mostly trying to stay off it until the end. The "Oh fine" attitude of Nacho deciding he didn't have a choice but to bus is a key point in the case against him.

Same, re: Desp.

I know.
And then I started thinking about why Nacho busses Creature and commits suicide as scum.
That would actually be moonbeams.
Like, some things are NAI for him. Defusing the Tammy/Andrius was just a NACHO AS A PERSON move so I don't see that either way.

I'm having trouble because his heart isn't here but he's also not pretending it is.

Look how different these are...

Creature (9 - LYNCH): McMenno, gerryoat, Pine, Andrius, Nachomamma8, Ser Arthur Dayne, Tammy, Fro99er, Desperado

SlySly (6): Toogeloo, Nosferatu, drealmerz7, Ser Arthur Dayne, Firebringer, Zachstralkita

Scum be on my wagon.

drealmerz, poooosssssibly Nos.

Hmm scumteam of Nacho/Dreamz/Andrius?

Close. I find Nacho/Drealmerz/{Maria or Nos} more likely.

why are you so insistant that I'm scum? it's silly

I tracked you to Tammy last night.

For reals? That would be super.

Zach you are either scum trying to detract or misguided town.

Way to pick the only two alignments I could be, nice detective work


do you really have a guilty

yes.

For reals?

Dude, seriously, if I pegged Creature/Nacho/Drealmerz on D1 this goes into my personal history books as my best Towngame ever.

VOTE: Nacho

Drealmerz tomorrow no question.

Choo choo!

It is, actually. Your scumgame is to take a backseat, let Town destroy itself, and then when it matters, you step in and make a strong push.

The problem isn't that your scumgame is distinct, it's that it doesn't look like your Towngame. You tend to rage and go nuts at scum suspects when you're Town, and you tend to be like a dog with a bone, right or not. The weakness of your scumgame is that you have difficulty manufacturing the same outrage and passion.

This is your scumgame.

Don't sweat it. You're still relatively new to the site. We can work on it if you'd like. You'd be fun to hydra with.

PEdit: Yeah, Andy, that's the way I've been slowly leaning the last day phase or so. D1/early D2 I had Maria, but she's looking more confused and gamesolve-y lately. This is also directly in line with what I saw from Nos's scumgame in NY199, but that's my only prior experience with him, so it isn't super confident.

I'm reading, drealmerz, I just didn't find what you had to say at all convincing.

My wife does this. If I disagree on something, she seems to think she didn't explain herself well enough the first time, and starts over. Often repeatedly.

Drealmerz. I perceive you to be scum. Deal with it. Don't get butt hurt. If you're Town, prove it with your actions. You've been about as helpful as tits on a bull this game.

PEdit: Agreed, Fire and Gerry all Town due to how the first three lynches went down.

I'm down for a Nos lynch tomorrow.

Nos's sudden enthusiasm against drealmerz makes me really uncomfortable.

VOTE: Nosferatu

I'd like to see this flip.

McMenno more likely, but still not probable. I don't like how he's stayed in the shadows, though.

Vote Nos with me. That's the common ground we can agree on.

Yeah but the old one was like ten hours ago. I'm not buying the shifting reads that quickly.

I just ISOed EP for vote counts. I agree that simply existing on the right wagons means little, but position on those wagons does.

McMenno was among the very first on Creature D1, preceded only by Zach, who wandered off soon after for other votes. He was even the only vote on Creature for a while, and never moved off.
McMenno was among the first on Nacho D2, and stayed consistent on Nacho all day until hammer.
McMenno went right back onto Nacho D3, and rode it all the way to a second scumlynch.

So a McMenno SR proposes that McMenno has done NOTHING but bus. I don't buy that.

Need to ISO Zach. My TR of him is stale, and I'm concerned he's coasting. Noticed that early vote on Creature and moving off of it. Need to see if that was just an RVS vote or whether it looks like distancing.

Present SRs are drealmerz and Nos, investigating SAD and Zach. McMenno investigation concludes Town. Maria investigation concludes Town.

@Bloc: I propose that Nos is the lynch for today. I'm not 100% on him, but my gut says go for it. Besides, we seem not to have a vig and there's no fucking way he should get to LYLO.

PEdit: lol, drealmerz just tripping over himself to discredit anyone now. Dude, the vote isn't even on you right now. We're on Nos.
PEdit2: Touché, Paladin Bro

He doesn't give a fuck about [expending effort] when it's not toward something he's lynched, which is bad if he's wrong on a read

I haven't seen scum drealmerz.. if I'm not mistaken he's been town in all the games I've completed with him and he's acted exactly like the reasons he is being lynched for

It's not scum behavior imo

I can't take your posts seriously anymore. You just derail every wagon and the one wagon where you pushed (slysly) was town.

"Trust me dreamz is 100% town" "I haven't ever seen him as scum but trust me!".

See, this is why I'm beginning to suspect Zach. It wasn't the VCA thing, that just reminded me that Zach was in the game and I hadn't seriously considered him in a while.

A quick skim of Zach's ISO supports this suspicion, as he seems to be pushing pretty much any wagon that moves except the ones that are productive. He's gone after Fro99er, Sly, Fire, Andy, McMenno, and now me. That's like, a full Town roster of votes, except his RVS vote on Creature. He's been keeping to himself, but suddenly has out-of-nowhere case on me as soon as I express doubts about him? Nahhhhh.

{Nos, drealmerz, Zach} take it to the bank.

Unless I'm wrong. I am often wrong.

PEdit: I am tentatively interested in that voting bloc. I'm not 100% on everyone in it, but I'm at least 75% on all of them.

@Bloc: I propose that Nos is the lynch for today. I'm not 100% on him, but my gut says go for it.

Besides, we seem not to have a vig and there's no fucking way he should get to LYLO.

PEdit: lol, drealmerz just tripping over himself to discredit anyone now. Dude, the vote isn't even on you right now. We're on Nos.
PEdit2: Touché, Paladin Bro

SAD said he got lost a shot on his BP and there's no evidence of an SK, pretty sure that's a vig?

Forgot about that. More likely a 1-shot power? Good point.

We should just do points if everyone in the bloc ranks those 5.

8 points for #1
5 points for #2
3 points for #3
2 points for #4
0 points for #5

And everyone agrees to vote the one with the highest points.

This idea has some merit, but I won't be approving or participating in the lynch of McMenno or Gerry, and I don't care how many points they get.

I'm starting to have cold feet about Drealmerz. My entire case is built on him faking outrage as scum and real raging as Town. This is feeling more real the more I consider it.

I'd really prefer Nos today.

VOTE: Nosferatu

Dropped into a separate post and spoilered because there's just so much of it. Shit, Desp, some of that was even directed at YOU by NAME. So I don't get your whole schtick about me not leading the lynch on Nos, we were going full bore on Drealmerz and I got cold feet, pulled it off him and pushed Nos. So the narrative of Pine!scum pulling off an easy Town!Drealmerz lynch and onto a scumlynch of Nos when I've already got the credit of two scumlynches under my belt is just ludicrous.

[Pine]

Votecount 2.14 - FINAL

SlySly

(8 - LYNCH): Toogeloo, Nosferatu, drealmerz7, Firebringer, Zachstralkita, MariaR, Ser Arthur Dayne, McMenno

drealmerz7

(3): Andrius, Pine, SlySly

Nachomamma8

(1): gerryoat

Pine

(2): Nachomamma8, Desperado

Not Voting

(1): Tammy

But really tho if we just lynch the sly wagon one by one the game will end I'm pretty sure

unvote
Vote: nosferatu

15 players, 8 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-02-17 19:57:00)

wow that quote failed completely

But really tho if we just lynch the sly wagon one by one the game will end I'm pretty sure

vote: nosferatu

Unless you're talking about this "VCA," in which case go fuck yourself. 3/4 of the above still applies, and you can't really call "hurr, let's lynch off this one wagon" VCA.

[Pine]

I do not think bussing is a good idea...

I don't buy this paragraph at all. I'm sure you've seen busing be advantageous and be a good idea. Numerous times.

Busing is agreat idea, when it is a great idea. Generalizing like this is bad.

No. I haven't seen it be a good idea nearly as often as I've seen it be a bad idea. The last time I engaged in bussing was six years ago in NY 130, and that was because the person in question was an atrocious VI who was a detriment to our team and later got banned. That's it. I've seen bussing backfire MANY times, and have not a single time regretted the practice of declining to bus.

Look, we can discuss this post-game, even take it to MD, but I feel my meta is incredibly well-established, to the point where if you're ever going to trust someone's meta on something it's mine on this.

Desp at this point I don't even know what you're talking about. I Ctrl+F'd your ISO for mentions of Nos and that's what I got. Can we just let it be that we arrived at Nos=scum realizations independently and when there were more viable lynches on the table?

[Pine]

Okay, so let's lynch drealmerz.

[Pine]

Yeah, and I'd rather not lynch either of those. Drealmerz makes me happier

[Pine]

Drealmerz, please fullclaim now.

I know you did some time in the past, but you are me do it. Please also quote any crumbs you made and justify shooting SAD

[Pine]

What modifiers do you have, Drealmerz?

[Pine]

What modifiers do you have, Drealmerz?

you mean my delayed modifier? just that...

Yeah, this was a trap. If you were the detergent, you'd have the clean machine modifier.

[Pine]

pine, what's your flavor? are you the bleach?

Dude, you literally asked me about this a couple of days ago, and I have reclaimed a couple of times this day phase, on top of quoting the piles of places where I've been consistent about it.

I am "My Sleep Schedule." EP has insomnia, and a fucked up sleep schedule, and that makes it hard to get shit done due to unreliability. I was allowed to "stay awake" twice in the game, and anyone that tries to kill me when awake dies too.

[Pine]

Well, you made a lot of assumptions, first among them that the scumteam connected all the dots you did. I don't agree with the premise.

PEdit: Really? I have two easily justifiable wagons that both sides are begging me to break the tie on, and you think I'm tunneling in on my personal conviction because...?

[Pine]

No, you're just making shit up. I could justify either, no problem, but I don't think they're scum. Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

[Pine]

No. Now go away,mor I shall taunt you a second time.

Srsly I'm going to bed.

[Pine]

Yeah...I think it has to be Andrius. No one's hammered McMenno when there's lots of easy, free excuse to do so. He's not actively pushing someone else, either, as L-1 scum would. Andy is, though. He also keeps invoking "Pine would never, we're bros" a bit too much, as if it's a talisman to ward me off. Drealmerz I'm still not comfortable with, but the last few pages there have been a few too many dumbtells, like his paranoia about two remaining scum (which is preposterous). He's a little too cracked to be scum, and what he's pursuing just isn't attainable.

What the hell. Dovie'andi se tovya sagain. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

VOTE: Andrius

[Pine]

Sorry, Paladin bro.

[Pine]

Shit

[Pine]

I'm sorry Andy, I lost the faith. We wouldn't have been allowed to see endgame together anyway.

[Pine]

Yeah, I think I just lost the game for us. Menno or Desp will kill the other and Dreal will dumbvote me then scum will quickhammer.

Sorry.

[Pine]

why didn't we just lynch menno D7 again???????????

Sorryyyyy

I can only be held responsible for nailing 3/4 of the scumteam, okay?

And absolutely pre-in for Laundry Mafia Mafia

[Pine]

Tip of the hat to McMenno. This is certainly one of the best-executed uses of classic bussing scumtactics I've seen. While I stand by my personal opinion on bussing, this is how you do it right. You also correctly recognized that, if you just let us go, we'd destroy ourselves. There's an art to being constantly suspected, but never making it to the top of the list, and you nailed it.

@Rest of the scumteam: You all played well. Creature did a good job leveraging divisiveness in Town to push towards deadline, Nacho I don't think I'd have caught if I didn't have a bunch of experience with him, and Nos blended really well with the background.